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LuckyJinx 12-20-2010 12:00 PM

Yeah.. Definitely doubt any big bump in hp. If they gave it more power they'll lose sales to the GT-R. And definitely most times dealing with TT are gonna have problems. Nissan would be losing money keeping it all under warranty. Look at the muscle cars the more hp the more problems (in some cases?).

Ghost 12-20-2010 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 858945)
well for one, muscle cars are starting to handle as well as the Z. Ive been a Z guy for years and handling is something that Z guys took great pride in, 2 power...

Well muscle car have traditionally been more powerful, but they're heavier as well and don't handle nearly as good.

Also the question is, those high power and somewhat exclusive muscle cars, selling? I don't know this and I would be interested in looking at the data if someone can offer any.

Ghost 12-20-2010 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Footloose301 (Post 858944)
Not much will change. The 350Z had minor tweaks here and there. Same as the Nissan Titan that is nearly identical to when it was released back in 2004. I was dreaming that they'd produce a 380Z and then you'd be able to bolt on a GTR turbo setup fairly easily but that won't happen. I bet you won't see anything except a wheel design change for 2012..... Possibly a new bumper. That's all.

I'd have the biggest hard on if they changed the Nismo to a twin turbo and raised sticker price just $3k.

If this happens, you can expect the price tag to jump at least $10,000.

ThoriumHotdog 12-20-2010 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost (Post 858959)
Well muscle car have traditionally been more powerful, but they're heavier as well and don't handle nearly as good.

Also the question is, those high power and somewhat exclusive muscle cars, selling? I don't know this and I would be interested in looking at the data if someone can offer any.

Apparently the new Camaro has been selling as fast as they can get to the dealership. I also doubt the Mustang sales are anywhere as low as the Z. They're selling.

If they make the Z more competitive on the street with the pony cars I bet the sales would increase. Who would complain about more power?

shadoquad 12-20-2010 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoriumHotdog (Post 858981)
Apparently the new Camaro has been selling as fast as they can get to the dealership. I also doubt the Mustang sales are anywhere as low as the Z. They're selling.

If they make the Z more competitive on the street with the pony cars I bet the sales would increase. Who would complain about more power?

Actually, I heard Camaro sales slowed down when the new Stang came out. Anyone have the sales figs?

Even then, the v6 version of both of those cars outsell the muscly v8s

Ghost 12-20-2010 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoriumHotdog (Post 858981)
Apparently the new Camaro has been selling as fast as they can get to the dealership. I also doubt the Mustang sales are anywhere as low as the Z. They're selling.

If they make the Z more competitive on the street with the pony cars I bet the sales would increase. Who would complain about more power?

Yes, the domestic 'sports cars' always have been more successful than the Japanese sports car, there is no question about that. I was referring to the a little exclusive domestic cars, like the GT500. I wonder if they sell just as well, just because they offer more power.

Jeffblue 12-20-2010 12:21 PM

the only new Z i'd sell mine for is one that's got Twin turbos or a v8. no sense in switching cars in order to gain 30bhp.

as far as reliability. i see a fair amount of 90's 300zx TT's on the road which are like 15-20 years old.

Bleek 12-20-2010 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 858533)
:bowrofl::roflpuke2::icon18::rofl2: omg +rep

the only rep he'll get on these forums:rolleyes:

shadoquad 12-20-2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 859001)
the only new Z i'd sell mine for is one that's got Hello Kitty stickers and flower pot.. no sense in switching cars in order to gain 30bhp.

as far as reliability. i see a fair amount of 90's 300zx TT's on the road which are like 15-20 years old.

:ugh2:

I want a Z 12-20-2010 12:23 PM

I can't see the Z ever going to an 8, most companies are downsizing their 8's to 6's - IE the next M3 is going to be a 6

Jeffblue 12-20-2010 12:26 PM

lets say you needed a new motor in your car and nissan said 'zomg we are out of VQ's LOL, do you want a VK56DE or a VR38DETT, what would you take?'

Bleek 12-20-2010 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 859018)
lets say you needed a new motor in your car and nissan said 'zomg we are out of VQ's LOL, do you want a VK56DE or a VR38DETT, what would you take?'

the twin turbo, obviously.

elmz 12-20-2010 12:41 PM

Probably direct injection, which should give it a slight HP bump.

ImportConvert 12-20-2010 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ZYGOTE (Post 858779)
The 350 actually had three different engine variations over those years, so it had quite a few changes actually.

For the 370, I would expect the addition of direct injection next year which would bump power up to around 355. I believe this has already been announced for the g37 so it's only a matter of time for the z.

They were all based on the same bore/stroke, and engine block, though, yes? Not a lot more Nissan can do with the VQ and stay emissions-legal. Is it set-up for DI? DI might be worth a bit, but certainly not enough to keep it competative.

ImportConvert 12-20-2010 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 859018)
lets say you needed a new motor in your car and nissan said 'zomg we are out of VQ's LOL, do you want a VK56DE or a VR38DETT, what would you take?'

I would request an LS7 :tiphat:

Seriously, though, I would pick whichever was lighter and would keep me closest to the factory weight distribution. The Z is about handling.

sonic370 12-20-2010 08:03 PM

I agree with those who say nissan won't go with a v8. it's not their history
with the car. plus it would add more weight to the car it would need a complete redesign. with the last change they went shorter and wider
which was great. imo the z will never reach 400hp it's not built that way.

with that said this car imo was not made to compete with the mustangs and camaros. two different markets. once you reach the 40,000 mark the air gets thin. anyway my point or guess is nissan will do whatever it takes to own
the market for rear wheel drive 2 seater sports cars.

point in it's class 35-40,000 370 1st
point in it's class 45- 50,00 vette 1st
only 2 seat sports car i would buy

Kirkster 12-20-2010 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 858511)
A new and exciting shade of gray.

:iagree:

Nitrouz 12-20-2010 08:20 PM

launch control and a black box. :roflpuke2:

2004YZFR1 12-20-2010 08:26 PM

I still think it will have one more new grey color to make it really exciting.

ImportConvert 12-20-2010 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost (Post 858993)
Yes, the domestic 'sports cars' always have been more successful than the Japanese sports car, there is no question about that. I was referring to the a little exclusive domestic cars, like the GT500. I wonder if they sell just as well, just because they offer more power.

Not a fair comparison, because they also offer...more cost.

Compare the Z06 to the GT-R sales, or the GT500 sales to the M3 sales.

Jeffblue 12-20-2010 08:41 PM

a lot of the newer v8's aren't that much heavier than v6's. these aren't cast iron blocks. they are aluminum. we're talking like 40-70lbs difference in a vehicle that weighs over 3000lbs. yes. weight distribution is key, but the v8's nowadays aren't these giant monstrous heavy slabs of metal.

wolf370z 12-20-2010 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue370tt (Post 858556)
This is NEVER going to happen. Just like chevy is never going to make the camaro faster than the corvette, nissan will NEVER make the 370z faster than the GTR......OR EVEN CLOSE IN SPEED!:gtfo2:

I guess a 400 hp Z is now magically going to be close to the same "speed" (whatever that means?) As the 530hp GT-R?

I think a 560z would be a wonderful addition to Nissans lineup...

ImportConvert 12-20-2010 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 859743)
a lot of the newer v8's aren't that much heavier than v6's. these aren't cast iron blocks. they are aluminum. we're talking like 40-70lbs difference in a vehicle that weighs over 3000lbs. yes. weight distribution is key, but the v8's nowadays aren't these giant monstrous heavy slabs of metal.

BMW M3's V8 weighs less than their previous I6.

SkyZ 12-20-2010 09:08 PM

lmao id like to see some "honda" tuning. super high rpms =]. 9k redline on a tougher stronger motor. as well as engine snappier response. lighter internal parts. just a slight power increase is all thats really needed, bump it up to 360-400?

wolf370z 12-20-2010 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 859760)
BMW M3's V8 weighs less than their previous I6.

Further proof that there's nothing wrong with a v8 and they shouldn't have a problem making it work with the car. It's a logical step in my opinion, Nissan is starting to reach the limits of a normal V6's displacement. Plus, such a big, NA v6 is just sort of a weird thing. It's not small enough displacement to where it needs a turbo in order to make up for the lack of displacement, but at the same time it's not going to produce as much torque as an NA v8 would. Don't get me wrong, I love the VQ37, it performs EXTREMELY well and makes a lot of power for an NA v6. But at the same time the VQ37 seems a bit out of place in a performance-oriented vehicle, imo.

So from 240z to 260z to 280z/x to 300zx (.2L increments), to 350z (.5L) to 370z (.2), I suspect the next logical step is 390z? But that just sounds weird and not as "catchy" as the other Z models. That's why I'm voting for a 400zx or 420z, or even 560z. They already have the 5.6L developed why not use it? :happydance:

ImportConvert 12-21-2010 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf370z (Post 859901)
Further proof that there's nothing wrong with a v8 and they shouldn't have a problem making it work with the car. It's a logical step in my opinion, Nissan is starting to reach the limits of a normal V6's displacement. Plus, such a big, NA v6 is just sort of a weird thing. It's not small enough displacement to where it needs a turbo in order to make up for the lack of displacement, but at the same time it's not going to produce as much torque as an NA v8 would. Don't get me wrong, I love the VQ37, it performs EXTREMELY well and makes a lot of power for an NA v6. But at the same time the VQ37 seems a bit out of place in a performance-oriented vehicle, imo.

So from 240z to 260z to 280z/x to 300zx (.2L increments), to 350z (.5L) to 370z (.2), I suspect the next logical step is 390z? But that just sounds weird and not as "catchy" as the other Z models. That's why I'm voting for a 400zx or 420z, or even 560z. They already have the 5.6L developed why not use it? :happydance:

I don't think the displacement is such an issue. A V8 is just better, and easier to make more power with. You can only flow so much through a set of heads, and if you add 2 more pistons, you get more headflow. Larger valves just waste more space in a head after a certain point, and you need another cylinder rather than just increasing bore/enlarging valves and wasting space. An engine is just an air pump.

wolf370z 12-21-2010 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 860002)
I don't think the displacement is such an issue. A V8 is just better, and easier to make more power with. You can only flow so much through a set of heads, and if you add 2 more pistons, you get more headflow. Larger valves just waste more space in a head after a certain point, and you need another cylinder rather than just increasing bore/enlarging valves and wasting space. An engine is just an air pump.

Yes, that was the whole reason why I was suggesting Nissan has to go with either a v8 or an F.I. v6 for more power. There'll be a point where it's inefficient to use an NA v6 for their power goals. Plus, you can't replicate the feel or sound of a v8. Not saying the 370z doesn't sound good, IT DOES! But you're bonkers if you think the VQ37 sounds better than ANY LSX engine...

BMW went the right direction with the m3. Now they just need to start going in a new direction with the price :ughdance::ugh2::ugh2:

ImportConvert 12-21-2010 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf370z (Post 860040)
Yes, that was the whole reason why I was suggesting Nissan has to go with either a v8 or an F.I. v6 for more power. There'll be a point where it's inefficient to use an NA v6 for their power goals. Plus, you can't replicate the feel or sound of a v8. Not saying the 370z doesn't sound good, IT DOES! But you're bonkers if you think the VQ37 sounds better than ANY LSX engine...

BMW went the right direction with the m3. Now they just need to start going in a new direction with the price :ughdance::ugh2::ugh2:

They are. I6TT. Price? Not so much, lol.

jaycz 12-21-2010 07:40 AM

I would love to see a V6 with direct injection and turbo much like the 365hp V6 that Ford will be putting in the F150.

shadoquad 12-21-2010 07:55 AM

I want to see the Z as more of a station wagon with monster truck tires and a pitiful 4-cylinder, only compact... I guess I want to see a juke. lol jk

Sibze 12-21-2010 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 860135)
I want to see the Z as more of a station wagon with monster truck tires and a pitiful 4-cylinder, only compact... I guess I want to see a juke. lol jk

That would be soooo cool. But;

I want to see a V12 700 HP...

GZ3 12-21-2010 08:21 AM

**this just in from nissan: A new cup holder for 2012...that is all

shadoquad 12-21-2010 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 860187)
**this just in from nissan: A new cup holder for 2012...that is all

rofl damn, I'd better trade in my 2010, because I'm always holding my cup while using the cup holder for someone else's drink. Finally, I can drive more responsibly! Thank you, Nissan, you've read my letters.:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

GZ3 12-21-2010 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 860190)
rofl damn, I'd better trade in my 2010, because I'm always holding my cup while using the cup holder for someone else's drink. Finally, I can drive more responsibly! Thank you, Nissan, you've read my letters.:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

:icon18::happydance:

spearfish25 12-21-2010 08:35 AM

What...you don't find the cup recesses in the doors very helpful? :ugh2:

shadoquad 12-21-2010 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 860228)
What...you don't find the cup recesses in the doors very helpful? :ugh2:

Sir, I am an American :usa: I order supersized diet cokes to go with my quadruple bypass burgers with supersized greasy fries. Thank you.

Sibze 12-21-2010 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 860238)
Sir, I am an American :usa: I order supersized diet cokes to go with my quadruple bypass burgers with supersized greasy fries. Thank you.

:yum:

Blue370tt 12-21-2010 09:08 AM

Flux capacitor

The flux capacitor, which consisted of a regularly squared compartment with three flashing lights (arranged in a "Y" configuration), was described by Doc as "what makes time travel possible". The device is the core component of the 2012 370z.

The device was located between the headrests of the seats and, as the time machine neared 88 mph, light coming from the flux capacitor pulsed more rapidly until it became a steady stream. Doc originally conceived the idea for the flux capacitor on November 5, 1967 when he slipped and hit his head on his bathroom sink while standing on the toilet to hang a clock.[1] He presumably worked for the next 30 years acquiring materials and working out the theories of what eventually became the Nismo time machine in 2010. A similar, but more primitive flux capacitor is also seen in the front of Doc's second time machine, the Time Train.

Sibze 12-21-2010 09:10 AM

:iagree:

fuct 12-21-2010 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 860238)
Sir, I am an American :usa: I order supersized diet cokes to go with my quadruple bypass burgers with supersized greasy fries. Thank you.

i had to throw away my MEDIUM drink from the movie theater. i got in and tried to rape my lil cup holder hole it with no luck.:mad:


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