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Methodical4u 07-04-2011 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 1190915)
That's not true at all. Just because you may not be able to control yourself when you are 18 doesn't mean there aren't others who can.

I have never had an accident, never had a speeding ticket, and am responsible in other aspects of my life which is why I got the Z when I was 19. Generalizations are not fair in some cases.

good post... a lot of jealousy here... the guy has the money to buy his son a nice car because he has done well with his life and showed maturity... I don't see the problem with that myself.

My first car was a truck, second was an old 93 5.0 ... I was 19 or 20 when I got that car, I later bought an 06 Evo RS and then an 08 Evo... a 2010 Mazdaspeed 3, and now the Z... know how many tickets I have? Zero... know how many i've had in my life? ZERO! Haters gonna hate lol.

shumby 07-04-2011 02:28 AM

what noone else likes boobies?

FromG2Z 07-04-2011 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TongMan (Post 1202423)
I totally agree with FromG2Z. Working hard for something is so much rewarding than someone handing over a 40 grand car to a teen. Parents in modern days love to spoil their kids.

Parents nowadays forget to re-enforce the belief that one should be hard working and earn what they have.

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa (Post 1202462)
:iagree: :iagree:

There are born with a Silver Spoon up thier a$$ and will never appreciate a car because they never have to sacrifice themself for what they want.

This is exactly my point... And no, I am not a "hater". No pun intended, but I really "hate" that term. Why does everyone who has an opinion contrary to the OP/poster a "hater"? I always have to "agree" with everyone? I don't think so.

The OP posted on a public forum, and thus will receive responses from the public. I tried to state mine in the most respectful way possible. At least I hope so. If i didn't, then I apologize. But no, I am not jealous of other folks who had it easier than me...like I said before, I have no regrets of how my life came to be and how I chose to live it.

Again my point is this, I don't have a problem with parents giving their kids car gifts. But i think if it was me, I would like to strike a nice balance. Everything in moderation. I think teaching children the value of hard work is crucial in raising kids in today's society. I think helping him pay for 1/2, for example, or making him work to pay for some portion of ownership. And lastly, if you must reward the kid a car, why a brand new high powered sportscar? Again, this is just my opinion, but it's a little too much for a 16-18 year old.

So i reiterate again....this is just my OPINION. it may not be right or u may not agree, but i stand by my thoughts, the same way u stand by yours.

(Sorry for the long post, but this topic is dear to me)

MacCool 07-04-2011 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 1190915)
That's not true at all. Just because you may not be able to control yourself when you are 18 doesn't mean there aren't others who can.

I have never had an accident, never had a speeding ticket, and am responsible in other aspects of my life which is why I got the Z when I was 19. Generalizations are not fair in some cases.

It is true that just because an 18 year old male is statistically more likely than any other demographic to do something stupid behind the wheel of a car doesn't mean that that ALL of them are going to.

poorazn 07-04-2011 09:51 AM

I love these threads!

RCK, you kind of set yourself up to be flamed. You had a few decently good questions, but you choose a totally unrelated thread title, "Son's newly bought 09 370Z 6MT".

I wouldnt get the warranty. I have a feeling your son is going to deserve a GTR after college.

poorazn 07-04-2011 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 1202666)
It is true that just because an 18 year old male is statistically more likely than any other demographic to do something stupid behind the wheel of a car doesn't mean that that ALL of them are going to.

It's also true that child molesters are more likely to molest again, but it also doesn't mean ALL of them are going too. I wouldn't give a molester a second chance with my kid.

hehe. I just poking the fire :P

Mt Tam I am 07-04-2011 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RCK (Post 1189938)
No, he's not 16. He's nearly 18. LOL, but he's very responsible, excellent student, superb driver, natural athlete (tennis), outstanding peripheral vision, quick, calm reflexes. Wife feels safer with him behind wheel than she does with me. He's ben driving my G since he was 16

And yeah, it's the kind of car I would drive if I were a teen. As it was, I had an orange 2002 BMW in 1970. Cost $2,900 hundred then but so did college. Yep, a certifiable geezer. Learned to drive as a cabbie in NYC when I was 19. Still aggressive after all these years.

I bought my first Z when I was 18, without financial help from dad. Dad did teach me to drive including what he called "brodies", we called them doughnuts, starting when I was 11 in his XKE. By the time I was 16 I had a lot of training under my belt.

I too was an honor student, athlete, quick reflexes, etc. Those things did not seem to slow me down in the slightest. I got to experiment with speed on the horizontal plane. An unnatural sensation that I still enjoy.

Methodical4u 07-04-2011 12:39 PM

The only thing about being 18 that I will say negatively is that many times it's not that they can't react faster than someone say 40's or 50's, but at times they OVERreact which can sometimes cause more problems. However, the car is a SPORTS car and it's made to turn quick, stop quick, and go fast... the going fast can be a problem, but being able to turn fast and stop fast without having to worry about the car rolling or something else isn't really a bad safety feature IMO anyway.

People, get off the man's back. He has the money, he's proud of his son and he bought him a car... get over that you didn't have one when you were 18.

MacCool 07-04-2011 01:08 PM

It's not reflexes, it's judgement....the point where you are old enough to have seen how many idiot drivers out there are trying to kill you, where you actually believe in your own mortality, or have a family that depends on you. That's the point when you hit the brakes instead of accelerator when the light turns yellow, or assume that every guy sitting at the intersection waiting to turn into your lane is going to pull right out in front of you. Where you stop assuming that you're safe because you have the legal right-of-way. And driving habits? It was always amazing to me how many brake jobs I had to pay for on my kids' cars, and how few they need these days. Relying on the brakes and reflexes instead of judgment and anticipation to keep from getting into trouble.

No doubt there are stupid drivers that lack judgement in every age group, they're just more readily found in that 16-23 year-old demographic.

Methodical4u 07-04-2011 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 1202903)
It's not reflexes, it's judgement....the point where you are old enough to have seen how many idiot drivers out there are trying to kill you, where you actually believe in your own mortality, or have a family that depends on you. That's the point when you hit the brakes instead of accelerator when the light turns yellow, or assume that every guy sitting at the intersection waiting to turn into your lane is going to pull right out in front of you. Where you stop assuming that you're safe because you have the legal right-of-way. And driving habits? It was always amazing to me how many brake jobs I had to pay for on my kids' cars, and how few they need these days. Relying on the brakes and reflexes instead of judgment and anticipation to keep from getting into trouble.

No doubt there are stupid drivers that lack judgement in every age group, they're just more readily found in that 16-23 year-old demographic.

Ok those are fair points, but really, and kid could hit the gas at a yellow light or take a turn to fast in any car. If the guy bought him say a new GTI, the car isn't as fast, but he could make the same mistakes... even if he got him Toyota Yaris that could happen.

The only point i'm trying to make is that a kid or anyone has to learn these things as they get older and if he isn't anticipating something (like he should be) but has to lock his brakes up and still can avoid an accident because he has great brakes, that's a good thing right?

Speaking of which... i'm on my way home yesterday and saw a car upside down on the side of the road... 2 girls in bikini's and a guy walking around the car so I assume everyone got out ok hopefully, BUT there was no turns there, nothing... I think that cell phones are the biggest issue these days.. kids and just people in general are just typing away and I feel like beating all of them everytime I see them doing it... that's got to be one of the largest reasons for accidents over the last few years. Ridiculous.

RCK 07-05-2011 08:18 PM

Hey folks. Don't mind being "flamed" in the least. You're all entitled to your opinions, which, like all opinions, reflect the opinion holder more than the object of the opinion.

As to my warranty question, yeah, I will get one. But which one? The Zurich policy I was offered by the NJ dealer was especially pricey ($1978!) and as my son will be in Florida, I called several Nissan dealers/service centers there and none had heard of "Zurich," though two said they'd honor it. One service manager suggested I get a Nissan extended warranty (less pricey) to guarantee Nissan parts and so service is available anywhere there's a Nissan dealer. Any thoughts?

Roadster4Us 07-05-2011 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RCK (Post 1204956)
Hey folks. Don't mind being "flamed" in the least. You're all entitled to your opinions, which, like all opinions, reflect the opinion holder more than the object of the opinion.

As to my warranty question, yeah, I will get one. But which one? The Zurich policy I was offered by the NJ dealer was especially pricey ($1978!) and as my son will be in Florida, I called several Nissan dealers/service centers there and none had heard of "Zurich," though two said they'd honor it. One service manager suggested I get a Nissan extended warranty (less pricey) to guarantee Nissan parts and so service is available anywhere there's a Nissan dealer. Any thoughts?

I would definitely stick with Nissan. Why take chances with a third party. Remember that the dealer could be pushing the warranty that gives them the most markup.

Greg

juan05 07-06-2011 09:30 AM

ey guys dont flame rck he is doing what he belives his son deserves. let him be. my father gave me a nismo when i turned 18. that was 2 years ago. im still here the car is still intact. give him a break. if his son is responsible then it is.

MacCool 07-06-2011 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 1190915)
Generalizations are not fair in some cases.

LOL. Quite the logic bomb there...:icon17:

Mt Tam I am 07-06-2011 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RCK (Post 1204956)
Hey folks. Don't mind being "flamed" in the least. You're all entitled to your opinions, which, like all opinions, reflect the opinion holder more than the object of the opinion.

As to my warranty question, yeah, I will get one. But which one? The Zurich policy I was offered by the NJ dealer was especially pricey ($1978!) and as my son will be in Florida, I called several Nissan dealers/service centers there and none had heard of "Zurich," though two said they'd honor it. One service manager suggested I get a Nissan extended warranty (less pricey) to guarantee Nissan parts and so service is available anywhere there's a Nissan dealer. Any thoughts?

If Nissan is less, it is a total "no brainer."

birdmanx1 07-06-2011 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RCK (Post 1204956)
Hey folks. Don't mind being "flamed" in the least. You're all entitled to your opinions, which, like all opinions, reflect the opinion holder more than the object of the opinion.

As to my warranty question, yeah, I will get one. But which one? The Zurich policy I was offered by the NJ dealer was especially pricey ($1978!) and as my son will be in Florida, I called several Nissan dealers/service centers there and none had heard of "Zurich," though two said they'd honor it. One service manager suggested I get a Nissan extended warranty (less pricey) to guarantee Nissan parts and so service is available anywhere there's a Nissan dealer. Any thoughts?

RCK, I just wanted to note that you can always wait to acquire extended warranty before the regular warranty expires. That way, you would definitely see based on repair history if you even need to spend extra money on extended warranty. Furthermore, there is no guarantee that 2 or 3 years down the road, your child wouldn't want to move on to another car. You wouldnt get top $$ and the same ROI when reselling the car because of extended warranty.

When buying my other Nissan (Nissan whore here), the salesman was pushing hard for the extended warranty purchase ($4000) which I declined given that I could purchase it anytime up to the day the manufacturer warranty expires. it is going on 4 years 65k miles and no issues (knock on wood).


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