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Are Camaro's even available yet?

american cars die or there are engine problems within 5-7 years.. u see more old asian cars on the street then american.... new camaros r sick, but if i had to choose 1 car that would be reliable... yes... it would be the 370.. IMO

yea starting to trickle into lots here and there. the local dealer to me got their first one today and had a big unveil for it so i went up there to check it out

i also left from that site... especially all the bagging and everything had to do with some "17 year old with a Z" nonsense.. too many jealous men on that site. glad theres "the370z.com" :happydance:

me 2

something funny I found when browsing the STi forum.

Camaros are so fast that... - IWSTI.com: Subaru WRX STI Forums

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Well I am in the market for one or the other. Both cars are great and serve similar purposes but have different approaches to execution. Obviuosly the Z will be more precise, tossable, and have better handling. However the Camaro is handles well enough for most situations and puts down more power. No need to argue about which is better, the cars are just different.

Sure there is some ignorant bashing on that forum, but I have seen the same here. References to Corvettes and Camaros and rednecks etc. In terms of the whole "buy American" thing, that's not really my bag. Buy what you want. On the flip side, I have experienced the opposite level of ignorance from some of my friends who refuse to even consider something American.

It's funny how defensive people in general can get about personal possesions. That's why I have quit frequenting guitar forums (gear page, etc.) as much as I used to. It always turns into a flame fest about how Gibson sucks, PRS sucks etc etc.

I really love both cars. It is going to be a tough decision.

More like jealous kids. The site use to be good back in 03-04. Now everyone knows better than everyone else. And they just want to argue with anyone.

Cars are cars.I have an appreciation for both "imports" and "domestics." When summer comes there's a car show I go to at a subshop called Genro's in my hometown. You'll see everything from old school muscle to exotic supercars in the parking lot. For the most part ,the majority of the crowd are there to check out all the rides( I rarely hear any disparaging remarks about country of origin.) The bashing that goes on between the imports,domestics,N/A or F/I is really pointless.If you are a car lover that should be common ground . All the hating and bashing is simply immature and foolish. I for one would love to own a 370 Z and in the same breath I would die to have a '67 Corvette sitting in my garage.

give me a good American car that doesnt feel like the run of the mill car and i will stop complaining. So if i could have a ford GT or a vette or a viper i would not complain... however, when it comes to the average non 60k plus American car - i am not a firm believer. However, the camero is yet to prove itself to me.

Honestly if you are buying the Z for speed - you are quite stupid - it is a track ready dd car. Camero can go straight in a line... but to me any car can do that with enough $$...

"I like a fine body regardless of the make or model"

GTO or G8. Both proved to be VERY solid cars, particularly interior-wise.

LOL that is a stupid post.

this is just funny lol gm has to use a huge 426hp v-8 to run with the 370z lol lets see...426/8=53.25hp/cylinder 332/6=55.33hp/cylinder 426/6.2=68.21hp/liter 332/3.7=89.73hp/liter okay so the 370z engine is better...hmm .97 vs .90 skidpad and wow the beat us by .3 at the most on the 1/4mi (give the 370z launch control like the camaro and see what happens lol)....and its 35k vs 35k so same price all a camaro does is go straight fast but the numbers arent worth 35k for 35k a 300zx will just brutally manhandle rape a camaro

What's a Camero?

Lot's of great domestics under $60k. My GTO certainly didn't feel like a run of the mill car. The GT 500 is a sweet deal, not to mention a regular C6 Corvette. I also think the new Camaro is the best performance bargin on the market right now. $34K for 2SS with 426 horsepower, leather etc.

Love the Z and love the Camaro, the two are not mutually exclusive. I will end up with one or the other!:happydance:

Camaros have always gotten a bum rap in terms of handling, but whe you put them on a road course and look at the times they do extremely well. Go back to the Escort Cup days of the 80s and the SCCA days from 1990 on up to 2002. Look at the trap speeds in the quarter mile, it's only going to get worse.

Not a government bailout, but they were in danger of bankruptcy and had to be bailed out by a Renault deal.

As soon as you start arguing HP per cylinder, you may as well label yourself as "ricer" immediately....

426 HP is 426 HP, regardless.

And either way, the Camaro isn't competition for the 370...the magazines just want it to be. It'll sell extremely well, no matter what - it had 15000 pre-orders for gods sake!

LOL, so true. This is an EXACT quote from one of the members there concerning the 370:

"I did the exact same thing. It was like the perfect entry point since sellers were under the illusion that the 370z would be better, I got fantastic pricing on my 350z and, IMHO, a far superior car."

I just copied this tonight, a thread that was started for honest discussion, but as usual ended up full of "the 370 sucks/350 is far superior" posts. Any 370 owner who tries to post anything positive about his car gets mauled, lol. I tried to tell a few of them to come over here, and the moderators removed the link to this site, even in the PMs I sent..... can you believe that paranoia! LOL
And I still love the 350, it's a Z for God's sake!

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Why would you say that their not competition for each other they're both Mid 30's two door sport coupes. Both putting up pretty close numbers to each other. Sound like pretty good cars to cross shop. If only Nissan would put a V8 in the Z it would be a monster.

One is a pure sports car and the other is a muscle car. They're not comparable. Put both of them on a racetrack and the differences will be obvious.

It would also be much heavier and lose some its incredible cornering ability.

A good majority of these car will never see the track though or at best once of twice a year (especailly with the 370's overheating problem if Nissan dosent fix that). I'm speaking in terms of everyday use plus the number for both on the track are pretty close from everything I've read.

Nah I mean look at the V8's we have today they've gotten a alot lighter and more compact plus best of all more efficent. Instead of adding displace to a V6 and reving it to hell to get the numbers they could drop a 4.5 to 5 liter V8 get the numbers and a hell of alot more and then couple that with their attention to suspension and it might only add maybe a couple hundred pounds .... still would be a beast.

On a racetrack, the Z pulls .97g vs. .88g for the SS. The Z can do the slalom at 69.8 mph vs. 68.6 mph for the SS. How are those stats even close? The only advantage the SS has over the Z is straight line speed, that's a no brainer given its 426 hp large V8.

YouTube - 2009 Nissan 370Z Track Video

YouTube - Chevy Camaro SS Rips It Up with 13 sec 1/4 Mile!

What he's saying is (and rightfully so), the VAST majority of BOTH cars will never even experience a track.

I was saying that, anyone who even thinks about taking their car to the road course will automatically shy away from the Camaro and lean twords something more track friendly. Namely, the 370 or a Corvette more than likely. So, for THOSE people, the cars arent even similar...

How can people or anyone in their right mind invest all their time, money, and patients into a vehicle that represents nothing but a poor excuse of a automotive company? i really dont care for gm or how long they have been around. because when you have the balls to threaten peoples job's, pensions, and overall job security because you cant keep up with basic industry demands then you simply dont desrve to even have a forum!! so let them put down a company (nissan) who will keep pumping out cars while the poor GM workers who built that piece of junk have to now seek other work!

You say it like nissan hasnt done anything that put anyone out of a job...

Nissan laid off 20,000+ workers earlier this year... everybody's having a hard time.

im not a fan of domestics, but these are some good numbers
 

hennessy...ya their rep sucks, but they supercharged the camaro ss and got this
Hennessey Camaro SS Makes 562-Horsepower on the Dyno | Straightline Blog on Edmunds' Inside Line

562 supercharged hp. damn. anyway. for discussion purposes. it is a straight line car, the Z is more a track car.

As a past owner of a 5.7 Liter V8 GM as well as 350Z and as many as 10 other cars and now 370Z, I must say GM just about fell apart by the time I reached 80K miles. My 350Z engine sounded new at 80K. I got rid of it shortly after to get a new 370Z but to that point it was by far the most reliable car I owned. (All the cars I owned were sport cars). That's one of the reasons I bought the new one.

Lets not go there Nissan in the late 90's was in pretty bad shape until they got bailed out and Ghosen came in and turned things around for the better.

I not looking for a war here there was enough of that when I was trying to do a little research on the Camaro forum. All I'm looking for is some good conversation.

"Just about fell apart" - descriptive lol. A "5.7L V8 GM" could be any 346ci engine they've made in a long time, too. Might want to elaborate, because for all I know, we're talking about a 1984 Corvette, with one of the worst SBC's ever incarnated...

I know the aftermarket is going to be huge for the Camaro and the Z and those numbers will be alot close after people start tinkering with suspension and wider tires. And the .88g look like a V6 number most reviews I've seen and read have the SS and the Z within about .4/.3 G of each other.

1.) It's not a piece of junk. It performs quite well and is a bargain at that price.
2.) Most of the employment issues you identify above are direct contributors to GM's current state of affairs.

The .88g was for the Camaro SS not the V6 version. Both the SS and the Z were tested by the same publisher and the Z came out on top with better numbers.

Pontiac TransAm WS6.
Well let's start with front bumper and work the way back. I know I'll forget a lot of it.
The engine fan broke, radiator started leaking, alternator went bad, master cylinder, doors wouldn't close properly, windows wouldn't roll up, fuel pump.

What year?

Soooo...pretty much many things...EXCEPT the motor went bad.

So how does that relate to your motor almost falling apart and the 350Z sounding "like new" at 80K miles?

Right I saw the vid what I meant is that it seemed abnormal to me because most other tester/reviewers have them within .4/.3-ish of each other.