I definitely wouldn't, very bad debt load even if single. About the highest that is financial sound is 50% of your gross income. Obviously you could go higher if you have very little in the way of expenses and are good at saving money. The more you make the more your wife seems to spend so cash in the pocket doesn't directly go up. :) I usually squirrel away my end of year bonus and use part of it to fund the year's track expenses, some mods etc, and use the rest to pay down debt or invest.

yah, 150k does not buy you much.

Hahaha, that is totally Aveo money.

Supposedly, this is true. However, I rarely see this being the case or being a problem. That would mean everyone who owns a new Z, the minimum income is around 60K gross. I doubt that.

I draw my limit at price of the car within 10% of annual gross income. That's just what I feel comfortable with. Then again, I just rent, and have no bills but utilities and food/gas, etc.

aveo on a lease money. :rofl2:

I said financially sound, however as a country we are not known for taking the best financial advise :p Yes, 50% is a bit generalistic, a single guy can afford much more than a married guy with a mortgage, wife and kids.

No doubt! If I had kids/wife/gf/whatever, I wouldn't even be on this forum. I would be puttering around in a 10-year-old Ford Exlpoder or something.

I think financially sound is knowing your budget and living within in. How you allocate your budget is up to you/based on personal priorities. Many people in my position would buy a house. I don't want a house in this state, so I am buying a car because I won't move for a couple more years, anyway, but not long enough for the house to be a smart call. It's all about personal situation.

Well,

1. I have one mortgage.
2. No wife
3. 2 kids
4. I do my own home remodeling.
5. No gardener.
6. No pool guy.
7. I service all 7 vehicles.
8. ...... I think I am lean (maybe a tight-w????) :)

Nice upgrade, how'd this go?
You should get this in white or black!
I've seen this car in white and man >:]
The owner complimented me on the Z also.
But I know deep down inside he was like RICER!

Sorry for the mis-lead, I didn't say I wouldn't get the Porsche, I meant I wouldn't get the $250K car as mentioned by another poster. And your list sounds like mine except I have 2 mortgages (one as a landlord), a wife and 6 vehicles.

Oh no, you did not mislead me; thus, no need for the sorry. :)

If you are paying $250K for a used 997 GT2...

Just found this article online: The Year's Worst-Selling Cars - Forbes.com
Cayman is one of the worse selling cars of 2010 - there should be lots of deals, especially as we get late in December.

I said this in the gt vs z thread too

If you want a cayman get the cayman if u want the z get the z if u got the z and now want the cayman get the cayman if u got the caymen and now want a z get a z.....zzzzzzzzz this is such a tired thread. Get what you want.. but cayman sounds like gaymen to me

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What happens if I want a Cayman GT Z? :p

then you need to be making more dinero.

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Lmao. Go on a cayman forum and ask them what you should get too.

Maintenance and parts are a killer for porkies.

i own a 993 btw.

I rode in a TPC turbo charged Cayman and that was one of the most amazing cars I have ever experienced; it was amazing how nice the car felt running at those power levels, however I have not rode in a TT370Z yet so I cannot compare.

i'd take a Cayman R in avocado green:yum:

That would be ridden not rode. No problem!

I don't know where you guys live but theres no way a person could lease or even finance an Aveo for that price range.

I stand corrected, finals week has obviously taken a toll on me!

Life is a series of trade-offs.
 

Yes. I drove a Cayman S extensively on back country roads. I would say it had a huge advantage over the Z I now own, but it definitely had a nicer ride, was arguably more nimble/agile, felt more luxurious and gripped like a cheetah. Pretty impressive, but so is the Z.

I got the Z because it does many of those things quite well, some nearly as well, and the Cayman would have been a stretch for me. The Cayman is still a dream car for me because of the whole of its "positives", but it is important to balance all of these factors. Not to do so is a possible set-up for hardship and worry later. My 2 cents. :driving:

Nicer ride, meaning more comfortable? Less noise? I thought the cayman s was very loud w the engine behind you

This is one reason I went 370. I wanted a cost effective car that could come close to a CS in performance and driving experience. If my old RX8 had 50 more horses and 20 more pound feet of torque, I would have kept it. The Z was the perfect fit for me. Now, I can keep the wife's CX7, the Z, and get that 3 row SUV we need.

The 370Z does so many things that the Cayman does that it's hard not to choose the Z, I would imagine, unless you hate nissan, or love porsche, or are all about a name. I am sure there are many intangibles, but the Z's I drove felt great to me. Of course, this is coming from an old Trans Am with a ton of issues. Still, Porsche needs to up the game with their DI 6-banger in that car. There is a ton of technology in that engine for the power it's producing.

:iagree: I just refinanced my loan to take advantage of lower rates, and my '09 base with sport came in at $30,800 retail. Now you won't get that in trade, but I think $22.5 is a little too low.

In all honesty and full disclosure, I paid $29K, cash, before taxes. The car is just a base with aero-package ($600.00) The only thing that the car needs at the present time would be new tires. I figured that if I get $23K (+ $1,000 in tires), my actual trade in is $24K.

Might be bad mathematics as I am excluding taxes, but I figure that my actual selling price is $25,000.00 (self-justification :roflpuke2:)

Yea, the good news is the cars are holding their own so far as used book values go, but the reality is if you negotiate well, you can get a new one for the same price as retail used. If you are happy with the deal I'd go for it. You could always ask for a little more and back down if they won't budge.

Oh, and I happen to love the Caymen S. A good friend of mine had one, before the recession caused a downturn in his business. They are great cars. I think the 370 is a better bang for the buck, and he agreed as well. I think the way to go is a mint low mileage used Caymen S, let someone else take the depreciation and get a good deal.

I got about $24k for my Z on trade. It had it nearly two years. Sport/Touring 16k miles. It was a little low, but we're just starting winter, the economy is still in the shitt*r so I really didn't think I'd be able to get a whole lot more private party, if it sold at all. I looked at all of the closed out E-bay auctions and there were very few selling anywhere for over $26k.

Every comparo I've read puts the Cayman ahead of the Z, even if their numbers on paper are nearly identical. Let us know what happens.

.....and you had the "Sports/Touring". Mine is just base --- so I think we all somewhat agree that my actual trade is fair or fair+ :)

Based on the time of year and the market I think it's fair. So here is the current list of closed auctions. 28 closed auctions, TWO sold. One just like mine at $24,786 and a NISMO for $29,999. Some dumbfukker has a 2009 listed at $39K! :roflpuke2:

http://motors.completed.shop.ebay.co...c0.m283&_rdc=1


Oops, I missed this one, just like yours, a 2009 purchased in 2010. Sold for $24,100.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2009-...item3cb33e7adf

This is why I traded, too much BS selling private party and no real increase in sale price.

Thanks for confirming that my analysis of the market is correct.

I have never seen an S for $40k. non-s are in the high 30s. Maybe end of 2011, the first gen S could hit high 30s or low 40s.

I didn't think it was that loud, but I was working pretty hard and pretty excited as well. By nicer ride, I mean a supple, planted, sticky feeling; great handling/cornering but not at all jarring. However, I cannot remember if it had more, less or the same amount of body roll as our car. But most people who get into cars are going to make mods in the area of suspension, bars, etc., anyway. :driving:

Exactly. And I, also, loved my RX-8 and wished for the extra power.

One thing that I never see discussed in the forums that extends this conversation about relative value and what we can afford: If I were driving a nice Cayman S, I would probably hesitate to track it much, worrying that a hairy accident would damage a big investment. And I know I would be obsessing more in parking lots and stuff.

Don't get me wrong: I would still love to have that car. But we got such a great deal. Who else makes a car like this at this price? No one. :driving:

http://www.aftermarketcarparts.biz/w...rd-mustang.jpg
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