370Z hybrid?

MarkeZ · 07-23-2011, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

The car in that commercial is the Nissan Esflow concept, which we had many threads on some months ago. It is definitely a concept that evokes an "evolved Z" look, and it is electric iirc.

Ahh.. so it has a name. Thanks for the info.

Rooster89 · 07-24-2011, 12:40 AM

^ I was referring to hybrid sports cars in general. Once a technology comes out, its only a matter of time before its in common use by competitors. I am just trying to promote hope in the impending death of the all gasoline powered sports car.

kenchan · 07-24-2011, 08:00 AM

Interesting info. Thanks unknown!

ImportConvert · 07-26-2011, 05:41 AM

Ah ,just read this about the Infiniti Hybrid:

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There’s always a catch with hybrids, of course, and that catch is weight. In the M35h, the penalty is 265 pounds compared with a conventional M37, which Infiniti claims is 66 fewer pounds than the toll exacted by the Lexus GS450h’s hybrid system. That means the M35h should weigh in around 4300 pounds.

Yeah, Nissan porks up the 370Z by 265# it's not going to fly. They may do something, but it better not be this. They already have one morbidly obese sports car, they don't need another.

shadoquad · 07-26-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Ah ,just read this about the Infiniti Hybrid:

Yeah, Nissan porks up the 370Z by 265# it's not going to fly. They may do something, but it better not be this. They already have one morbidly obese sports car, they don't need another.

Plus, the Z is heavy enough on its own. What's it 3200 lbs without driver?

cossie1600 · 07-26-2011, 10:59 AM

buy a miata if you are so obsess about weight

shadoquad · 07-26-2011, 11:25 AM

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buy a miata if you are so obsess about weight

An Exige might also fit that bill.

I'm not "obsessed" about weight, but it would be cool if they could adapt the hybrid tech without adding 500 lbs or so.

I prefer flingable sports cars to muscle cars. The Z straddles that line.

DJ-of-E · 07-26-2011, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

An Exige might also fit that bill.

I'm not "obsessed" about weight, but it would be cool if they could adapt the hybrid tech without adding 500 lbs or so.

I prefer flingable sports cars to muscle cars. The Z straddles that line.

Batteries are f***kin heavy

cossie1600 · 07-26-2011, 12:43 PM

Have you ever driven an Exige? The car is not comfortable and borderline dangerous on the track and on the street. Modern cars have a lot of safety equipment, everything adds up. Sports package adds nearly 100lbs to the Z, it doesn't stop people from not getting it.

shadoquad · 07-26-2011, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Have you ever driven an Exige? The car is not comfortable and borderline dangerous on the track and on the street. Modern cars have a lot of safety equipment, everything adds up. Sports package adds nearly 100lbs to the Z, it doesn't stop people from not getting it.

I've not driven an exige, but I've driven Miatas, Z4's, S2k's, Fieros, and a Fiat Spider. I like lightness. I almost bought an MX5 over the Z. This is the most powerful car I've ever driven.

I like lighter cars, and that's just one man's opinion. I hate that modern performance cars are all horsepower because safety standards (some of which are hypocritical) have bulked cars up to the point where 2-tons is considered the norm.

ImportConvert · 07-26-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Have you ever driven an Exige? The car is not comfortable and borderline dangerous on the track and on the street. Modern cars have a lot of safety equipment, everything adds up. Sports package adds nearly 100lbs to the Z, it doesn't stop people from not getting it.

A lot of that 100# is in the tires/rims, no? Kindof a necessary evil if you're going to actually plant the power/weight in the corners.

Where else are you getting that 100# from, though?

shadoquad · 07-26-2011, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

A lot of that 100# is in the tires/rims, no? Kindof a necessary evil if you're going to actually plant the power/weight in the corners.

Where else are you getting that 100# from, though?

spoilers, bigger brakes, limited slip diff, all of which enhance performance.

ImportConvert · 07-26-2011, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

spoilers, bigger brakes, limited slip diff, all of which enhance performance.

How much is a spoiler 5-7#? How much are the bigger brakes? How much is the LSD?

I am just not buying 100#.

Maybe it is, but I'm just not seeing it.

Nissan has the weight of the base coupe at 3,232 and the NISMO at 3,300, including that hidious body-kit and the slightly wider rims/tires on the NISMO (not included in sport package, thank-god.) Probably more like 40-50# difference the way I am seeing it.

shadoquad · 07-26-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

How much is a spoiler 5-7#? How much are the bigger brakes? How much is the LSD?

I am just not buying 100#.

Maybe it is, but I'm just not seeing it.

Nissan has the weight of the base coupe at 3,232 and the NISMO at 3,300, including that hidious body-kit and the slightly wider rims/tires on the NISMO (not included in sport package, thank-god.) Probably more like 40-50# difference the way I am seeing it.

I think you're probably about right, but if you add a little more weight for touring and nav options, (heated leather seats, enhanced audio, more electronic gadgetry), it may get closer to the 100# figure, maybe not.

ImportConvert · 07-26-2011, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Have you ever driven an Exige? The car is not comfortable and borderline dangerous on the track and on the street. Modern cars have a lot of safety equipment, everything adds up. Sports package adds nearly 100lbs to the Z, it doesn't stop people from not getting it.

No, but I have driven a 1995 Trans AM and a 1988 Mustang GT with comparable suspension setups and the 1988GT was MUCH more agile feeling even though the steering wheel weighted up about as well as a grand marquis's. My Z06 is much more agile, yet, although a lot of that is superior suspension.

Weight is such a bastard when it comes to enjoying the feel of a car. To make up for weight, you have to add a ton of stiffness, and the car gets all jittery and washboard rough riding.

Much past 3200#, and I lose interest.

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07-24-2011, 12:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
Rooster89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: here Posts: 4,976 Drives: fast Rep Power: 45	^ I was referring to hybrid sports cars in general. Once a technology comes out, its only a matter of time before its in common use by competitors. I am just trying to promote hope in the impending death of the all gasoline powered sports car.

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	Interesting info. Thanks unknown!

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cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 31	buy a miata if you are so obsess about weight

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cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 31	Have you ever driven an Exige? The car is not comfortable and borderline dangerous on the track and on the street. Modern cars have a lot of safety equipment, everything adds up. Sports package adds nearly 100lbs to the Z, it doesn't stop people from not getting it.