Engine harshness

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i'm with the op on this one, i love my '09 pw 370z 7at sport and i loved my '06 mb 350z 6spd base and i will prolly love my '73 s30 (once finished) but..

i didn't like how high the 370z was so i lowered it on hks coilovers.

i didn't like how the front chin spoiler rubbed constantly as i drove my 370z daily so i removed it.

i didn't like how the 370z sounded so i got injen cai and went through 4 different exhaust setups (amuse r1000 > mxp > hks ti > akrapovic ).

i didn't like how i couldn't see much with the stock 370z rearview mirror so i put in a broadway mirror.

i didn't like how the stock 370z sport rims didn't have any lip so i put volk te37's on.

i didn't like the 370z fangs or how the rear valence looked like it was stolen from the rogue so i blacked them out.

i didn't like how shiny the 370z headlights were so i blacked them out.

i didn't like how i'd have to drill holes in the 370z's front bumper to mount my front license plate so i made my own mounts ($2.00 mod).

i didn't like how dim and yellowish the stock 370z d2s bulbs were so i swapped in polarg 6k bulbs.

i didn't like how the 370z oil temps were crazy high so i got the ae oil cooler.

i didn't like how the 370z took corners so i installed hotchikis sways.

i didn't like how my 370z's rear rims weren't as flush as my fronts so i put in h&r spacers.

i didn't like how unresponsive and gray the 370z sport bbk were so i got orange project mu 6/4 bbk set installed.

i didn't like how my te37's filled the 370z's wheel wells so i got 20in ssr sp1s.

i didn't like how my new 20in tires rubbed the 370z's fenders so i rolled/pulled them.

i didn't like how the 370z doesn't know what gear to be in when in auto mode so i drive in manual mode 100% of the time.

i don't like how there isn't a proper rear-under diffuser for the 370z so i'm in progress of making one.

most of all..

i didn't like how someone who doesn't own a 370z can bitch about how it doesn't fulfill its sports car image / heritage and how he/she prefers his/hers pos-zoomzoom on a 370z forum and expect to not offend me so i unsubscribed from his/her thread after placing this post about my '09 pw 370z 7at sport.

no offense to you mr./mrs. kiwi.

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nicknick

I do not take offense, as you have not fully read my post and if you have read my post fully then you have come away with prejudice. No i don't own a 370Z but until recently I was seriously considering it. Remember Motoring journalists don't own the car either but they make commentary don't they? That is all i did. Oh and the MX5 is obviously not as fast a 370z in a straight line, but please understand there is more to driving than straight line performance.


I think whoever that poster was quite a while ago wqas onto something regarding MX5 doors. Don't knock until you have tried and i have tried the 370z on numerous occasions. So in a nutshell.....aGIAN..... the Z is a great car, no doubt, it has many things in its favour, looks, handling, quality, braking, features etc BUT for me this quality of engine noise for a car such as this just turned me off, for now. Maybe I'll revisit the Z showroom again and drive a manual Z like I originally did and then i thought WOW. The auto simply made the engine too thrashy.

bvl

I think you need to step back and more clearly ask your questions

Harshness and noise are very subjective.

I am in the camp of the OEM exhaust sound is under tuned: many ways to fix this (I went with a NISMO, which still is a bit understated but a step up). Example: The OEM G37 exhaust is more aggressive then a Z, which is unacceptable

The second part of the engine sound equation is intake, which IMHO is actually quite good in the Z. Its got a good growl without sounding obnoxious.

Coming from the honda world, then into a Miata (I known them inside and out, having driven NA/NB/NC, and owned a FM II NA6 for 12 years) the NA/NB engines were very harsh compared to a Honda engine...but I learned to live with it just fine. I think that quite a few Z owners are in that camp too.

Mazda spent a lot of R&D on the exhaust tune of the Miata, its one of the defining characteristics of the car.

NVH often is a function of chassis and tires. We own a 2010 roadster (which basically replaced my FM II Miata), and I can tell you road noise in the car is because of those enormous tires, but compared to the NA6 miata, the Z is quieter in every respect. Even with those big donuts, road noise is subdued compared to running 15" Kumho V700's on my old Integra...tires matter

The Z has a much stronger chassis with almost no bump shake, quieter top (layered cloth vs. 1 piece vinyl), and less wind noise at speed.

Subjective still, but if you actually measured things with a sound meter I would bet you will show lower readings. If you are not happy with how the Z feels then don't compromise on such a thing: continue to drive a MX5 or whatever ride makes you smile the most.

When we went to replace the miata, we had a list of must haves...we didn't sway from that list. Somehow, we ended up on the Z. Is it perfect? Hell no. But for the money, we thought it was a fantastic package for what we were looking for.

My top 3 wishes would be:

A real exhaust note from the factory
smooth out the valve train above 5000
Can a brother get a clutch that doesn't clunk at low speed please

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nicknick

I really do think i have made myself perfectly clear. IT IS JUST THE QUALITY OF ENGINE NOISE I AM COMPLAINING ABOUT. I DO NOT MIND THE ROAD NOISE OR LACK OF EXHAUST NOISE. TOO MANY PEOPLE HERE GO OFF HALF COCKED. I THINK THE CAR IS GREAT JUST NOT THE ENGINE TONE, IT IS HARSH AND THRASHY, VERY UNBECOMING OF A CAR WITH THE zED'S PEDIGREE. Some guys on here say a CAI fixes that, really?? I believe there is more to it than putting on a CAI, i can not see how that would "fix" the top end thrash/harshness.

bvl

Hmm...I don't think you really have seen just how half cocked some responses can get on the inter tubes. Folks are kind here so far

Your chief complaint is something quite subjective. How do you quantify quality of a sound?

IMHO I think the engine sounds well matched below 5K. This is mostly from the dual OEM intakes and engineering involved. To my ears, its a sports car growl of its own identity. V6's don't tend to be the easiest engines to tune for sound from my experience. The 3.7 is quite different then the 3.5 in our 06 G35 for example. Very similar engines with significantly different engineering.

Changing the intakes to CAIs and such will remove any of the OEM engineering used to quash various frequencies and resonance that will change the sound without a doubt. Will you like it? Depends what you like, but you will need to hear it first and only you can be the judge.

If the only black mark on the Z is the sound from your perspective, then only you can decide if the entire package which includes the tactile responses, looks, and feel is enough to overcome the aural short comings from your perspective.



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happytheman

Outstanding response!

+1 Rep

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akong51

To the OP, please do us all a favor and DON'T buy a 370Z. Thanks.

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nicknick

Yes quality of engine sound is subjective. Ever heard an Alfa V6, Honda S2000, Maserati, Corvette, Mustang, Lancia, BMW Z4 and others too long to mention. All these have great engine noise and exhaust noise, now when i say noise i mean "tone" "timbre".

Do you guys get it now? That is all i am saying yet some of you leap to defend the Zed blindly. Read my posts and you'll see i am not knocking the 370Z just its poor engine "tone" and again NOT THE ENGINE VOLUME.

happytheman

Bvl, your post had lots of concise well thought out points...but I gotta tell ya:
You had me at "Can a brother get a clutch that doesn't clunk at low speed"!

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sonic370

Didn't someone early say the vq has won award after award.
what noise? harsh ?
0 to 60 in 5.5 and less
155 mph. daily driver less than 40 grand
no rattles handles as good or better than most
gets stared at daily. I'll keep mine

Baer383

It's a fvckin sports car turn the God dam radio up.

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GZ3

totally agreed, when i had my 370 i never felt it was too harsh

when i switched to pennzoil platinum and redline the engine was barely noticeble

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