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Red__Zed 05-16-2011 08:54 PM

A turbo sitting on your exhaust pipe has literally nothing to do with engine smoothness. It may quiet down the exhaust note, and it will remove some high frequency components, but the harshness in the motor won't disappear with FI...

UNKNOWN_370 05-16-2011 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1115290)
the smoothness he is referring to is the power delivery, by the way, and then the suspension at the end.

They didn't do any suspension work. That's the GTM garage and a stock Z with turbo. You can even here the engine is lower compared to other vids. The only turbo I've heard that's louder than stock is that one they remove the muffler to install.

UNKNOWN_370 05-16-2011 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1115300)
A turbo sitting on your exhaust pipe has literally nothing to do with engine smoothness. It may quiet down the exhaust note, and it will remove some high frequency components, but the harshness in the motor won't disappear with FI...

I didn't say disappear I said smooth it out a lot... anyway red zed. the turbo is placed at the exhaust but there is a lot of prep that goes into the engine to make that turbo operaiional and reliable. But ok red. U know everything.

Let me just correct one thing. I been saying turbos. I should be saying twin turbos. Single turbos have a different effect. That part is my bad.

m4a1mustang 05-16-2011 09:04 PM

The harshness won't dissappear but it might abate some of it. I know when I added my CBE and Injens, the engine was not quite as harsh above 6k but it certainly wasn't smooth. There was a noticable improvement, though.

Red__Zed 05-16-2011 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1115306)
They didn't do any suspension work. That's the GTM garage and a stock Z with turbo. You can even here the engine is lower compared to other vids. The only turbo I've heard that's louder than stock is that one they remove the muffler to install.

3:12 is were he mentions suspension smoothness relative to his car.

Red__Zed 05-16-2011 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1115317)
I didn't say disappear I said smooth it out a lot... anyway red zed. the turbo is placed at the exhaust but there is a lot of prep that goes into the engine to make that turbo operaiional and reliable. But ok red. U know everything.

Sometimes, if you build your engine. On that install, they changed nothing internally. Same with most installs. Most people can't afford to actually change the internals substantially on their engine for an FI build.

Red__Zed 05-16-2011 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1115320)
The harshness won't dissappear but it might abate some of it. I know when I added my CBE and Injens, the engine was not quite as harsh above 6k but it certainly wasn't smooth. There was a noticable improvement, though.

yeah, you drowned it out:roflpuke2:


The roughness is due to really poor balancing on an engine that is stroked out way too far. Unless you changed something internally, it is still going to be there.

m4a1mustang 05-16-2011 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1115333)
yeah, you drowned it out:roflpuke2:


The roughness is due to really poor balancing on an engine that is stroked out way too far. Unless you changed something internally, it is still going to be there.

That's probably it. A lot of the audible harshness is gone with the exhaust and intake noise, but you can definitely feel it.

UNKNOWN_370 05-16-2011 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1115320)
The harshness won't dissappear but it might abate some of it. I know when I added my CBE and Injens, the engine was not quite as harsh above 6k but it certainly wasn't smooth. There was a noticable improvement, though.

With a proper exhaust and you add a TWIN turbo you (not single) you will hear a lot less harshness in the engine. It won't go away, but it will reduce.

Red__Zed 05-16-2011 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1115350)
With a proper exhaust and you add a TWIN turbo you (not single) you will hear a lot less harshness in the engine. It won't go away, but it will reduce.

how will that help internally balance an inherently unbalanced engine design?

UNKNOWN_370 05-16-2011 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1115340)
That's probably it. A lot of the audible harshness is gone with the exhaust and intake noise, but you can definitely feel it.

I don't think the 3.7 has been stroked out way too far yet. There's a lot of Z's out there stroked out to 4.2l. Yes they need a cylinder sheath but they are doing it succesfully. I think this engine can safely go to 3.8 or 3.9.

Urethane motor mounts.

m4a1mustang 05-16-2011 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1115350)
With a proper exhaust and you add a TWIN turbo you (not single) you will hear a lot less harshness in the engine. It won't go away, but it will reduce.

Not really sure how that will help, though. Like Dan is saying, unless you're building (and balancing) motor internals, I don't see how just forcing more air through it is going to make it feel any smoother. Power delivery will feel smoother, yes, but the engine itself should still feel pretty much the same at high RPMs.

Now, with the added rush of another 100+ whp, you probably won't be focused on that at all. It could just be a psychological effect.

Red__Zed 05-16-2011 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1115362)
I don't think the 3.7 has been stroked out way too far yet. There's a lot of Z's out there stroked out to 4.2l. Yes they need a cylinder sheath but they are doing it succesfully. I think this engine can safely go to 3.8 or 3.9.

Urethane motor mounts.


:confused:
'cylinder sheaths' = sleeved cylinder?

Urethane motor mounts will help how?

UNKNOWN_370 05-16-2011 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1115374)
:confused:
'cylinder sheaths' = sleeved cylinder?

Urethane motor mounts will help how?


Yes...cylinder sleeve. My bad. Thank u.
I'm working and texting. Thoughts are on the fast.

Red__Zed 05-16-2011 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1115385)
Yes...cylinder sleeve. My bad. Thank u.
I'm working and texting. Thoughts are on the fast.

roger. you used the same term in the other thread, just wanted to make sure we are on the same page here.

UNKNOWN_370 05-16-2011 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1115393)
roger. you used the same term in the other thread, just wanted to make sure we are on the same page here.

Where I work we have sheaths for certain equipment here.. iim just buggin. Lol

shadoquad 05-17-2011 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1110356)
I could've went and bought the G37ipl with that sick azz color which is a Real Black Cherry, unlike the garbage version on the Z.

:eek: kizz my azz

Besides, the IPL G doesn't come in a black cherry of any sort. At least not on Infiniti's website. Just saw grey and black.

UNKNOWN_370 05-17-2011 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1115828)
:eek: kizz my azz

Besides, the IPL G doesn't come in a black cherry of any sort. At least not on Infiniti's website. Just saw grey and black.

My dude... they call it some sort of black... but IN REAL LIFE. Not magazines. The metallic flakes are not shiny metalgrain silver. The metallic flakes are metallic red. So with light refracting from the car, its black with a red hue. To me, that is what I grew up knowing as black cherry. The black cherry 370 is closer to a maroon.
As far as the silver ipl... I never seen it in person.

shadoquad 05-17-2011 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1115843)
My dude... they call it some sort of black... but IN REAL LIFE. Not magazines. The metallic flakes are not shiny metalgrain silver. The metallic flakes are metallic red. So with light refracting from the car, its black with a red hue. To me, that is what I grew up knowing as black cherry. The black cherry 370 is closer to a maroon.
As far as the silver ipl... I never seen it in person.

My car's color is awesome. I kinda wish it were a bit more maroon, but I love it just the same. There's no shortage of hate for it, though. :roflpuke2:

UNKNOWN_370 05-17-2011 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1115846)
My car's color is awesome. I kinda wish it were a bit more maroon, but I love it just the same. There's no shortage of hate for it, though. :roflpuke2:

Naw BC is nice. I like the color. I'm just saying calling it black cherry was a dumb move.

m4a1mustang 05-17-2011 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1115846)
My car's color is awesome. I kinda wish it were a bit more maroon, but I love it just the same. There's no shortage of hate for it, though. :roflpuke2:

Awesome when it's clean, not when durrrty. :stirthepot:

shadoquad 05-17-2011 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1115851)
Awesome when it's clean, not when durrrty. :stirthepot:

U jelly of my pollen green accents?

Red__Zed 05-17-2011 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1115853)
U jelly of my pollen green accents?

...yes

m4a1mustang 05-17-2011 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1115853)
U jelly of my pollen green accents?

So jealous. Wait 'til you see my shizz tomorrow. :hello:

UNKNOWN_370 05-17-2011 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1115853)
U jelly of my pollen green accents?

Oh I thought that was birdsh1t green... lol

m4a1mustang 05-17-2011 07:43 AM

I don't know what I'd do if I ever saw green bird sh1t. :bowrofl:

shadoquad 05-17-2011 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1115884)
Oh I thought that was birdsh1t green... lol

lol dude, no joke, my car attracts birdsh1t like no other. You're right, instead of "Black Cherry", they should have called the color "Bird Crapper Maroon". :roflpuke2:

Red__Zed 05-17-2011 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1115890)
I don't know what I'd do if I ever saw green bird sh1t. :bowrofl:

Oil additive.

m4a1mustang 05-17-2011 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1115901)
Oil additive.

That's not exactly what comes to mind when I think of "ester."

Red__Zed 05-17-2011 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1115906)
That's not exactly what comes to mind when I think of "ester."

I heard green bird poop in your oil gives you a better drag coefficient.

shadoquad 05-17-2011 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1115920)
I heard green bird poop in your oil gives you a better drag coefficient.

rep

b1adesofcha0s 05-17-2011 12:06 PM

Shado you're car's color is Shadurple, not Black Cherry.

b1adesofcha0s 05-17-2011 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1115920)
I heard green bird poop in your oil gives you a better drag coefficient.

:bowrofl:

White bird poop is more just for looks, not very functional.

shadoquad 05-17-2011 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1116434)
Shado you're car's color is Shadurple, not Black Cherry.

I know that's true, but I still can't haz ppl trash talkin' the pimp shade. :icon17:

b1adesofcha0s 05-17-2011 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1116445)
I know that's true, but I still can't haz ppl trash talkin' the gimp shade. :icon17:

:ugh2:

Red__Zed 05-17-2011 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1116490)
:ugh2:

:owned:

shadoquad 05-17-2011 12:40 PM

:shakes head: from one guy driving "one of the 78 shades of grey" and the other guy driving "the color that becomes mustangs".

Red__Zed 05-17-2011 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1116575)
:shakes head: from one guy driving "one of the 78 shades of grey" and the other guy driving "the color that becomes mustangs".

Im still mustang-free

shadoquad 05-17-2011 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1116593)
Im still mustang-free

That's not the Z's fault, man. :roflpuke2:

b1adesofcha0s 05-17-2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1116575)
:shakes head: from one guy driving "one of the 78 shades of grey" and the other guy driving "the color that becomes mustangs".

Hey mine is exclusive! No one else has a b1adesofgray Z, no one!


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