Excuse me, IC, but I was questioning the comment that "Chevy can make a more powerful V6 for less cost." The Camaro V8 is also quite heavier, not "comparable weight".

But there's a simple solution to all of this. If overbearing lights and outdated fangs are just too tacky, buy another car. Or if the car needs a performance refresh, just do like the convert here and look at Corvettes.

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And that my friends is how you troll.. Good job sir 10/10 would read again A+++++

I was responding to a direct comment. I don't go out making wild bs claims.

Nissan currently produces the same number of 237 hp 4 cylinders that Honda currently produces.

Thanks, I wasn't even trying. I just get frustrated reading threads about these same issues that never get fixed. I would like a 370, but I expect Nissan to listen to the consumer.

I admit my post was designed to invoke a reaction but I expected people to want the same items fixed! Not attack someone for calling out Nissan on not fixing the reoccurring items listed on this forum.

I guess I should post like others asking how I can make a 370 run with a Ferrari or a Porsche? (Those are the troll posts in my opinion, but people here really think a 30K car should run with a car costing 100-300K.)

But if you think I am a troll...please show me one prior post that says one of these items:
1) A liking of the door handles and a wish to keep them the same.
2) A post that says the car is quiet inside and very livable.
3) How about a post that says keep the front grill.

As for the headlights I think that is split.

You're right. Did not see that you were responding to that one thing there.

The LS3 retails for $8200 and the VQ37 is around $8000, so my point still stands.

I have no issues with the handles or noise.

I think the car is quiet enough and more than livable (to be fair, I came from a roadster with straight 3 inch pipes and a bike though)

I actually like the look of the fangs.

Nissan listens to their wallet, or they would have put the oil cooler in the 370Z. They have no interest in fixing anything but the bottom line.

That goes for every car company out there except in relation to halo cars like the Z06, Viper, etc. that are more about image than profit.

Talk about an outdated car? The Corvette is near the top of that list. Actually a great car but I can't get past the awful seats.

Has never driven a 370Z = Troll verification complete.

How could I forget about the oil cooler! And I heard the brakes have issues, isn't that why one car magazine wrecked one? They fluid gets hot quickly and they lose power?

I expect every car to get refined every year. Slowly make it better.

U really are a Honda fanboy cause they are slow to improve things. :icon14:

Wrong again. I have driven 3 of them. Drove it when it first came out. Yellow Manual with Sport, but zero discount so I waited. Drove a used one a year later that the dealer called me on, it was a rattle box, but I don't know it's history.

Then I went back recently and drove the Automatic. I was expecting to see some changes for the 2011 - yet nothing.

And I will NEVER forget my test drive in the Z. The salesman said that the car can go a long way even though the gas gauge says E. We went about 2 miles and the car ran out of gas. So I got to sit in the car for 1 hour until someone from the dealer came by with a gas can.

So your troll verification sucks. I have been a member here for years. I like the car, but I am waiting for the refresh to change a few of the items I don't care for.

I guess you never complain about anything or want anything to change. That's fine with me. But I like progress, if I wanted things to stay the same I would buy a classic 240Z. Or maybe a 90's 300TT.

Actually, no. I was thinking of Porsche. I mentioned earlier, I have given up on Honda. After many years, they lost what made them special. Kill the Prelude, kill the NSX, kill the S2000, and build some hybrid CRZ designed to look like a CRX but have none of the charm? No thanks, I will go back to Honda when they figure out what consumers want.

The Porsche 911 hasn't "refreshed" in 40 years. The Z, I hope, will just continue incremental improvements of an incredibly good car.

I did say earlier that it looks perfect the way it is. I love the door handles, the fangs, the headlights, the tail lights, etc. The noise doesn't bother me at all. In my opinion, the only things they need to add in a refresh are a standard oil cooler and some more power. Who doesn't want more power?

I think it is a legitimate question, I'm looking to purchase one but I would hate to get the '11 version only to have some major revising going on for the '12 version.

Exterior wise, I don't care since I'll be slappin the amuse kit on anyway.

The 350Z really never changed, a little the front end and the hood in 2007 & 2008 due to the change of the to two intakes...

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I think that the question, "When is the next update or body style" is legit, but I don't think it's right to insult the car and (by proxy) the owners by calling it ugly and outdated. Clearly that's not a friendly way to start a thread.

This is such small beans. +1 to close.

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I never once said it was ugly. That's what you read into it so you must have those feelings.

I said it is showing it's age and needs a refresh. And I cited common things people have asked to be changed. If I did not point out what I meant by showing it's age that would be an insult to the entire car.

I picked out SPECIFIC items that look odd on an otherwise very clean looking car. I hope some of the common issues raised might be addressed in the next release. And if that is the case, I can wait another 6 months for the car.

It think everyone here likes to overreact. It's 2 plastic bumps in a bumper, some door handles that can be updated, and why not match the gas gauge to the other gauges? REALLY! That to much to ask for in a refresh?

Wrong.

And screw it, I'm not gonna derail this further into a flame war.

You know you posted incendiary comments, and you got the responses you deserved.

Wow, 5 pages...

It's probably due for a refresh in a year or two but you're acting like it's a really outdated car, which IMO it's not. I didn't even start seeing them on the road until late 2009. With economic times the way they are and the low sales of the Z, I wouldn't expect much in terms of a total redesign for at least another couple years.

IMO the car is great as is considering the price point it's at. It will get redesigned eventually I'm sure, but I think you should just buy the car now if you want it, otherwise there will always be something better coming out in the future... and more so the fact that you said you're leasing... by the time you're out of the lease, a new refresh version would be out for you to lease again...

Good answer you are welcome to stay. No I did not read all pages.

I dont think we're going to see any updates. I think they will cut the Z out of their line for a little. The R&D, inventory carrying, and production costs are netting nissan minimal profit margin
If anything I bet they add some HP and if that fails, I think we're not going to see the Z for at least a few years.

I agree that the Prelude, NSX, and S2k were all fantastic cars. But the CRZ isn't bad, all things considered. A $23k hybrid with a 6spd manual transmission. It's not horrible. But it's not a performance icon like the S2k or NSX, I agree.

CRZ are heavy slow and uninspiring. Hondas working on a non hybrid version with a more powerful engine I read somewhere.

2003-2008(small refreshes)

So I would guess another 3 years...who knows.

That'd be cool, but most hybrids in that price range are heavy, slow, and uninspiring. This one's 2700 lbs and has a 6spd manual transmission.

Not everyone will like every single detail of the car they have. Nissan is not going to go and change the handles or the lights or whatever because a small group of people don't like them. It would be stupid to not get a car that you like overall just because you think the door handles are outdated.

Whenever you buy a new car you run the risk of missing out if it is significantly updated the next model year. If you keep waiting for the perfect version to come out, then you could be waiting for a while. If it is that big of an issue, then you should be ready to cough up the extra money to always have the latest version. It's a lot like the people who go out and spend hundreds of dollars to get the new iPhone every year. You could do that or wait till the end of your lease when a better one will probably be available.

Holy ****! Damn it...the things I miss when I actually have to work...

370 outdated? I think this car looks awesome and better than the majority of cars on the road today. I have seen less than ten 370s on the road since the car came out no lie.

She should have swallowed you.

I converted a 350Z fan into a 370Z fan yesterday. He told me he had always like the 350Z better until he actually saw my 370Z in person yesterday. I'm guessing a lot of people still haven't seen it yet or don't even know what it is when they do see it. It's far from outdated.

:facepalm: edit: I think what's throwing the anti-trolls in here is the fact that you have named your topic "dated and needs refreshed badly." The only thing I think is dated and needs refreshed badly is shado's pe- er...wait, this isn't the conference room :icon14:

ON TOPIC:

1. Don't know why you'd get so worked up over a door handle. Don't like 'em? Shave 'em. Done. For most of us, they're just fine. (Hell, if they stick out like a sore thumb to you, color match them, and voila! It's like camouflage. Vinyl wrap if you want to ever return to stock)

2. Fangs are iconic to the 370Z now, whether we like them or not. You're the first person I've heard who actually wants Nissan to openly get rid of them. Then again, I don't really wander around looking for things about the fangs anymore...my body kit got rid of them. Meh? Again, don't like them? Wrap the thing in black vinyl, and it almost disappears. It'll still be OEM when you rip the vinyl off. As others mentioned, you can also get a kit, and keep your front bumper if you want to sell as OEM again later on. I dunno what your intentions are, so that's just a few options for ya.

3. It's loud in the cabin, but I bought the car expected it to be loud. It's the same old flame war we get, why would you want to sound proof an out-and-out sports car? Just adds unnecessary weight, and most of us like it, or have become accustomed to the road noises, etc. Especially with test pipes or aftermarket exhausts, underneath the car is WHOOOOOOOO*pshhhhhh*

:rofl2:

Still, Bluetooth works, I can hear my music playing...good enough!

4. What's so overbearing around the lights? It's not like the Maxima or anything that looks like a sideways U. I rather thing the headlights and taillights look rather sharp on the Z. Breaks the lines quite well, imo. I just painted mine so it fit in the overall motif of the car, but on most cars I'd suggest leaving it alone.

5. You can't be serious about wanting a hybrid Z already. It's not going to happen for a while. Even if it does, it's not going to be a sports car anymore, I don't think Nissan has invested in the tech to pump out anything close to...say, Porsche's electric sports car. In the worst scenario, it'd be a Nissan Z in name, but like the Honda CRZ in execution; overweight, bloated, piece of junk that's 'supposed to be a sports car', but in practice isn't.


tl;dr version -
By your line of thinking, you'll never buy a car again. You'll keep thinking "...but they MIGHT do something next year to redesign!"

The Z is still a new car, it won't do more than a minor change. If you like the car, get it. If not, don't. If a minor refresh DOES come around you like it, buy it then. But you can't keep second guessing something from the companies, or you'll end up with nothing. Or at least, an old Honda that lost its soul sometime when the Integra disappeared.

Ok, got some popcorn but forgot the butter. Anyone want to get some?

I have some. But don't know if it's going to be enough.

Did you really think you were going to get a warm response when you started a thread called " This model looks outdated and needs to be refreshed badly"----if you have found several issues with the car/company that you dont like go find something else to buy, like a dodge Hummer or something