Proper way to down shift?

kenchan · 04-27-2011, 01:05 PM

you have a non SRM, i take it? clutch-in, shift to lower gear, blip, clutch-out smoothly.

(i think, i do it without thinking so i need to think if that was the sequence.

)

you'd do this before turns or down a slope or just slowing down in general.

chops · 04-27-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

you have a non SRM, i take it? clutch-in, shift to lower gear, blip, clutch-out smoothly.

(i think, i do it without thinking so i need to think if that was the sequence.

)

you'd do this before turns or down a slope or just slowing down in general.

you got it. you'll definitely jerk forward/back a few times while learning to manually downshift/rev match at the right rpm, but its so worth it! i still turn off SRM from time to time to see if i can still do it

Red__Zed · 04-27-2011, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

you have a non SRM, i take it? clutch-in, shift to lower gear, blip, clutch-out smoothly.

(i think, i do it without thinking so i need to think if that was the sequence.

)

you'd do this before turns or down a slope or just slowing down in general.

pretty much this, unless you are going into first while moving, in which case I would double-clutch.

Pelican170 · 04-27-2011, 03:08 PM

Wow, im surprised all of you use the SRM all the time. I dont really like it for whatever reason.

kenchan · 04-27-2011, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican170

Wow, im surprised all of you use the SRM all the time. I dont really like it for whatever reason.

if the Z's throttle response was quicker i would probably not use SRM but i found that SRM can blip the throttle faster than manally stepping on the pedal so ive been using it.

the Z's throttle lag is considerably longer than say my G's pedal input.

Pelican170 · 04-27-2011, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

if the Z's throttle response was quicker i would probably not use SRM but i found that SRM can blip the throttle faster than manally stepping on the pedal so ive been using it.

the Z's throttle lag is considerably longer than say my G's pedal input.

See, i think its quick haha. when i shift gears, i chirp them everytime even at 4th gear. Either the throttle is quick or im dropping the clutch too fast? is there such a thing? ive actually been meaning to ask that question..

kenchan · 04-27-2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican170

See, i think its quick haha. when i shift gears, i chirp them everytime even at 4th gear. Either the throttle is quick or im dropping the clutch too fast? is there such a thing? ive actually been meaning to ask that question..

you mean during a shiftup? if so you're sort of power shifting/dropping the clutch on every gear. quick way to get a shuddering clutch.

you'd have to learn to time yourself so that you dont get a lurch during engagement.

if you're chirping on downshifts then you're doing it all wrong!

you'd want to rev match by blipping the throttle and clutch-out gently...otherwise in rain you could lose control of the car~!!

Pelican170 · 04-27-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

you mean during a shiftup? if so you're sort of power shifting/dropping the clutch on every gear. quick way to get a shuddering clutch.

you'd have to learn to time yourself so that you dont get a lurch during engagement.

if you're chirping on downshifts then you're doing it all wrong!

you'd want to rev match by blipping the throttle and clutch-out gently...otherwise in rain you could lose control of the car~!!

sorry, should have clarified. yes, during upshifts, not downshifts. What exactly is a shuddering clutch? You really think its bad? When i do it, its not really jerky or anything, but yes, i am hammering down on that clutch lol. I get excited when driving lol

Red__Zed · 04-27-2011, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfessorDave

The conditions under which you would downshift include the following:
You want to accelerate
You want to decelerate
Your RPMs have dropped and you are going to "lug" the engine (say, trying to get power from the engine at or under 2k rpms)
You want to impress that cute girl over there (just be prepared...she won't be impressed. She'll think you are a loud, annoying idiot who doesn't know a think about what women want. She'll tell you this if you are moving slowly enough and your window is down).

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

if the Z's throttle response was quicker i would probably not use SRM but i found that SRM can blip the throttle faster than manally stepping on the pedal so ive been using it.

the Z's throttle lag is considerably longer than say my G's pedal input.

Very true. It drives me nuts to drive the Z with the epic throttle lag. I find myself overshooting my matches every time I drive another car because I'm used to having to apply full throttle to rev-match.

kenchan · 04-27-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Very true. It drives me nuts to drive the Z with the epic throttle lag. I find myself overshooting my matches every time I drive another car because I'm used to having to apply full throttle to rev-match.

hahaha, yah, i had this problem after driving my Z without SRM turned on and switching to either my G or Fit. both cars im over blipping and timing is off.

the Z's best driven with SRM-on i thinks.

ofcourse if this was my only car then no issue.

happytheman · 04-27-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Very true. It drives me nuts to drive the Z with the epic throttle lag. I find myself overshooting my matches every time I drive another car because I'm used to having to apply full throttle to rev-match.

Perhaps changing the flywheel with a lighter one might give you what you're looking for?

kenchan · 04-27-2011, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by happytheman

Perhaps changing the flywheel with a lighter one might give you what you're looking for?

It might, but I would rather flash the ECU if there's a simple fix for this. Maybe UpRev?

Red__Zed · 04-28-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by happytheman

Perhaps changing the flywheel with a lighter one might give you what you're looking for?

It's not the flywheel, it's how the DBW is implemented. My old Civic SI had it as well, albeit to a lesser extent.

6MT · 04-27-2011, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican170

Wow, im surprised all of you use the SRM all the time. I dont really like it for whatever reason.

I don't. I've only ever used it once (to try it out). I downshift depending upon speed, terrain (corners, etc.), engine revs.... you know, like you're supposed to.

BTW, op: if you need advice on how to properly downshift, then you need lessons. (And no, I'm not trying to be sarcastic.)

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