the problem with the mustang, in my mind, is it keeps on getting better every year :(

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LOL. I need to test drive a 5.0 - mebbe I'll grow my hair like Van Ice. :p

Are there FI kits for the 5.0 ready for the aftermarket?

:bowrofl:

They've had FI kits ready for the car before it was even released. :icon17:

Ford alone has two kits.

Just wanted to say that there's a lot of good peeps on this board!

Yes. 624bhp, I belive. The Shelby setup (Ford Racing SC kit) does 0-60 in 3.7 seconds or something like that. Of course it has a suspension under it, too. Still, not bad!

That will be abundantly clear on his first mechanical issue.

I don't quite understand Carroll Shelby's love of the SC over turbo given the HP consumption to run the thing, but at 3.7 sec for 0-60, who cares I guess!

Well, hopefully this will not be an issue due to:

1. Factory warranty.
2. I have worked on Porsches for decades.

Still, I and every current and future owners should be aware of P-car ownership. I have a coworker who makes Almost triple what I make and he had to get rid of his car due to mtce.

I do, torque.
A 4.6L and now the 5.0L V8 engines have lots of torque and throw on a SC and you have almost as much torque as HP. Want to talk about throwing your a$$ back in a sit when launching.

Let's not forget that the other competitions are also getting better (I.e., LAw or Relativity). Heck, I still get believe that Hyundai is up there too.

In the end, each has its pluses and minuses --- and we all love cars!

Not trying to thread jack, but don't turbos add torque, too?

I believe the losses are minimal and there is less heat generation, the enemy of all engines. Anyone?:driving:

They do, but SC have always been better at generating more torque.
Also a SC can spool faster and many times put you in full boost or full power faster.

:tup: Thanks for the info, Dreamer!

Gads, I suck! :rofl2:

I'd love to test drive one... don't get me into a Shelby - you may get another turncoat!!! :eek:

For OP, the cost of ownership is much more for a Porsche, as you know. Again, if you're willing to pony up the extra $$$, I'm sure you'll love driving it.

Kindof off-topic, but I pass a red Cayman at a Nissan dealership every day. I don't know if they traded it in for a Z, or another vehicle, just saying.

when i came to the dealer to order my z, the owner of a boxster asked me if i was interested in buying a boxster :)

he wanted to get a new z but he did not like the price the dealer had offered for his boxster.

Nothin' wrong with a Boxster!

yeah, i think it depends on the individual. for me, i like the design of the z better than the designs of the boxster and cayman, although i have no doubt that the porsches are great driving cars.

The first gen was under-powered. Nowadays, no more. I believe the 911, the Cayman, and the Boxster share the same engine (same torque, same hp).

I never like the Boxster until the Spyder came out. :happydance:

911 has the better/more powerful engine.

I know half a dozen women who drive them that agree with you too.

I was just thinking that :icon17:

So the 370Z Roadster must be for chicks too considering how they are in the same class.

I see plenty of girls in Z's, AMG's, ///M cars, 'vettes, Cobra's, etc.

I don't believe there is a such thing as a chick car as it relates to enthusiast cars. Late-model celicas, scions, etc... those are best driven by chicks.

But the MX5, Boxster, TT, etc are all fun cars and you are not any less "manly" for driving one. Enthusiasts get it.

When I got out of my pickup truck phase and back into sportier cars, I bought a 2001 Celica. I got some teasing, but still liked the car :ugh2:.

Did you at least tint the windows real dark? :bowrofl:

:rofl2:

No, just pulled a hat down real low over my face to avoid embarrassment. Kinda made it hard to drive...

I traded it in after less than 2 years on an RX-8. No one accused THAT of being a chick car (except of course the driver of any car that had even a little bit of torque).

Just because you don't believe it, doesn't make it true!

Yup :tup:

I always thought of the RX8 as girly and the RX7 as manly. Maybe because I only see girls in RX8's. But then, I tend to only see girls in 'vettes, M3's, on and on. Maybe I just don't remember/look at men driving vehicles?

I actually had a gay guy tell me my ram-air WS6 was a chic car. Was serious. I didn't think it was anything of the sort. It looked like every known penile-compensation feature rolled into 1 vehicle. Spoiler? Check. Massive ram-air? Check. Manual transmission? Check. V8? Check. Black interior/exterior? Check. Chrome rims? Check.

Who's to say?

I guess just about anything can be...a chic car...

YouTube - 2011 Chevrolet Corvette ZO6

we can establish that ferrari is a chic car -- in china :)

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If I had the money for a Cayman-S I'd just hold my z for 1-2 years and get myself a GTR!
>:D
Bang for bucks hands down

I guess cars become "chick cars" when 50% (plus or minus) of a model, are seen driven by them. Name brands are very important to women so Porsche Boxter, Mazda Miata, all BMW and Mercedes convertibles, seem to be on their list. Nissan 370Z is not yet on that list, although it may become one.

I wish I could find the "Two and a half men " episode where a character buys a Porsche (Boxter), and the rest of the episode some body tells him my wife, girlfriend or daughter drives one too.
Episode title: That Old Hose Bag Is My Mother. Tu.tv - Videos de Entretenimiento - Video: two and a half men 2x22 Subtitulado Sorry this was the best I could find.

The last three Caymens I've seen were driven by mature women.