OP, I thought a lot about getting a 335d... great gas mileage and good performance... not that you are interested in that, but just speaking of the 335i, it reminded me of it.

Hey OP... did you wind up getting a car yet?

Not yet, unfortunately. I've narrowed in on a specific car :excited: but have been unable to reach an agreement on price as of yet. We are getting close, but still about a couple thousand away from making a deal. I'm not desperate for a car or anything so I can afford to be patient and wait for the deal I want. Plus it's a leftover model year, but they want me to eat almost all the depreciation to take it off their lot.

I've made an offer that is more than fair, the dealer is trying to play hardball and refusing to budge on the price at all. I'm in a county that is a mix of post-industrialized wasteland and rural farms. There are very few around here who could realistically afford the car, and clearly none are willing to buy it. The car has sat on their lot for over a year now, proving my point. I've made a pretty generous offer. I want the car, but I'm not going to be stupid about it and over pay. That's not in my nature.

If this impasse can't be bridged, I go back to the "buy an in stock GC vs. custom ordering a 370Z and waiting God knows how long" debate.

I retracted my post due to OP POST. He has his choices down. I still think the Z and 3.8 are overkill. Especially with sport pkg siince he doesn't drive aggressively ever. BBK's only make a difference when you drive in the 3 digit speeds but to each his own. I guess some people just wanna look the part? I will change my post to buy whatever. You are making performance comparisons on performance cars you already admitted that you won't ever push to the limit. Kinda pointless to me due to the fact that at lower normal driving speeds. They will all feel nearly the same. For assured braking any of these cars will brake very well and for a better brake feel you can add steel braided brake lines.

And the new scion isn't a bad idea. I don't think it was a TC being recommended.

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If I were not an aggressive driver I would be looking for the most fun in my speed range. 6cyl and 8cyl engines are boring under 80mph.

The only problem with the Scion FT-86 is that it still doesn't have a release date, no solid info on engine specs or body weight. And probably most important is that all the hype on this car coupled with the fact that it's a Toyota means that no one will touch this car for under MSRP for a while. Chances are this car may even have a mark-up. In the end OP would probably end up paying the same amount for the Scion then he would for a Genesis.

I'm in Md, and when I bought my 08 Evo, I called one dealer and it turned out the price was "mistakenly" 1000 lower than it was supposed to be. I then backed out of the deal and the salesmen had the nerve to call me and leave me a message saying that because the car was being purchased in my Father's name that I wasn't going to be able to get the 0% that was being offered, he then said "so good luck getting a car my friend" ... he had called my Father and told him the same thing.

I then called him back and said... excuse me, why don't you clear this up a little more. Basically he had called Mitsubishi and told them it was in my Father's name so I wouldn't be able to get the 0% interest due to it being what is called a straw purchase.

I laughed and said Chris... I guarantee you that I will get 0% interest on this car... and he says " well well, how are you going to do that"? and then I said, BECAUSE MY FAMILY IS FILTHY FU*KING RICH YOU MORON" ... literally yelling it into the phone.

I said all that to say this.. I, being in Md, went all the way to Chicago to get my Evo... that I got OTD for under invoice.

I also told the salesmen that I wouldn't be forgetting him and i'd see him sometime lol.

So hell, go out of state if you have to.

If your family is "filthy f*cking rich," first of all why are you even financing said vehicle, second, why would you freak out over an extra $1k so much, and finally, if all of that is in fact true, someone who is "filthy f*cking rich" would have better things to do with their time than shop around cross country for a not altogether rare vehicle.

Bloody posers today

^ Hambone, I hear ya bro... it seems like "hard-work" and rewarding yourself for the said hard-work comes down to lies, or, a rich family.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again... nothing compares to working hard for the things you can afford. In other words, YOU work hard, YOU get paid, YOU buy the car (or whatever else in life you buy). Not mommy. Not daddy. YOU.

Is it true, or were just going there to make him feel like a mo?

/\______This

I know man, it was like yesterday was the pretend to be rich day on here. The ironic thing is that these clowns have no idea that there's people on here who could blow them out of the water in that regard if they felt so inclined. I don't hate on someone who has/had a silver spoon in life, as I was one of those people myself, I simply hate on someone who has a silver spoon and doesn't accept it for what it is. You just happened to be the fastest sperm to join the Lucky Sperm Club.

:icon18: :iagree: too funny.

The car had 0% on it, why am I going to just buy it outright like that? If it were high interest or any at all I likely would have just paid for it. Having a lot of property and having the actual cash in hand is also different. After dealing with that moron I would have gone half way around the world because good customer service to me is more important than price.

For the record.. I called ALL local Mitsu dealers in the area and none of them had the exact car with the options I wanted except for the one dealership. The economy was bad and no one was buying, and the car IS actually rare and since not many people even know what it is, many dealers don't stock them. They were also trying to push the Ralliart since it was it's first year out so most dealers were stocking them instead.

Make you feel better?

Excuse me... how do you know what I do? Did I say that I didn't work and just sat around like some little rich kid? I actually do work quite hard thank you. Jealousy will get you no where.

Sorry OP for the thread hijacking... keep us updated if you wind up making your decision.

just on the money note. Financing a car is not a bad idea if the rate is right . I borrowed the full 78000 for my FX50S at 0.9%. Did I have the money in the bank to buy it outright? YES!. But even a TFSA will net me 3.5%. So if i bought it outright I would actually loose interest money. Make sence to you poor people? Never spend your own money when you can spend someone elses and keep yours working for ya

Boys boys boys, to those who want to jump to conclusions, my point was simply that to someone who is, and I quote, "filthy f*cking rich," the interest earned over the loan period on a ~$40k car wouldn't even be noticeable. Shumby, since you threw yourself in the conversation, you must be maxed out dropping $78k on a car if you would be that financially impacted by lost interest. OP, I too am sorry for thread jacking, I just felt the need to call a tool out and things got a little out of hand.

I'm sorry i'm a tool for having more money than you. :tiphat:

To address your question, since you yourself were the one that just "had" to tell your Mitsu purchase story on the OP's thread, I quote this from you:
"I laughed and said Chris... I guarantee you that I will get 0% interest on this car... and he says " well well, how are you going to do that"? and then I said, BECAUSE MY FAMILY IS FILTHY FU*KING RICH YOU MORON" ... literally yelling it into the phone."


After a response like that, and putting in on a public forum for all the world to see? Sorry, but I don't NEED to know what you do, nor do I really care for that matter. Your response speaks volumes.

I find it amusing that anyone that calls you out for the tone and content by which you speak is assumed to be "jealous" of you? .... sigh.... :gtfo2:

I also find it laughable that folks who feel they are "rich" or "have more money than anyone" and that "everyone else is just jealous", needs to blurt it out in context on a public forum, and somehow have to embed their story in a so-called response to the OP, just to get their kicks. Again, hilarious.

It's all kindda sad and pathetic too.

:wtf2:

Seems like we have a Troll with $$$$

well luckily I don't care what you think enough because i'm better than you.

Now... OP AGAIN, i'm sorry that others are hijacking the thread over and over.. I didn't intend for that to be the issue. I am curious if you did wind up making any deal or if they got closer to your number?

I was close to buying a 40th anniversary edition before I got mine. I just felt like I would be TO particular about it. I also am not really a grey person.. it's not a bad grey since it is dark, but I just liked the white better and didn't care if it was a special edition or not. I said that because I was curious if you had come across any of these during your searches for Z's?

Wow! 2415 views in 5 days! Welcome, Hyundai-San!

Nope. Trolls who claimz to have $$$$ :nutswinger: haz no dollahs. It's the Intertubes. Funny stuff eh? Happy 4th, Trips! :hello:

I think Mr. Troll has internet $$$$, you know, the kind where you better believe me that I'm rich because if you don't you're a f@g and a tool and poor

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All right everyone
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Sooooo.....Anyway....let's see if this thread is salvageable, shall we?

Still no purchase update. I haven't gone back yet, mostly because I wanted to think about it some more and solidify my decision, but also partially to make them wait a week to sweat it out and realize they'll have to do better to earn this sale.


Something new did enter the fold, however. I stumbled on a late 2009 build (June) 370Z touring, optioned exactly how I would order a new one. Touring, sport pack, blue, "gray" interior, no nav. It has like 200 or 300 miles, pretty much like new. It's a little bit of a trek from me, so I haven't driven it, but I did call. They want $30,000, I offered 27,000, no sale. Am I really that low on my offer?

How would you owners rate the reliability of your cars? The more I read about the engine in these, the VQ no longer seems to be the gem it used to. NVH issues aside even, the oil consumption and overheating issues. I gather that the cooking of the oil is limited to tracked cars typically, but what about the VQ's that thirst for oil as well as gas? Without rehashing that debate all over again, do we know what caused the issue and what units were affected? I've read plenty of conflicting information searching, ranging from the issue was confined to only the earliest of early 09's, all 09's, even current builds. No matter what you tell me though, I'm sure I'll be obsessively checking my oil level if/when I do buy one now that I know of the issue.

Also, where does Nissan get off calling the interior gray? It's totally off-white. Either way it looks awesome. Guys who have it, is it impossible to keep clean? How does the alcantara on the seats and doors hold up with some use?

Man I wish I could help you out with all of your questions, but i've only gotten 1500 miles on my 11'. I like to just do normal driving for the first 1000 miles and get start to get on the car a little bit more up to 1500 where I change the car's oil over to AMSoil.. It's ALL I use in my car. It's shown to beat every other oil out there, but that's a whole different debate in itself. It's what I like and that's all that matters.

Finding an 09 with that low of miles is pretty awesome though... especially in blue... great color. I wish I would have been able to find one, but I love my pearl white too so no worries.

As far as being reliable.. i'm a firm believer that any engine that is well taken care of will last a long time.

Hmmm, I was hoping some folks could comment on the reliability and durability of their cars. Guess you guys must be too busy driving them with the nice summer weather!

Speaking of summer weather, anybody else think it's strange that Nissan doesn't offer a sunroof on the 370Z? Weight? Please, the car is already porker.

My previous 09 was an early build date, so one of the first few months built. Had the car for almost 2 years and a total of 6500 miles. Never had an overheat issue or used a drop of oil. Temps stayed consistantly at 220 in Vegas 110+ degree weather. Temps stayed at 190-200 in the winter. On the days I took it to the strip or auto-x it usually would go up to 240-250 and as soon as the run was over it would drop back down to 220. Again, never used oil, but I only did 2 oil changes on it

My 2010 Nismo hasn't used any oil either. Had the car about 8mo now and 8k miles on it. Temps seem to run about the same as my 09 did. The only thing I did notice differently is that on my last trip to Calif. the temps did go up to about 24-250 while going up Baker hill. This is a common area for cars to overheat in the summer as you change elevation by something like 2000ft. My previous 09 never had a problem but my 2010 seems to not like this hill much.

With both cars I've never hit limp mode. The engine temp issues seems to be hit and miss with people on the board. Some people have had issues but I'd say 90% of owners haven't. I know you don't plan to track your car so chances are you will never have a problem. It should be mentioned that the 350z had the same issues but it was never made a big deal because there wasn't an oil temp gauge in the car. Since the 370z has one everyone can monitor it and it's become much more public.

As for the price of the 09 I don't think 27k is bad personally. I see where they feel they have an almost brand new car and therefore want top dollar but in this economy why pay top dollar. Explain to them that you can get a brand new 2011 for not much more. Another good point is if you bought the 09 for 30k and were to then turn around and trade it in or sell privately you would be hard pressed to get 30k for it. Most 09's seem to get about 23-25k in trade and sell privately for 27-28k. Try talking to them about it more and if still no deal let it sit. Check back in a few weeks and see if they are willing to change their tune.

a curved roof?

find a modern car that is not 3000lbs+, this is not 1985, 3300lbs is light in this market at this age

i dont think he was even born in 1985. :D

but yah, 50-60lbs of weight at the top of the car is not good for cg.

As some one who just went through the decision making process and ended up with a 2009 370Z base w/ Sport Package M6. I had a hard decision myself and was shopping against an 06-08 BMW M Coupe. There are many things that help me choose cars that I buy but one that always stands out is HERITAGE! I Choose cars and manufacturers that have history and seem to share the same enthusiasm to make cars as I have to buy them. I don't get that feeling when I hear Hyundai Genesis. Now this wasn't the case for all my purchases some choices have to be made for other reasons...I'm talking to you chevy cobalt and colorado...But even my first Laser was part of something. Not saying Hyundai won't get there, it's just not there now. What made me choose the Z over the M was I hated the interior of the M Coupe but loved the exterior and loved the performance but not the drivability. To me the Z was the complete package. And I think the same could be said about it going against the Genesis.:driving:

Z wins
 

One of the guys at work got a Genesis coupe and it is good looking in person

Hyundai is an up and coming car company

some say the Honda of this era

the Genesis is a very nice option

I like the Z

gennesis is good looking car. like the performance numbers, and saw one in a mag. that was lowered. but i fell in love with the z because it is a sports car, not a muscle car, and not a car that you would see a ton of younge people driving and fixing up. my 2 cents

Have you not been reading the board? Everyone has mods on it! I see a lot of HS and college kids!

I agree, maybe I should have reference EG6 or something

Hell, even in 85 the Z wasn't under 3k lbs. My 84 slick top 300zx weights 3170lbs. The t-top version is about 3220lbs and the turbo 300zx (had t-tops) came in at 3280lbs. Add about 40lbs for automatic versions.

The Z was only ever "light" in the 70's, and even some people think it was the early 240z's that met that as the late model 240z, 260z, and 280z all pushed over 2400lbs.

I agree with your comment. So for a 2009-2011 car with all the crash protection, gigantic wheels (compared to the 14's and 15's back in the day), and gagets the 370z is not doing too bad.

sport pkg weights nearly 50lbs more than the base, who is foolish enough to think the base offers more performance? maybe in a straight line race or wallet race

Thank goodness you two have uncovered the deciding factor between the two cars: my AGE :rolleyes: But you are correct, 1985 is not the year in which I was born.

I'm not complaining about the car's weight, but you're fooling yourself if you think the 370Z is a lightweight by any measure. It's a small, compact 2-seat sports car, yes, but it's heavy for its class. It's heavier than almost all of its true sports car peers, and weighs as much as the bloated, 5 seat Camry or Accord sedans (4-cyl versions). Now, the Z is slick in that it carries its weight very well, better than any other car I can think of and in fact it's rather impressive how well it handles, especially at this price. Nissan's engineers should be commended.

The price is the key here, no sports car can match its performance at anything close to the Z's price. But price is a double edged sword here, and the modular FM platform that allows Nissan to build/sell Z's at such a low cost is the very cause for it's relatively high curb weight for the class. Modular design opens many, many design/production doors, shaves considerable $$ off production costs, but it also forces you to design products "within a box" which does not come without trade offs. The trade off here is more weight than should be necessary, but it keeps the cost down. Weight is the reason the car can only approach, but never equal the dynamics of its benchmark, the Porsche Cayman.

I understand folks like their cars here; the 370Z is a compelling product, and I'm trying to work a deal for one like I stated. But if you start taking an observation (not even a criticism) about the car (ie. its weight) personally, you might have issues....:wtf2:

Agreed. the Z could lose a bit of weight but what other car that packs 300+hp and costs less than 40k weight's less than 3200lbs? You won't really find one. It's not so much that the Z is light, it's just that compared to some competiors like the Genesis, Camaro, Mustang, etc the Z is on the lighter side. Cars in general just need to lose weight but it costs money as you already pointed out. Still I understand your point about having sedans weight the same or less than the Z (example 2012 impreza at 3150lbs).

Also looking back to the Z's history the 370z isn't doing bad, which is what I was trying to point out. The Z has stayed right around 3200-3400lbs since 1984 dispite consistantly getting larger engines, beefer tranys, heavier differentials, bigger wheels/tires, and lets not forget....being safer in collisions while at the same time being able to play your ipod. I think for being able to keep the Z at this current range of weight for the last 30yrs is pretty decent.

Also to answer your original questions about the sunroof, probably the biggest deciding factor for Nissan was chasis rigidity. Cars with sunroofs, targas, and t-tops have less rigity which affects handling. When Nissan designed the 370z their main target was the porsche. They wanted to make a car that could rival the porsche around the track for half the cost. Having that extra big of rigidity on the roof helps keep the car from twisting which in turn makes the car handle better in turns.