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I'm biased of course, I really don't like the car much. I am not digging the retro styling (get an original idea GM) and giant size of the car. At the very least they should have ended the retro before they designed the interior. I am glad Nissan has stayed away from the boat steering wheels like the camaro and challenger have. I am glad, however, that GM made the thing. same with the Mustand GT and Challenger, I am glad other car companies are making performance oriented cars. |
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I also think the car has a lot more going for it than straight line speed. Most of the magazine reviews have complimented it on its handling. Sure the skid pad numbers are a bit behind the Z, the slalom and braking numbers are quite similar. Pretty impressive for a car built on a sedan platform that weighs close to 4,000 pounds. Not saying the Camaro is all things to all people, but it is a bargin just like the Z is. Just a bit of a different flavor. |
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Most dealerships are selling Camaro's at sticker price, or less. I know of at least 3 that were selling them for sticker, so saying a 34K sticker will be 38K in reality isn't accurate.
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I have no idea what kind of deal you can get on one, i am talking sticker price only. regardless, i can't imagine paying $40K for a camaro, so, to me, a camaro priced in the high $30's is not a bargain but instead is the highest price I could imagine for that car. people that like camaros may think $40K would still be a good deal. just my .02. |
I think I fully equipped a 2SS and it was almost 40K or so. But, you can just as easily get a stripper 1SS with most everything anyone would want, for around 31 or 32...
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You can get a loaded SS for around $35k. Again a bargin in my book. Find me any car that handles well, has 400 plus horse power, traps at 111, and that stickers in the mid 30s? Good luck. |
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I just went by the option prices on their website. Its safe to say you can get a $34K SS with a few minor options (floormats, etc) for $35K, and you could load it up for a few thousand more. I am not trying to dog on the camaro, the more performance cars out there the better. |
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RAWR! Thread back from dead!!
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Hooray for revived threads on completely pointless topics (like comparing another car to the forum car... and expecting only good replies that remain coherent and non-fanboi loaded). |
does anyone have a good acceleration comparison of the two vehicles (i.e. both vehicles tested by the same magazine at the same time)? I'm assuming the Camaro is faster, just want to see by how much.
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Oiy... I can't read all these pages from both the camaro thread and the z thread...
TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT CARS! DIFFERENT PURPOSES! They both have their pros and cons. Some of the things said by both Camaro fan boys and Z fan boys are totally ignorant. I've been on both sides of the fence and I can say that it's amazing how dumb the argument is. And fanboy or not for either of the cars, some of the comments made were down right stupid. "It's better cause it's American" "Z's a better track car" "Camaros get shock and awe" "Z's look better" "Who wants a 2 door maxima" Seriously dumb comments. I've owned a few F-Bodies and I've owned a Z. They are two TOTALLY different animals and can't be compared other than having wheels and a motor. They serve the driver differently and have completely different goals, no different from comparing the 370z to the G37. I think this argument is moot, but leave it to ignorant fanboys to forget that as gear heads we should appreciate the good in any vehicle. |
The made in America comment is absurd. It's was designed in Australia and made in Canada. How exactly is it American?
I do think it's a fine car though, and did cross shop it. In the end I'm very happy with the Z and glad I don't have to worry about GM going tits up. |
The way I see it, everyone of us who pays taxes bought American and we don't have a car to show for it.
Now that the unions have hustled the taxpayer I will never buy another American car again. |
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Good post, and i totally agree. |
lol@ camaro. why are we talking about that piece of slop again?
only Chevy that has the right to be mentioned on this forum is the ZR1. |
GM is a joke… the american car corporations are a joke.
Keep makin cara for 5% of the country And you will make 5% of the NGP of total car sales. There cars are mainly geared toward the racist american Mullethead redneck society of north america. Mostly. Corvette is way overpriced for its build quality. Camaro interiors are cheap. Pontiac is shutting down. Trucks are 4 old headz n farmers n guzzle to much gas. Cadillac only has the cts of bein a worthy car. Buick is the best of GM. But lil money is invested in ads to sell them better. Ford mustang. The paper machee sculpture in the world of granite shrines. Cheaply built n outdated tech. Ford taurus.... we'll see Focus... rather own a mazda 3 base. F150 the best duty truck in da business. But no fun factor unless u wear a mullet. Chrysler... challanger... no handling capability. The car for Sunday cruising. The dash looks the same in every chrysler car. The best materials inside than the other ponies but still not the best quality By comparison of foreign companies. Sorry. Besides my altima was built here In the USA n nissan didn't lay off ant americans n didn't need a bailour for there Norh American division. Oh YEAH REDNECKS. When nissan, hyundai, honda,toyota say NORTH AMERICAN DIVISiON THAT MEANS THEY ARE ACTUALLY PROVIDING FACTORIES PLUS AN ASSORTMENT Line, management engineering and logistics jobs as well as banking and finance. THuS stimulating the american market. THE AUtO MARKET WENT GLOBAL in the 80s. Cobalts n cavaliers were Toyota parts on an american design. And most of the pontiacs and saturns. Were global cars designed n built in european australian n canadian factories. While most of the compacts were built in mexico. Only leaving america to build gas Guzzling trucks. So know ur sh%t. Too many ignorant people in this world. Yeah god bless america. But america please don't try to rob me by selling me a 30k car that's only worth 20k The second it rolls off the lot and only 9k affter 1 year n 15kmiles. Which is the value of 75% of the gm and chrysler line up. N 90% of ford. I owned 3 american cars. My moms car is american. Its a good reliable car. But she paid 30k for her car in 05. The malibu fully loaded with all leather n goodies. In 09. The car is worth 5k as a trade n 9k to a dealer. My altimas. The o8, I bought a 3.5v6 23,5k on a deal I got. Its worth 21k now. My 98 altima was 14k in 98. Its worth $5500 in 09. Cars are an investment. If a company is going to sell u better quality go for it. The flag can only take you so far when u have to think of ur future. Do u buy stock knowing its unstable? Or do u buy stock that has a huge potential for growth? I pray america gets in the game strong. I really do. But I'm also mad at GM for taking billions in baolout money. Then filing bankruptcy. Us taxpayers were robbed. N then they filed So they can get a debt discount. That's mad shady. So no. I have no respect for the american auto discount. They are thieves and welfare recipients. |
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I think the Camaro guys could type a sentence better than that. That is a insult to us Z guys.
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Hard to compare these two cars. One is a coupe with a back seat, one is a 2 seat sports car. V8 vs V6, and on and on. It's a different car altogether.
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http://trackdayshots.com/posthosting...eakEnglish.gif I've had a lot of Fords and I never had a problem with any of them. Are they thrilling to drive? No, were they solid dependable vehicles? Yes. |
This always get's ugly, way too much hating going on!
We all know what would happen when it comes down to the streets and track so why don't we all just man up and let this die! |
Seriously - two cars for two entirely different occasions - this is like a pickup truck owner arguing with a prius driver about which car is better.... /thread
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How do sensible, mature adults come to the conclusion that the best way to spend their time is to measure eachothers car cocks and throw stereotypes at eachother via forums? This is rediculous.
I'm not going to bother arguing each cars strong and weak points, I think that doing so would only contribute to the flaming going on in both forums. Both threads on both forums should be locked. Threads like this only spawn blind hatred from members who get offended by others talking trash on their pride and joy, and make otherwise level headed individuals into hate mongers. |
Geezus, Need4Speed...
OK... Wow.. I guess I agree with 1/3rd of what you said... But there's a lot of miss-lead accusations in there. I don't like the politics behind GM either, but damn, dude... It sounds like you have some serious pent up anger against them. My Solstice was '07 35K out the door. It's worth 18K now. Of course GM cars don't maintain their value. Especially now. The only American cars that maintain or appreciate value are the old muscle cars... That's about it. Even a used ZR1 can be bought for under 100K. Practically new Z06 Corvettes are around 45-50K on ebay all day long. There's no winning with them if you're going for value. Buy the car cause you want it. Not because it's an investment. |
The union didnt hustle anybody, what they got was bargained for and agreed to by highly compensated executives. It is as if some people think that these labor contracts were just dropped from above and in final form. Additionally, the main escalator of expenses for the US car manufactures is and has been health care, for actives and retirees, whereas both Japanese and German companies are relieved of large portions of similar obligations by their respective governments...so not really a level playing field from that perspective.
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I think the points made about resale value are very valid. If you buy a car like a Camaro, you have to want to keep it for a long time, or not be too bothered by a pretty significant drop in value right off the bat. It comes with the territory. I have a Z28 that I still haven't sold, and it has a lot to do with the fact that while it's a third car, the resale/trade in value just didnt make enough sense to get rid of it yet.
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