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The price is the key here, no sports car can match its performance at anything close to the Z's price. QUOTE]


I guess it depends on your definition of sports car but the Mustang GT actually matches the Z pretty well in all areas except acceleration which it utterly destroys the Z. The new mustang GT, especially with brembo and track pack, will get along an auto-x course just as fast as the Z. And it you can get a mustang for slighly less than a Z.

Then again if you are talking about purely 2 seater cars, well then really the Z has no competitor as there is only the miata and cayman and Vette. In the price range of the Z there really isn't anything to compete with.

[QUOTE=280z/300zx;1209796]Easy on the kool-aid, there is a reason why one is a FS and the other one is a CS car. The difference will be small, but I am not sure I would put the money on the Mustang every time.

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The Mustang does have impressive numbers, but EVERYONE owns one. I don't see the fun in having something that isn't somewhat orginal with all the cars on the road.

[QUOTE=Methodical4u;1210140]By your definition, this is one of the hottest cars out there!

http://www.autobahnusa.net/images/tr...ge/l_hill1.jpg

I've only seen one....on TV!

:D

yeah ... ummm ok

Z or Genesis
 

Hi Case Western Reserve U man. Im in Middleburg Hts and have a black 370z base and love it to death. It feels so good when moving.Turns heads and performance is great . My vote is Z.:happydance:

[QUOTE=Methodical4u;1210140]VQ engines are virtually in every Nissan cars, you need to lay off the kool-aid too. 2nd gen RX-8s are more rare than 370, I have a tough time thinking anyone would dare to say the RX-8 is a better car. It's a car at the end of the day.

[QUOTE=Lug;1210573]That's one hell of a spy shot, the rumored 2013 refresh? :drool:

I admit I haven't driven the new Mustang GT with the 5.0. I did check out the Camaro SS and gave it a big X. The exterior is simply gorgeous IMHO, the interior, however, does not cut it for me. It feels cheap and looks bad to me. What's worse is it's like sitting in a bunker. Never sat in one? You can have a similar experience by putting a cardboard copy paper box over your head and look out through the handle cut out. The SS is surely a fast and capable car, but the experience is vague compared to the 370Z and GC. I could get over that, but not the interior or lack of visibility.

Maybe I'll check out the 5.0GT, but I'm pretty sold on the Z for now. Just need to find the time to get back to the dealership...

[QUOTE=Methodical4u;1210140]you act like you drive a ferrari, just wait the 370z will just be like the 350z. I see 350z everywhere, not everyone is in a rush to buy a two seater right now. Get off your high horse thinking your special cause you bought a $30k+ sports car and thinking your original.

So is this kid really getting a new car it just wishing he is? If I was a college kid I'd just stick with the car I already have or have access to. Graduate, get a real job, then congratulate urself to a nice car or a couple of nice cars after getting a house with garage.

This is what I did except I do not have a house. I do live in an apartment with attached garage though. I did check out the new 5.0 Mustang. I do not think that car can pry me away from the 370Z. I just do not like the interior.

I'm not sure who you're talking to, I'm not a "kid." I've been working full time as an engineer/technical project manager for for several years, right now I'm a process improvement engineer and capital project manager for a global specialty steel maker. It doesn't get much more "real" than being only a few feet from 300 tons of 3000+ degree steel, having people's safety and lives directly dependent the quality of my work, and balancing several multi-million dollar improvement projects at once. It's a "real" enough position that my company is paying for my PhD too.

My forum name pays homage to my alma mater, a fantastic institution that I love and help support financially through the alumni association. I no longer go to school there and I no longer even live in Cleveland, just recognizing two places that are near and dear to me.

Getting back to the dealership to close the deal has been tough, as their hours have been out of my reach lately. Even though I typically work straight days, my plants run 24/7 and I have to be there whenever I'm needed. The past week and a half, I've been working 7am-6pm. Even making progress on my dissertation has been pushed aside this week. Driving 20 minutes to a dealer that's only open until 7 and haggling a deal isn't really that high of a priority at the moment.

Considering that Nissan sold 65K 350Zs in only 2 years...and only sold just over 30K 370Zs in 3 years...that's not going to happen.

[QUOTE=ClevelandCWRU;1194762]I’m not going to be “modding” or tuning the car so I don’t care about unlocked potential. I won’t be taking the car to the track, and the kid the in the mustang/camaro/etc. can rev his engine at the stoplight all he wants but I still won’t race him. I don’t ever race or drive all-out but I do enjoy spirited driving when safe. All I really am looking for is a sporty and capable RWD performance coupe that is reliable, fun to drive, and available with an automatic (to ease the commute).QUOTE]

Just my opinion, but I would get neither based on your requirements above. I mean, why consider a sports car, without driving it as a sports car? I'm not saying you have to race every douche Mustang owner everytime he revs his engine at a red light, however, I think you wouldn't be investing your money wisely. Why not shoot for like an Audi A5, or another coupe? Not a sports car, but luxurious with a sporty feel, all while still a coupe. I'm not a fan of automatics in sports cars either, however, the paddle option in the Z is a great feature and most of the top class sports cars include them nowadays. But, let's be honest, would you use them?

The G Coupe beat a Porsche GT2 RS up pikes peak.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-r1VyAG9HeW...eak-middle.jpg

THANK YOU very much and the ones who have an issue with what I said can :gtfo2: or SUCK IT!

:tup:

its all about , hey look at me

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[QUOTE=cossie1600;1210590]statistics backing this? I feel like i see rx-8's EVERYWHERE around here.

Mazda was selling 15-25K RX8s per year in the United States until 2006, when sales declined to below 10k, and after 2009 they pretty much flatlined. I believe in the US over 100K RX8s have been sold. Not exactly a rare car by any stretch.

[QUOTE=hansoac;1212172]You are right the 1st gen RX-8 sold well, 2004-2006 specifically. The 2nd gen sold terrible because the update came three years too late. You can't sell the same sports cars for nine years straight with no power change. Also gas is $3.50 a gallon not $2.50.....

The Eight Slowest-Selling Cars - Mazda RX-8 - Automobile Magazine

Not to get off track, but a friend of mine owned an RX-8 and it was/is one of THE MOST disappointing supposed sports cars out there. People say oh well it handles sooooo well and this and that but guess what? The car is slow so it BETTER handle well because my Sister in law's mini van could beat it in a straight line.

Great looking car IMO, but if you ask me one word that defines the RX-8, that word would be SLOW.

It wouldn't be so slow if it gets 30 or 40mpg. My Prius is slow, but I love it because it gets 45mpg driving like a maniac. Plus it is all relative, the Z is slow to Mustang drivers. At the end of the day, it's all about driver's preference.

To what mustang drivers exactly? The Z can beat A LOT of mustangs stock for stock in a straight line, let alone on a actual road course.

From car and driver: The 412 hp and 390 lb-ft of torque, the latter on a gloriously flat curve that peaks at 4250 rpm, are achievements. It’s enough to knock out a 60-mph sprint in 4.6 seconds, and the quarter-mile in 13.2 seconds at 109 mph, which are more or less Camaro SS times. Finally, a Mustang engine that doesn’t have to eat dust from a small-block.

Now i'm quite sure many can run the new mustang faster than 13.2, but we've got our guys here who run the 1/4 in 12.9 too.

The RX-8 to just about ANY sports car owner or anyone with even a honda civic is still SLOW!

Oh yeah... your Prius isn't likely much slower and the RX-8 yields AT BEST probably 18-20 mpg... it was an absolutely AWFUL car and Mazda seriously screwed up when they made it.

[QUOTE=cossie1600;1212973]Tell me about it...gas was $1.60 when I bought my 8 in 2004. The 18mpg wasn't a big deal back then, but it sure blows now.

anyway, yet again we have gotten off topic .... and again sorry OP, keep us updated on if/when you get your car.

I don't keep up with a lot of straight line stuff, but a quick search on google shows people doing 12.5 to 12.8 on a stock GT (priced similar to a 370). Road course it would depends on the course, in theory there is an extra 80hp for about 500lbs in weight penalty. It should be helpful in courses with long straights.

You define sports cars as something that is fast through 1/4 mile, some people doesn't. Do you know what is the best selling sports car of all time? Miata. Lotus seems to be doing okay with cars that can barely hit 13s, you saying they don't have sports cars? Straight line acceleration is not hard to accomplish, building a car that is fun to drive and can sell to the masses are much harder to do. My wife's SUV does 14.0 flat, that shows how lame comparing 1/4 time is.

Mazda had good intentions with the car, but they made some serious blunders on it. At the end of the day, the project was a success financially as the car sold 100K unit in its run.

That was doing a quick search on the GT... 12.5-12.8 seems pretty low for a completely stock GT, but i'm not saying it would be out of the question for a car with it's power output.

I am not one who really cares much about straight line honestly, but like I said... it's just because I did just a quick search and was comparing that the power of a 370 vs the GT isn't in the same ballpark, yet the 1/4 times are. They had a 13.2 (perhaps with a bad driver or bad conditions) vs the Z that most have had at 13.3-13.5 that people here are regularly running very low 13's and occasionally high 12's.

Mustangs, Genesis and Z's
 

Mustangs are nice muscle cars. They are everywhere though. Fine car , decent lines , nice exhaust note and good power. I'd be proud to own one. Z's are a step up in looks. Strong, beastly and sexy are descriptions often heard. Acceleration, cornering, overall handling, smooth ride, and more of a rarity are why a Z is my choice over both the Mustang and Genesis. Hands down.

Unless you are racing, everything is just personal preference.

Really?


I know a few people around here that have one and they're definitely head turners. Performance wise it's about the same as the Z.
I'm curious on his reasons on why he's selling his Gen Coupe? Or did he already sell it and get a Z?

^^ 3.8 that is

Not that close to the Z in performance....

2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track Coupe 3.8L V6 6-speed Manual Features and Specs
vs
2011 Nissan 370Z Base Coupe 3.7L V6 6-speed Manual Features and Specs


GC 3.8 Track

• 266 ft-lbs torque
• 306 HP crank
• 250~260 HP @ Wheel
• 3389 curb weight

370z

• 270 ft-lbs torque
• 332 HP Crank
• 260~270 HP @ wheels
• 3232 curb weight

Numbers at the wheels are just from google search, so I know that's not too accurate but pretty darn close. But for the price difference, and the actual HP at the wheels, seems like these are pretty close in comparison

unless you have some actual facts to backup your "opinion"

Genesis can barely trap over 100mph in a 1/4, compare to the 101-104 in the 370. I am not sure how it is close in power? This is not including the crappy transmission too.

Thanks for saving me the hassle. I was under the impression that it was somewhat common knowledge. Figures for someone with a name ending in douche...

Didn't they say the car might be overrated too?

op doesnt even visit here anymore cause he's too busy working next to melting pot.