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JB1 01-31-2011 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 919108)
GTM or likewise will come out with a direct injection conversion.

I highly doubt this will happen. It takes a bit more then just moving the injectors from the intake manifold to the cylinder head...

Milenko2121 01-31-2011 01:28 PM

Time to wait for one of these to hit the junkyard then toss the engine in mine :P

red6spd 01-31-2011 01:29 PM

You guys know that a Camaro weighs like 3500+pounds right? I dont think the Z has to worry much about V6 Camaros or Stangs (which top out at I think like 117mph or some crap) I think the stock 370 holds its own pretty well against the 400+hp Stang and Camaro. Its just as fast or faster to 60, I mean yea the V8's run away from it in the quarter but not but leaps and bounds. And I would hope nissan would wait more then like 3 years to make a big change like that. I mean from like what 04-08 the 350 only gained like 20hp correct???

Lemers 01-31-2011 01:41 PM

Don't forget. DI isn't about HP gains it's about fuel efficiency and meeting Upcoming Government regulations. So if Nissan needs to bring up their average MPGs this change seems logical.

ZYGOTE 01-31-2011 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 919747)
You guys know that a Camaro weighs like 3500+pounds right? I dont think the Z has to worry much about V6 Camaros or Stangs (which top out at I think like 117mph or some crap) I think the stock 370 holds its own pretty well against the 400+hp Stang and Camaro. Its just as fast or faster to 60, I mean yea the V8's run away from it in the quarter but not but leaps and bounds. And I would hope nissan would wait more then like 3 years to make a big change like that. I mean from like what 04-08 the 350 only gained like 20hp correct???

Simple fact is, the 370 shouldn't be competing with the likes of the V6 Mustangs and Camaros, their competition is the V8 counterparts, which both meet or exceed the Z's performance. Also, there are other cars in our rear view mirror, such as the Genesis Coupe, that are rumored to be getting huge power bumps in the near future. Nissan has to act quickly.

Also, the Z went from 287hp in 2003 and ended at 306hp in 2008. However the changes were much deeper than that, as the HR engines were far superior to the DE engines that the 2003's came with.

kenchan 01-31-2011 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 919747)
You guys know that a Camaro weighs like 3500+pounds right? I dont think the Z has to worry much about V6 Camaros or Stangs (which top out at I think like 117mph or some crap) I think the stock 370 holds its own pretty well against the 400+hp Stang and Camaro. Its just as fast or faster to 60, I mean yea the V8's run away from it in the quarter but not but leaps and bounds. And I would hope nissan would wait more then like 3 years to make a big change like that. I mean from like what 04-08 the 350 only gained like 20hp correct???

dang it, i forgot to bring the junk candy and snacks i had at home to work for the unhealthy folks to munch on... with all the overweight going around they will have heartattacks in no time...one efficient way to get rid of people who you dont like at work. bring munchies. :icon17:

red6spd 01-31-2011 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ZYGOTE (Post 919761)
Simple fact is, the 370 shouldn't be competing with the likes of the V6 Mustangs and Camaros, their competition is the V8 counterparts, which both meet or exceed the Z's performance. Also, there are other cars in our rear view mirror, such as the Genesis Coupe, that are rumored to be getting huge power bumps in the near future. Nissan has to act quickly.

Also, the Z went from 287hp in 2003 and ended at 306hp in 2008. However the changes were much deeper than that, as the HR engines were far superior to the DE engines that the 2003's came with.


You guys are the ones saying the Z is competing with V6 Stangs and Camaros, but its really not. HP is not everything. Look at the S2k when it first came out, that car had simialr HP to lets say a Maxima or a V6 Accord, but it was alot faster, faster then the Stangs at the times correct? The V6 versions of the Stang and Camaros are hitting the quarter in High 13's low 14's, thats competion for the Z??? I dont know anything about these "hp bumps" for the Genesis you speak of, but there car now is a 14 second car, so maybe the next gen will be about as fast as the Z, there is nothing wrong with that. If you wanted a car that went straight fast and braked bad you should have purcahsed one of those american cars.

Endgame 01-31-2011 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ZYGOTE (Post 919761)
Simple fact is, the 370 shouldn't be competing with the likes of the V6 Mustangs and Camaros, their competition is the V8 counterparts, which both meet or exceed the Z's performance. Also, there are other cars in our rear view mirror, such as the Genesis Coupe, that are rumored to be getting huge power bumps in the near future. Nissan has to act quickly.

Also, the Z went from 287hp in 2003 and ended at 306hp in 2008. However the changes were much deeper than that, as the HR engines were far superior to the DE engines that the 2003's came with.

Do not forget that the SAE HP ratings standards changed between these models. The HP increase was more like 30 to 35 over the DE.

kenchan 01-31-2011 01:57 PM

professordave- we should go get some charburgers next time... add cheeze fries too. :yum:

toxik 01-31-2011 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 919778)
You guys are the ones saying the Z is competing with V6 Stangs and Camaros, but its really not. HP is not everything. Look at the S2k when it first came out, that car had simialr HP to lets say a Maxima or a V6 Accord, but it was alot faster, faster then the Stangs at the times correct? The V6 versions of the Stang and Camaros are hitting the quarter in High 13's low 14's, thats competion for the Z??? I dont know anything about these "hp bumps" for the Genesis you speak of, but there car now is a 14 second car, so maybe the next gen will be about as fast as the Z, there is nothing wrong with that. If you wanted a car that went straight fast and braked bad you should have purcahsed one of those american cars.

lol look at your mod list, you're not really modding your car for going around corners fast.

Sibze 01-31-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by toxik (Post 919817)
lol look at your mod list, you're not really modding your car for going around corners fast.

Ya, the JDM Rear Fog with OEM Harness has HP gain all over it :roflpuke2:

kenchan 01-31-2011 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by toxik (Post 919817)
lol look at your mod list, you're not really modding your car for going around corners fast.

nnn? :confused:

red's mods are: 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. 339WHP 252WTQ

:confused:

toxik 01-31-2011 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 919831)
nnn? :confused:

red's mods are: 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. 339WHP 252WTQ

:confused:

yeah those are all mods to get the most HP out of boltons, but theyre not gonna do squat on the track. so why is he bashing on cars that only go fast in a straight line.

kenchan 01-31-2011 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by toxik (Post 919835)
yeah those are all mods to get the most HP out of boltons, but theyre not gonna do squat on the track. so why is he bashing on cars that only go fast in a straight line.

oh ok... but if it's a loooong track it might make a difference? they should make a long track that drops into a pond at the goal line. :icon17:

red6spd 01-31-2011 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by toxik (Post 919817)
lol look at your mod list, you're not really modding your car for going around corners fast.


Because I dont think there is much I have to do to make this car a better handling car which is why I started with the performance first.That plus the closest track from me is around 100+miles away in Jersey. Its also nice to add parts that look nice (CBE) and make the car stand out in the sound department, where as suspension parts do nothing for visual except lowering the car. If it makes you feel better should I list mods that I plan on doing in the future??? Like braces, swaybars, coil overs or springs????? Sorry for defending our cars.

P.S I think adding HP to a car would help it go faster around a track. Or no, you tell me???

red6spd 01-31-2011 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sibze (Post 919819)
Ya, the JDM Rear Fog with OEM Harness has HP gain all over it :roflpuke2:



I think you missed what he was saying all together.:shakes head:

Lemers 01-31-2011 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 919942)
P.S I think adding HP to a car would help it go faster around a track. Or no, you tell me???

Not if you end up sliding into a wall because you neglected the brakes and suspension.

Sibze 01-31-2011 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 919943)
I think you missed what he was saying all together.:shakes head:

No, no I didn't. But thanks for coming out :tup:

kenchan 01-31-2011 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 919991)
Not if you end up sliding into a wall because you neglected the brakes and suspension.

wont need to worry about that if the fob flings off the windsheild after turn #1. :icon17:

Sibze 01-31-2011 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 920012)
wont need to worry about that if the fob flings off the windsheild after turn #1. :icon17:

:icon18:

Lemers 01-31-2011 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 920012)
wont need to worry about that if the fob flings off the windsheild after turn #1. :icon17:

I'll show you fob flinging!:mad:

kenchan 01-31-2011 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 920025)
I'll show you fob flinging!:mad:

:rofl2:

JJ-NISMO 01-31-2011 05:05 PM

Interesting news and I definitely think the rumor has validity. Emission regulations and everything else included, it makes sense. Even with all of that, the class that the 370 competes in seems to be in somewhat of a horsepower war. Going past the 350hp mark for the base, and bumping up against 400 for the Nismo will probably attract more buyers even with a small price increase.

If this is true, I will be a little annoyed and definitely wish I had the DI.

christian370z 01-31-2011 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ-NISMO (Post 920253)
Interesting news and I definitely think the rumor has validity. Emission regulations and everything else included, it makes sense. Even with all of that, the class that the 370 competes in seems to be in somewhat of a horsepower war. Going past the 350hp mark for the base, and bumping up against 400 for the Nismo will probably attract more buyers even with a small price increase.

If this is true, I will be a little annoyed and definitely wish I had the DI.

I think that once there are a couple Zs out that have had the VVEL adjusted via GTM and have shown any power increases or not, that will be a good indicator as to whether Nissan would be able to get the Nismo up to 400hp or so.

370Z_Fan 01-31-2011 05:51 PM

Instead of a power gain how about making the Z a lighter car? That way the Z will be faster and have better fuel economy.

lmacasiljig 01-31-2011 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CrownR426 (Post 919262)
I highly doubt this.
Maybe 2014. lol...
I'm sure they'll do some mods to the body but not the engine itself.

The 2014 is perfect for upgrade! 2012 is only 3 years gap.

Lemers 01-31-2011 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lmacasiljig (Post 920303)
The 2014 is perfect for upgrade! 2012 is only 3 years gap.

We're not talking about an "all new model". We're talking about a change to the engine that will increase fuel efficiency and also HP. This won't require the years of testing and design and retooling a manufacturing line. If the engine is going to be built for the G coupe then why not put it in the Z too. The only reasons I could think of is price point or supply.

blinkme323 01-31-2011 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lmacasiljig (Post 920303)
The 2014 is perfect for upgrade! 2012 is only 3 years gap.

The 350z got a bump in horsepower after only two years, so doing it after three would certainly not be a deterrent for Nissan.

sonic370 01-31-2011 07:47 PM

if the next Z motor is as a big improvement as the current one is over the 350
everything will be fine. we all won't to compare the 370 with the v8 camaro
and 5.0 mustang but imho that's not a fair comparison.

the 370 appeals to select few and always will.
the other two are bloated muscle cars.

red6spd 01-31-2011 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 919991)
Not if you end up sliding into a wall because you neglected the brakes and suspension.

They where talking about my mods. Not a TT or SC. I can see having to worry about upgraded brakes/suspension if you boosted it, but not with my mods.

JB1 01-31-2011 08:38 PM

Looks like Some people are expecting miracles from DI. The VQ37 already has a specific output that can compete with the best NA engines out there, including DI engines. 89.7 hp/l for the regular Z and 94.6 for the Nismo. Only Porsche (911) and Ferrari engines have a higher specific output, they also rev a lot higher then our VQ. Even the Cayman S "only" makes 94.1 hp/l with DI

GZ3 01-31-2011 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JB1 (Post 920549)
Looks like Some people are expecting miracles from DI. The VQ37 already has a specific output that can compete with the best NA engines out there, including DI engines. 89.7 hp/l for the regular Z and 94.6 for the Nismo. Only Porsche (911) and Ferrari engines have a higher specific output, they also rev a lot higher then our VQ. Even the Cayman S "only" makes 94.1 hp/l with DI

so a DI 370Z would make it that much better! not expecting miracals, but DI for OURS cars is gonna be a very good thing

Junior370z 01-31-2011 09:00 PM

I think regardless it being a nismo or base the power output will be pretty close like they are now. Nothing against nismos, but nismos is not much of an upgrade from a sport.

toxik 01-31-2011 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 919942)
Because I dont think there is much I have to do to make this car a better handling car which is why I started with the performance first.That plus the closest track from me is around 100+miles away in Jersey. Its also nice to add parts that look nice (CBE) and make the car stand out in the sound department, where as suspension parts do nothing for visual except lowering the car. If it makes you feel better should I list mods that I plan on doing in the future??? Like braces, swaybars, coil overs or springs????? Sorry for defending our cars.

P.S I think adding HP to a car would help it go faster around a track. Or no, you tell me???

don't take it the wrong way bro, I have nothing against any mods that you or anyone else has done. I'm not gonna tell anyone how to mod their 40k vehicle. I was simply making a comment on your reply, you seemed to be very much so focused on the 1/4 mile times of cars yet at the same time bashing cars that are made for the 1/4 mile. i think we can all agree the z is not made for the drag strip, but rather for a curvy track.

GZ3 01-31-2011 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Junior370z (Post 920576)
I think regardless it being a nismo or base the power output will be pretty close like they are now. Nothing against nismos, but nismos is not much of an upgrade from a sport.

:iagree:

Waiz 01-31-2011 09:14 PM

Oh no, can we not rehash the same topic again guys?

No offense to OP but I won't believe anything until I see it announced from Nissan or from someone who attends a focus group.

Most of the people at Car Shows booths represent the booth vendor and not the manufacturer themselves, I know this from personal experience from my
time at Nissan.

JB1 01-31-2011 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Junior370z (Post 920576)
I think regardless it being a nismo or base the power output will be pretty close like they are now.

I agree, if Nissan goes to DI it will mainly be for fuel efficiency.

ihatepotholes 01-31-2011 09:46 PM

talk about insecure at its best... lol at all the people that are butt hurt about this topic. after being on the market for 3 years, a power bump and few other new features seem norm in today's auto industry.

Lemers 01-31-2011 09:51 PM

Yeah and every 6 months a new iPhone comes out.

GZ3 01-31-2011 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ihatepotholes (Post 920658)
talk about insecure at its best... lol at all the people that are butt hurt about this topic. after being on the market for 3 years, a power bump and few other new features seem norm in today's auto industry.

really? this is the absolute best display of "insecurity" you have ever seen? butt hurt? hahahah sorry most of us are pretty excited


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