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Wow, it's about time, they were brain dead to leave it out on the earlier models...maybe they were trying to make the car lighter by eliminating it... :D
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Funny that you guys think Nissan will retroactively install oil coolers on 3 years of previously produced cars. It's not like the 2009 models are all sitting in the junk yard. I bet Nissan hasn't had a single repair expense related to the lack of oil coolers (you get limp mode, not a damaged motor). Just a multitude of complaints.
I would agree that the factory installed cooler will be sub-optimal for track work. If they install a 25row oil cooler or bigger, people won't get their engine to operating temp in colder climates...thermostatic plates don't even help with this. |
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Track guys like to run 25+ row, but if you run this on the street you'll have to fab some sort of partial cover for colder months so you can get your oil temps up to safe operating ranges. |
You know what's sad, is that a well known shop on here posted a picture on fb of an oil cooler install. When I asked what they will do for the winter months and if they are making a shroud they said the thermo plate takes care of this issue. Now we all know it doesn't, kind of upset me hearing it from them, I know they know better.
Nissan will not retroactively install oil coolers, and I doubt if they do so in the future it will be a 19 row or more. If it was going to happen, it would have happened by now. They probably knew about the issue and to prevent any engine damage/warranty issues they programmed limp mode. Just go buy an oil cooler people, its not the end of the world, though the end may come long before Nissan gives you an oil cooler worth a damn. |
Just curious...if Nissan comes out with a 400Z in the future, are y'all going to demand the bigger engine as a free retrofit? I mean, yours won't have one and all. :rolleyes:
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I think as long as your not flogging on the engine within those 10 miles, it should be fine.
I would venture to guess it's not gonna be anywhere close to a 25 row cooler. Nissan won't do any retroactive modifications for those of us who have our Z's already, but I do hope we don't get burned for warranty work because we have one installed. If I were to install that very same Nissan branded oil cooler for example, I hope Nissan and the dealership sees it as an approved add-on/accessory that doesn't affect the drivetrain warranty. Yes, they should have thought of it before, and they should do a retroactive for us simply because it's not an upgrade or option that should have been left out, especially for a sports car with a known issue....and they did know this! Otherwise, why have built in countermeasure in the limp mode protocol and install one in the upcoming model. They should help us out....doesn't mean they will, but they def should. Having exprerience limp mode, it does pose a possible danger while driving. Imagine suddenly not being able to rev past 3k rpm's while in stop and go traffic... then the traffic clears and everyone around you is doing 60mph. This happened to me before I knew of the limp mode issue and I can honestly say it was a nerve racking experience. Obviously not as dangerous as a stuck throttle or not having brakes, but there is an element of danger and the possiblity of a crash. I say we post our concerns on the Nissan Facebook page and let Nissan know we as a community want this done retroactively. We're a big enough community to have some say in this don't you think. |
I do not expect an oil cooler leak or explosion, but if one were to occur I would like to think Nissan would honor their warranty since I had it all done at the dealership.
I know I am a dreamer but if I were on the jury it would be this way. If you built the velcro oil cooler I would not expect the same verdict. |
I have a few questions. Not picking bones with anyone, just want to understand this a little better.
1. Didn't Nissan implement the "limp mode" because they switched to a new "green" bearing material in our engines? I thought I read it someplace and it's possible the limp mode was created as a result of that (material specifications), nothing more. 2. Manufacturing tolerances (especially these days) should be tight enough where variances should not cause engines to operate vastly different from one another. While break-in procedures can vary widely, could that really cause an alteration of the engine's ability to run at normal temperatures? 3. In the case of the owner who has owned both an '09 and '11 model. I'm curious if the '11 model is running higher oil temps because the engine is still fairly new. Has anyone experienced reduced oil temperatures after ~25k miles of usage? Yesterday I drove from San Jose to San Francisco (about 50 miles) on the freeway in moderate temps and light traffic. My speed was set at 68mph (lots of LEOs around so used cruise control) and I was running pretty steady at 210 degrees the entire time. To me that seems fairly reasonable, however if I get on the car hard it doesn't take long to get up to 240-250 degrees. I've never pushed it over 260 degrees before. |
Concerning the warranty issue. If you install your own oil cooler and you do a bad install leading to something like an oil leak or ripped line then you are probably on your own for the warranty unless installed by Nissan. However, short of that you should be fine. I can't think of any way Nissan can come back and say that you're install of an oil cooler led to the failure unless you failed to put in the proper amount of oil or did something along the lines of the scenarios I just mentioned. Us 2009's are going to be losing the warranty soon :(
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We are on the same page. I bought mine in 2010 and then got extended warranty on first year model, so my intrest here continues until 2018. |
Thus far I've had almost no warranty issues other than an airbag sensor going bad leading to a flashing red light.
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i just went to dealership to get my 09 z refinance and maybe trade it in for 2012 model,,i asked him if oil cooler come in as standard feature and he said no addition feature for 2012 model?? so i dont know what to believe,,even nissan website didnt mention abt oil cooler,,
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It's official from Nissan. Good news for me, we'll see if nissan does the right thing for previous model 370z owners too. |
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There seems to be a lot of variation in the temperatures experienced by owners which makes me think that the accuracy of the OEM oil temperature gauge is suspect. If the car didn't have an oil temperature gauge from the factory, we wouldn't be talking about this as much. As far as the track guys are concerned, they would just install one along with their oil cooler. Quote:
I could just be talking out my butt here, but I'm pretty sure that some risk of major mechanical failure or a safety hazard has to threaten a large number of cars in order for there to be a recall. It took several fatal accidents and a huge public outcry to trigger a recall on Firestone tyre equipped Ford Explorers. Nobody is dying from limp mode and a few guys flogging their cars to the point that the computer implements a safety measure to protect the engine isn't going to trigger a recall. At the end of the Firestone/Ford Explorer tragedies, it was determined that user error (improper inflation) was partially responsible for the tyre failures that caused deaths. I'm pretty sure that pushing the car to limp mode would be considered the result of improper use of the car by the manufacturer and NHSTA despite what we as enthusiasts think is the "proper" way to use a 370Z. :driving: As enthusiasts, the members of this forum represent a small number of the owners of the 370Zs sold, and amongst the membership, there's an even smaller number of people with oil temperature issues. I don't think it's a big enough issue amongst owners to warrant a recall. On the other hand, I could see how throwing an oil cooler on the current year's car so that the magazine writers start publishing glowing reviews about the 370Z would be a worthwhile investment in salvaging low sales figures or even boosting interest in the car. |
Fast Intentions Long Tube Headers + Full Meisterschaft exhaust = solution to cabin noise
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I was sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic in 70 degree weather last week and my oil hit 240. That's pretty ridiculous IMHO. |
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Edit: oh yeah. Even with no water in the radiator, it never overheated. |
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i ve been driving my car pretty rough so buy new z again and this time i actually wanna take good care of it haha |
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newer Z is always best!
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^^ Yes it is, to me anyways but I joke, I don't think ill trade in my baby anytime soon, plus I don't seem to have any issues with my oil temps, and I don't track my car, so im happy with my 2011 :tup:
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FWIW, their reply to my email on the matter is below. I thought no harm in asking for a recall or tsb -- after all they can just say "no".
Anywho... October 12, 2011 File # 7283034 Thank you for taking the time to personally contact us. After reviewing your comments, we will need to do some further research to be able to adequately address your issue. Please allow us an additional five to seven days to meet with the appropriate experts at Nissan and we will have a detailed response back to you within that time frame. If we can be of additional assistance in the meantime, please contact us at 1-800-647-7261. At Nissan, we are committed to a high level of customer service. Sincerely, Nissan North America Karina Eraldo Consumer Affairs Representative Nissan Consumer Affairs From: nnaconsumeraffairs@nissan-usa.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 05:32 AM To: NNA Consumer Affairs Subject: Nissan Products comments : I understand that the 2012 370Z models will be equipped with oil coolers standard. That's great for new customers, as this motor has a persistent problem with running at higher than ideal oil temps, even in normal driving conditions. Nissan needs to make the oil cooler available to owners who bought their car 2009-2011 (at minimum to those who are still under their drivetrain warranty). The oil cooler should be offered either as part of a recall or TSB, with the parts and labor either waived or greatly discounted, and protected under the customer�s remaining drivetrain warranty. You will be hearing similar suggestions from thousands of owners -- take this seriously and do what is right for your loyal customers. |
Update.. 10/12
Spoke to Nissan Corporate for over 40 minutes on the phone regarding the 2012 370Z and the fact it has a factory installed oil cooler. Nissan Corp. will be speaking to technical folks in USA and JP regarding possible solutions for 2009 - 2011 owners who are interested in getting a OEM NissanMotorSport or NISMO oil cooler installed by the dealer and getting it warrantied. Granted they feel the engine has fault protection mechanisms in place to not cause engine problems, however, the fact the 2012 has it as a 'default OEM cooler' part tells me Nissan realized it should have been there in the first place. I conveyed this to the Nissan rep. Currently owners can get an oil cooler installed but no warranty will be provided warranty. Based on my conversation, the Nissan rep was helpful and understood the concern current owners can have, and will be getting back to me next week. Will keep you posted. |
what about those of us who already put an aftermarket cooler at our expense? do we get a refund? :stirthepot:
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-Base model Z's will ship with an oil-to-water cooler, as previously speculated (can't remember who said that?) -sport package models will be available with 19 row coolers standard, and a 34 row updgrade available. No pricing is confirmed yet, but they mentioned the upgrade should be under $500. Sport package cost will most likely be raised as well, though it is not known for sure yet that it will be -Increased sound deadening material. They won't advertise it substantially, but they attempted to quiet down the road noise just a little bit -adjusted intake resonator-- apparently designed to help quiet the NVH concerns -Nismo finned diff cover will be standard--apparently the bean-counters finally understood the risks of an overheating diff, and are at least making the appearance of an effort to fix things -Brake ducting will be available through the fangs as an add-on kit. It was apparently supposed to offered from the beginning, but a clean-looking kit was never fully finished. The genteman I spoke with was 99% sure it would be backwards-compatible. -retrofit oil-to-water coolers will be available with full warranty protection. The oil-to-air coolers WILL NOT be available under warranty -most importantly, your mother has grown frightful after your recent engagement at the schoolyard, and the cab is on it's way to pick you up for the trip to Bel Air. |
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