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gurneyeagle 08-27-2011 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1284725)
This thread is going interesting places....
And it shouldn't really be.

The point of my post was - do you really want to put yourself in a situation where you would have to waste your time to even go to court, much less have your trip interrupted by some hard-a55 cop who just stopped someone for trying to spoil his party?

Before everyone gets all worked-up, ask yourself that question.

I said I warn other drivers of speed traps, and was just mentioning a past experience that I didn't find very pleasant. I'm careful when I warn other drivers because of that experience.

I don't want to be pulled over for anything whether it's ticket I can beat in court or just a warning.

gurneyeagle 08-27-2011 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1284733)
Where are these guys when we need them?
:icon18:

You know, I was wondering how many guys on the board even know who Perry Mason is.

Good comeback to lighten-up the thread.

frost 08-27-2011 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by gurneyeagle (Post 1284737)
And it shouldn't really be.

The point of my post was - do you really want to put yourself in a situation where you would have to waste your time to even go to court, much less have your trip interrupted by some hard-a55 cop who just stopped someone for trying to spoil his party?

Before everyone gets all worked-up, ask yourself that question.

I said I warn other drivers of speed traps, and was just mentioning a past experience that I didn't find very pleasant. I'm careful when I warn other drivers because of that experience.

I don't want to be pulled over for anything whether it's ticket I can beat in court or just a warning.

I may be misunderstanding, but it sounds like you're saying we shouldn't exercise our rights out of the inconvenience of being pulled over and possibly wrongfully ticketed? :confused:

poorazn 08-27-2011 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by gurneyeagle (Post 1284737)
The point of my post was - do you really want to put yourself in a situation where you would have to waste your time to even go to court,
That why went I see a crime being committed I get the F@!#% out of there... Who wants that trouble of being a witness... :stirthepot:

gurneyeagle 08-27-2011 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by frost (Post 1284744)
I may be misunderstanding, but it sounds like you're saying we shouldn't exercise our rights out of the inconvenience of being pulled over and possibly wrongfully ticketed? :confused:
If you want to take it to the extreme, I guess you're right.

To take it even to a further and admittedly ridiculous extreme - Call me "Guilty as Charged" since I've got better things to do than defend the Constitution after trying to help a perfect stranger from getting caught breaking the law.

I can think of a number of things I could do to improve the quality of life in my community.

I'll continue to flash, but I'm careful when I do. That is my point.

I think I'm done with this one. We are so far off topic now - my apologies - that the discussion is really getting silly. Kuddos to the guys that want to fight the fight for all of our benefit.

Cheers

9Zs_Ed 08-27-2011 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1284219)
I always do. I should flash all the cops I see for they are always speeding also. I quarantee there not on a call either. Oh wait, it maybe a call to the Waffle House.
Whenever I see a cop speeding without lights on, I assume there's a blue-light special at Dunkin Donuts that expires in 10 minutes.

Red__Zed 08-27-2011 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by gurneyeagle (Post 1284727)
I strongly disagree.

If you really aren't qualified to give advice, one might be better off refraining from doing so.
:

Thanks for telling us how to run the forum.

nmjaxx9 08-27-2011 08:59 PM
yeahhhhh wats up with the police officers that speed and run lights for no reason when they obviously arent chasing anyone nor do they have their sirens on, theres gotta be a way citizens can get these law breaking cops off the road.

daisuke149 08-27-2011 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by nmjaxx9 (Post 1284855)
yeahhhhh wats up with the police officers that speed and run lights for no reason when they obviously arent chasing anyone nor do they have their sirens on, theres gotta be a way citizens can get these law breaking cops off the road.
cus heres the issue.

If you wanna pull over a cop, then you should be someone who has never broken the law either.

AKA we are all guilty, we all just wanna moan and cry and bitch when we get caught.

Everyone always comes online and goes "Maaan this effin cop pulled me over and i wasnt speeding and he was a **** and said i was doing 20 over. but i wasnt speeding man at all" yeah.... im sure 99.9% of those stories are BS.

We all speed, we all know it when we do, we just still like to get pissed when we get pulled over and then always say Cops are dicks.

nmjaxx9 08-27-2011 10:26 PM
I agree, im not saying i always follow the rules :icon17:, but seriously some cops do abuse their privileges, ive seen cops speed on residential roads, run red lights, run through stop signs, some cops just dont care. I say as a individual who is suppost to uphold the law, they should be role-models to the citizens of the community, they cant expect to break the law and fine people who do the same thing, sounds hypocritical to me.

V8Killer 08-27-2011 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by poorazn (Post 1284748)
That why went I see a crime being committed I get the F@!#% out of there... Who wants that trouble of being a witness... :stirthepot:
Being a witness could help someone be put away for doing wrong. It's not trouble when your doing the right thing and being a good citizen.

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Originally Posted by nmjaxx9 (Post 1284940)
I agree, im not saying i always follow the rules :icon17:, but seriously some cops do abuse their privileges, ive seen cops speed on residential roads, run red lights, run through stop signs, some cops just dont care. I say as a individual who is suppost to uphold the law, they should be role-models to the citizens of the community, they cant expect to break the law and fine people who do the same thing, sounds hypocritical to me.
Okay I just wanted to touch on this, I work with a lot of former cops and I ask them questions all the time. The one thing is when you see them with their lights on the camera is rolling. Most law enforcement agencies now monitor everything they do so they are not joy riding or ******* off. What you might see is a cop responding to a call speeding in traffic then half way through it get taken off the call in which he/she resumes normal operating procedures. Not saying that there might not be some goofing off with some departments that are smaller and have yet to upgrade their vehicles. They are supposed to be role-models but in today's society the law enforcement officer knows the people he/she has swore to protect will also be the ones that screw him/her over.

nmjaxx9 08-27-2011 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 1285059)
Being a witness could help someone be put away for doing wrong. It's not trouble when your doing the right thing and being a good citizen.



Okay I just wanted to touch on this, I work with a lot of former cops and I ask them questions all the time. The one thing is when you see them with their lights on the camera is rolling. Most law enforcement agencies now monitor everything they do so they are not joy riding or ******* off. What you might see is a cop responding to a call speeding in traffic then half way through it get taken off the call in which he/she resumes normal operating procedures. Not saying that there might not be some goofing off with some departments that are smaller and have yet to upgrade their vehicles. They are supposed to be role-models but in today's society the law enforcement officer knows the people he/she has swore to protect will also be the ones that screw him/her over.
Yeah but some cops are blatantly slacking, I understand maybe speeding, but I have seen cops who run red lights and stop signs, actually I have seen a cop run a stop sign in a school zone :shakes head: once again, its not all cops who do that most are respectful of the law, but the ones that do break the law have to remember the oath they swore before becoming a cop, and realize that what they are doing isnt safe, nor justified.

MacCool 08-27-2011 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by gurneyeagle (Post 1284727)
I strongly disagree.

Giving you opinion is one thing, commenting like you know what you are really talking about when you aren't qualified to do so is different. Whether someone wants to then take that advice is "their own damn problem".

There are some extremely smart guys on the board, but I'm not going to take advice from them on how to handle an issue in a court room unless they are a qualified attorney. If you really aren't qualified to give advice, one might be better off refraining from doing so.

If someone asks for my advice on a subject that I know about, I'll give it. If I don't know anything about the subject, I'll refer them to my wife since she knows everything. :stirthepot:
Oh c'mon. It's not rocket surgery. Anyway, you'd be nuts to go to court with only internet advice. If you don't happen to know your way around the legal system, and you apparently don't, then you're going to be hiring an attorney anyway, right?

AlexRaymond19 08-28-2011 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by gurneyeagle (Post 1284141)
Yes, and yes.

Just be careful because sometimes state troopers have multiple units roaming in the same area and they will pull you over to chat about your "communication skills".

Happened to me during the dark days of the 55 mph national speed limit. Very dark days.
Tell me about it. I drove by a speed trap a year ago or so, and after i passed i flashed a car to slow down. It was at night, and i did not realize a cop was following me. He put his blues on for a few seconds to tell me to shut up about the speed trap...

JrumMusic 08-28-2011 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 1284911)
cus heres the issue.

If you wanna pull over a cop, then you should be someone who has never broken the law either.

Aka we are all guilty, we all just wanna moan and cry and bitch when we get caught.

Everyone always comes online and goes "maaan this effin cop pulled me over and i wasnt speeding and he was a **** and said i was doing 20 over. But i wasnt speeding man at all" yeah.... Im sure 99.9% of those stories are bs.

We all speed, we all know it when we do, we just still like to get pissed when we get pulled over and then always say cops are dicks.
realest reply ever! Lol

V8Killer 08-28-2011 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by nmjaxx9 (Post 1285072)
Yeah but some cops are blatantly slacking, I understand maybe speeding, but I have seen cops who run red lights and stop signs, actually I have seen a cop run a stop sign in a school zone :shakes head: once again, its not all cops who do that most are respectful of the law, but the ones that do break the law have to remember the oath they swore before becoming a cop, and realize that what they are doing isnt safe, nor justified.
My suggestion is to report it. Those guys are being tracked all the time so if you make a report with a date/time/location they can put a stop to that. :tup:

KillerBee370 08-28-2011 10:42 AM
The cops around my neighborhood sit in complete blackout on dark streets with the radar box attached to their car. I think a cop is supposed to have at least the parking lamps on while performing their "duties" as it were.

Anyway, my V1 always picks it up well in advance (saved me 3 times this month alone) and when I get to where the cop is hiding I hit the brights and light them up until I pass. Screw them. They are creating more of a hazard by sitting blacked out.

And yes I always warn other drivers if I can as well as utilize a "rabbit" if someone happens to be scooting pretty good.

clamphibian 08-28-2011 07:04 PM
I don't flash. I don't care about other people. They shouldn't be speeding and I'm not an enabler.

onzedge 08-28-2011 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by clamphibian (Post 1286000)
I don't flash. I don't care about other people. They shouldn't be speeding and I'm not an enabler.
:icon17:

KillerBee370 08-29-2011 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by clamphibian (Post 1286000)
I don't flash. I don't care about other people. They shouldn't be speeding and I'm not an enabler.
:bowrofl:

RandyD 08-29-2011 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by clamphibian (Post 1286000)
I don't flash. I don't care about other people. They shouldn't be speeding and I'm not an enabler.
There are a few places where the cops always sit... and I always make overly sure to not go over the limit at all... and in those zones, people pass me, etc. I do not flash anything there.

I do however appreciate when people flash me at other times for unexpected areas. But i sorta feel like this... why enable speeders (even if I am one sometimes..)?

2011 Nismo#91 08-29-2011 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by RandyD (Post 1284115)
News

Do you guys flash your lights to other drivers to warn of speed traps?

do you think other people should?
Yes on both counts.

Arkaine 08-29-2011 01:10 PM
I never really use to (I'm a pretty big jerk to be honest), but some guy in a silver Mustang GT saved me big time so I will throw out the odd flash now. I wish I could thank that guy because he saved me big time.. I was doing about 35 KM/H over the limit at the time.

KillerBee370 08-29-2011 01:55 PM
The bottom line is that in 1974 the Emergency Highway Energy Conservation Act went into effect in response to oil price spikes and supply disruptions during the 1973 oil crisis. The original catch phrase was "55 saves fuel". It was never "55 saves lives". In fact it's widely debatible as to whether or not it shows any increase in saftey as far as traffic related fatalities are concerned. Period. They only kept the national speed laws in effect and changed it to "..saves lives" in order to collect revenue at that point. What a perfect way to do so!

So yes, I will always do my part to warn others against impending revenue collection spots and those who enforce them as well as take every precautionary measure against such legalized extortion myself via my V1 etc.

I speed. So does everyone else. But in the end... "speeding" is only a matter of semantics.

FromG2Z 08-29-2011 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 1284218)
It's illegal to signal a speedtrap, but a ticket for doing it would never hold up in court. They'd never be able to prove why you flashed your lights and you can tell them any reason you choose. 'I knew the oncoming driver and was saying hello'. 'I was trying to activate the turn signal and must have pulled the stalk a little.'. 'An oncoming driver had his brights on an I was signalling him to turn them off.'. The possibilities are endless.
This is serious? It's illegal to signal???? On what grounds? Dang. If a cop pulls me over for this I'd say show me where its written.

somatic 08-29-2011 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by FromG2Z (Post 1287471)
This is serious? It's illegal to signal???? On what grounds? Dang. If a cop pulls me over for this I'd say show me where its written.
:iagree:
and id be like "prove it"

KillerBee370 08-29-2011 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by somatic (Post 1287472)
:iagree:
and id be like "prove it"
You wouldn't have to say anything because it's nowhere in the vehicle code. You wouldn't get a ticket in the end of all his/her bitching and moaning. They can make up whatever roadside stories they want but in the end, unless it's in the VC or PC, it doesn't matter.

Red__Zed 08-29-2011 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by KillerBee370 (Post 1287539)
You wouldn't have to say anything because it's nowhere in the vehicle code. You wouldn't get a ticket in the end of all his/her bitching and moaning. They can make up whatever roadside stories they want but in the end, unless it's in the VC or PC, it doesn't matter.
Of course for most of us, they can find something legit to issue a ticket for.

somatic 08-29-2011 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1287564)
Of course for most of us, they can find something legit to issue a ticket for.
ive even got a front plate lol....against my will :(

Red__Zed 08-29-2011 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by somatic (Post 1287575)
ive even got a front plate lol....against my will :(
Test pipes are a $25,000 federal fine. Ask me how I know.

somatic 08-29-2011 04:17 PM
:P texas = no one giving a damn

Red__Zed 08-29-2011 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by somatic (Post 1287587)
:P texas = no one giving a damn
Again, if someone is pissed, they may look harder.

somatic 08-29-2011 04:21 PM
"The part of Texas that I live in only requires an OBD2 scan. So if you are not throwing CEL, then you will pass. No visual inspection needed. "

http://www.350z-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Test_Pipes_(FAQ)

Red__Zed 08-29-2011 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by somatic (Post 1287595)
"The part of Texas that I live in only requires an OBD2 scan. So if you are not throwing CEL, then you will pass. No visual inspection needed. "

http://www.350z-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Test_Pipes_(FAQ)
Federal = not Texas law. Any state or county trooper can put you down for the fine though.

KillerBee370 08-29-2011 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1287581)
Test pipes are a $25,000 federal fine. Ask me how I know.
Which is the biggest crock of bullsheet I've ever heard of. The planet is currently in a carbon dioxide deficit! We need carbon dioxide to breath. Plants need it to grow and convert it to oxygen. The government has everyone believing that it's such an evil bad thing which is why they are shutting down coal power plants and imposing such heavy taxes (and fines in the case of vehicles running test pipes etc.)

Again with the revenue collection. :shakes head:

USMCASA 08-29-2011 07:12 PM
i flash people if i see a trap. what gets me is all the mouth breathing rednecks that think hid's are alien lighting sources and flash me because my low's are too bright. i quickly show them my brights... even had a cop in a durango flash me, he was blinded by the light lol

KillerBee370 08-29-2011 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by somatic (Post 1287575)
ive even got a front plate lol....against my will :(
http://www.music-banter.com/wp-conte...uch-a-wuss.jpg

gurneyeagle 08-29-2011 08:43 PM
Isn't this timely;

Florida sued for ticketing motorists that warn others of speed traps

gurneyeagle 08-29-2011 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1287564)
Of course for most of us, they can find something legit to issue a ticket for.
BINGO! We have a winner.

Whether right or wrong, you run the risk of a cop pulling you over. Maybe you have nothing to hide, done nothing wrong, but you still open yourself up to being cited for something you might otherwise would not be cited for.

At the very least, you could be spending 20 - 30 minutes on the side of the road.

The consensus here is that you will ultimately prevail, but is it worth it? Like I originally said, I flash to warn other drivers, but am very careful of when and where.

Jordo! 08-30-2011 07:05 PM
If I know there's a cop waiting up ahead I will flash my lights as a warning.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Sarcasm (Post 1284137)
if the police are trying to keep people driving at safe speeds, and flashing my lights tells people to slow down, then it sounds like I am actually helping the police to achieve their goal.
Agreed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gurneyeagle (Post 1288000)
Good. I hope he gets his settlement.

Speaking of FL, I can tell you Tampa is waaaay overpoliced.

We have literally three different kinds of police (city, sheriff, state trooper) all milling about within a very small area, and mainly they seem to just be sitting on the side of the road waiting for speeders.

I've had situations where I've had to call a cop and had slow or no response, but meanwhile, four of them are sitting in a parking lot together just up the road with the lights off just watching drivers.

And now they're ticketing people for warning others of that -- wow.


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