Translation. My rich friends and myself don't know anything about cars. Except the lable on the outside. And I'd rather pay twice or three times as much on a car because it doesnt say "Nissan".

I've heard that same criticism before, though. I don't know if there's any truth to it, but I've heard that the GTR is less engaging than other performance cars because the computer does a lot of the driving.

Ever since GTR's hit showrooms, people have called it "Playstation" because of the electronics. Whereas, a ZR-1 depends more on the driver to do the actual work.

Again, I've not driven either car to know how true it is, but that's a criticism I've seen lodged against the car since it came out.

I think that really depends on where you live. I have maybe only seen a handful of GT-R's on the road ever, but 370Z's I'll see maybe like once or twice a week (outside of meets).

Not a drivers car?

The R35 is rear wheel drive with 500BHP. It only goes to 4 wheel drive if you get out of shape. Totally a different car to the 370. In performance terms it's like comparing a Porsche to a Punto.

The GTR and 370 are both great cars......but there is no real comparision possible.

You couldn't be further off. First off the R35 GTR is not rear wheel drive. It is all wheel drive with the majority of its torque sent to the rear wheels. Its not RWD then AWD when you lose traction. Its mostly RWD and then when you lose traction it detects the situation and sends the necessary amount of power to the front wheels to aid the situation. Its very intuitive. I can't remember how far back it goes but the R34 Skyline GTR was similar and it had the majority of its torque sent to the rear wheels as well giving it the ability to get tailhappy but not crazy unless you really pushed it.

I'd say the comparison is similar to the Silvia S15 (aka 240SX) to the R34 Skyline GTR.

Long Answer:
The Nissan Skyline GT-R is predominately a rear wheel drive (RWD) car. All power, be it a V-Spec model or not, is transferred to the rear wheels. The 4WD control system is called ATTESA. In true Japanese style, this acronym stands for "Advanced Total Traction Engineering System for All wheel drive". This system is used by Nissan on a majority of their 4WD cars and off roaders (Shogun, Pajero, etc.). There is a further refined variation of this system, known as ATTESA-ETS. Where ETS stands for "Electronic Torque Split". This is used in the GTR. Then, there is an updated version again, known as the ATTESA-ETS Pro. The Pro spec version is used on the V-Spec varient (it stands for Victory specification, in honour of the many Nissan motorsport victories, BTW). There are other versions (ATTESA-ETS Pro ELITE, used in motorsport and not commercially available, as there are undoubtably others).

Just in case you need the official version!

easily, hell even if it was only $20 more. when i picked my Z up, gtr was being prepped right next to mine, it was juuuuuuust slightly out of my price range

If I had enough money, I would get the GT-R over my beloved Z even at the current price. I just can't afford one.

Odd that you have to preface your statement??

..if that was true it should be true EVERYWHERE NOT just Atlanta..

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if they were priced the same then i would probably go with the gtr but i would b pissed upon leaving because what nissan doesnt typically tell ppl is that if you buy one, u have to register it either for track or for street and if u register it for street and u take it over a certain speed(i dont remember the exact speed....but i know its less than the z's speed limiter kicks in) then the black box records it and it voids ur warranty through nissan so that would piss me off

Can anyone verify that? I've read about the GPS tracking you on track or roads on automatically changing setting but I always thought it was crap. Is the black box thing correct?:confused:

No, the only 'warranty' voiding Nissan looks at for the GT-R was in 09 with people messing with the launch control but even then that got blown out of proportion.
What Nissan did was in Japan create a link in with the GPS to remove the speed limiter when you are at a track. Nissan GT-R recognizes tracks via GPS, removes speed limiter — Autoblog

I have heard of some black box thing on the GT-R, what is that for?

Most new cars have a black box even your Z. That doesn't mean Nissan reviews the data with each service.

that is true, but again it produces the numbers. it cost a lot less thats why its not overall as good.

people always the new mustang 5.0L is a great bang for your buck. it is producing numbers of a BMW m3. but when you drive both you will feel much better driving a M3. but thats why it cost 20k more. is it worth it ? idk.

I think the same comparison can be made for the 370Z and the Cayman S.

370 due to looks and the "fun" factor. Every time I see a GTR (usually flying past me) I wonder what that thing is going to transform into.

Optimus Prime

Definitely the GT-R then :icon17:

Just looked on yahoo autos. There is a black GTR 28k miles for $40k. Too bad it 1300 miles from me.

I hope our black box (if we have one) won't screw people over. I've been to high speeds in the Z and who knows how fast the guy before has been.

What? I'm confused :confused:

There is a 2010 GTR on cars.com w/ 1771 miles for $25k. Does that sound kinda fraudulent to you?

Definitely. Maybe it has a blown trans that was never repaired, but that's assuming there is at least a bit of legitimacy with that posting.

If the car exists I would absolutely take it to the Nissan dealer for a look over.

If the 370Z and the GT-R were the same price I would have saved a lot of money and skipped over the Z06 and gone with a GT-R for half the price. No-brainer. So yeah.

The GTR records oil and gearbox temps and can see if there has been any messing with the ECU or Cobb presence. The car has to have a post inspection if you track it and depending on where your temps hit, an oil change. It's the main gripe as our Porsche "friends" dont have any of this nonsense or expense!

This is for UK cars but assume it applies elsewhere.

GT-R all the way. I will be looking for a low mileage 2012 GT-R in about 4-5 years when my Z is paid off.

Wait, Nissan is trying to help the owners by doing safety inspection on the car and prevent future problems? Sorry, it just sounds like you are trying to complain about the car for no reason other than Nissan being protective.
Honestly, you should be doing this anyways if you track your car. Maybe not every single event but regularly depending on how often you are at the track.

I'd be more worried about the dealership detecting the presence of Cobb tuning and using that to void your warranty.

Actually that's a good thing. Given that driving ability does not increase with wealth, the GTR computers protect those rich 50 year olds experiencing their midlife crisis. Just look at how many porsches, ferraris, and lamborghinis end up wrapped around a lightpole or tree or upside down in a ditch somewhere. :ugh2:

Yeah none of those old rich guys can drive and you never see younger guys wrapping their cars or ending up in a ditch. :facepalm:

Trust me, it's nothing to do with helping anyone other than themselves to a nice bit of labour charges. It's not free and it's all part of the warranty scam!

I reckon I know whether i need new tyres, pads, discs or tranny oil! You're right I should be doing it......not someone from Nissan for a fee!

this is not required in the US to maintain your warranty

I'd be tempted were it not so fekking ugly.

You chaps have a much better legal system all round when it comes to cars. Here in the UK it's a battle. We've had Nissan only supplying Dunlops to dealers for them to charge over £500 yes pounds a tyre! All good fun! Still a cracking car and it's going to be a real wrench to let her go in Sept.

I'm sure the 370 will be fun.....and a better track option if only for the tyres!

IF GTR wasn't auto, and didn't look so plain I'd be all over it.

This is literally exactly how I feel like with my Z. Now being that it is NISMO, it has a bit more of that rarity factor that you were talking about. Also I saw that someone posted in your thread that the GTR is a dude magnet. Well the Z is DEFINITELY a chick magnet. I can't tell you how many girls have either come up to my car or shouted from a distance that they loved my car, thought it was cute, wondered how fast it was, or wanted a ride. I love everything about this damn car. And I put in my new radio today and its just damn near perfect for a stock NISMO.

Yea that was straight from nissan