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Guard Dad 12-09-2010 12:03 AM

Gas pedal piviot issues.
 
Hey, I can't be the only one on this forum who thinks that Nissan made a mistake pivoting the gas pedal on the bottom (just like my Mom's 1964 Chrysler New Yorker) instead of on the top like most sports cars. Has anyone tried to reverse it?

fairladyZ34 12-09-2010 12:05 AM

the whole accelerator pedal is floor mounted, not fire wall mounted. id imagine no one has tried or will try.

KillerBee370 12-09-2010 12:07 AM

It's never bothered me. What would be the point of switching it?

Guard Dad 12-09-2010 12:17 AM

Could be just me, but I find a top pivot pedal easier to modulate because the arc-of-travel of a top pivot gas pedal more closely matches the arc-of-travel of the brake pedal (and clutch pedal if you got one of those). I find it distracting to have to constantly adjust to the two different pedal movements, something I never seemed to have to do on top pivot gas pedals.

import111 12-09-2010 12:36 AM

I agree, I don't like the way the 370Z gas pedal is set up...not enough to change it at the moment though.

Guard Dad 12-09-2010 12:41 AM

I guess I'm going to have to check this out and see what it might take to make the change. My guess is it will be either super easy or super hard. Opinions?

280z/300zx 12-09-2010 12:45 AM

Honestly this was something I was worried about when I first got the car but after a couple days I totally forgot about it. I don't even notice the difference going between my different cars now. I've got a 77 280z, 84 300zx, and my girl has a 2010 camaro SS 6-speed. The only thing I have to adjust for when switching cars is the clutch as they are all different. In regards to the gas pedal I don't even notice it.

Guard Dad 12-09-2010 10:37 AM

You're right, it's not a big deal, but like many members here, I want the car to reflect my preferences and I'm prepared to go the extra mile to achieve that end.

ClemsonWill 12-09-2010 10:58 AM

It was odd for me at first. I don't even notice it now and I switch between my DD and the Z all the time.

ChrisSlicks 12-09-2010 11:33 AM

The pedal is a self contained electronic unit. You can theoretically reposition it anywhere you want provided you do so without modification to the pedal itself.

kenchan 12-09-2010 11:38 AM

ive gotten use to the organ pedal from my MINI days. but yes, it did force me to use the side of my foot instead of my heel to heel and toe. but then with SRM i dont do that even. lol hahaha.

it's okay for me.

ProfessorDave 12-09-2010 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 844421)
ive gotten use to the organ pedal from my MINI days. but yes, it did force me to use the side of my foot instead of my heel to heel and toe. but then with SRM i dont do that even. lol hahaha.

it's okay for me.

You've gotten soft, Ken!:icon17:

wilsonp 12-09-2010 05:18 PM

I find the brake / accelerator pedal transition awkward and I think it is partly because of the hinge on the bottom, and partly the height difference - not so easy to slide from light braking to slight acceleration or maybe it's the other way around :)

kenchan 12-09-2010 07:28 PM

^^ yah, the brake pedal is closer than the gas pedal and makes it a tad clumsy to slide your foot over to press.

butdamnbrian 12-09-2010 07:59 PM

hm... do 911 gas pedals still hinge on the bottom like the z's? i know they do in older 911 models..

zero 12-09-2010 08:05 PM

What is the real issue? :confused:

sonic370 12-09-2010 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guard Dad (Post 844000)
Could be just me, but I find a top pivot pedal easier to modulate because the arc-of-travel of a top pivot gas pedal more closely matches the arc-of-travel of the brake pedal (and clutch pedal if you got one of those). I find it distracting to have to constantly adjust to the two different pedal movements, something I never seemed to have to do on top pivot gas pedals.

:iagree:

ChrisSlicks 12-09-2010 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zero (Post 845378)
What is the real issue? :confused:

There is no issue, just personal preference. I like it the way it is.

chops 12-09-2010 09:15 PM

i for one enjoy the floor mounted accelerator

optiontrader 12-11-2010 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by butdamnbrian (Post 845371)
hm... do 911 gas pedals still hinge on the bottom like the z's? i know they do in older 911 models..

The Cayman I test drove had the same floor mounted gas pedal - I'd imagine most, if not all Porsche's do...

I for one like it; it makes heel/toe shifting easier - I don't have to twist my leg as much. Mebbe I'm cheating? :p

Chan Chee Hoe 12-11-2010 01:31 AM

Most German cars from the 70's[except Opel] is using this type of pedal.....but some Japanese model is following it,maybe for more comfort.?

AlienPrime 10-22-2013 12:38 PM

hate to revive an old thread, but i too do agree! Don't like it at all. Dont get the same feeling when downshifting and heal toeing :/

Tazicon 10-22-2013 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guard Dad (Post 844000)
Could be just me, but I find a top pivot pedal easier to modulate because the arc-of-travel of a top pivot gas pedal more closely matches the arc-of-travel of the brake pedal (and clutch pedal if you got one of those). I find it distracting to have to constantly adjust to the two different pedal movements, something I never seemed to have to do on top pivot gas pedals.

Wow never even noticed. Probably now that you bring it up it will drive me crazy just like the stickers on my sunvisors that never bothered me till someone brought it up.


Oh and yes my Cayman has it and maybe thats why I don't notice it in either car.

Arrvaxx 10-22-2013 12:56 PM

Isn't heel-toe kind of redundant with sync-rev?

kenchan 10-22-2013 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrvaxx (Post 2536916)
Isn't heel-toe kind of redundant with sync-rev?

it is. he must have the non-sport package trim.

i use the side of my foot to blip throttle on organ pedals. i learned that over 10yrs ago when i had my MINI cause that was my first car with the floor pivoting gas pedal.

just takes practice.

hell, even on traditional pedal setups i use the side of my foot since i dont need the full braking power on street.

Arrvaxx 10-22-2013 01:17 PM

Oh...my bad, duh.

4r3s 10-22-2013 02:18 PM

I wonder what the reasoning behind where they put the pivot point is. I was doing a little bit of googling and didn't find much but it does appear that fly by wire accelerators tend to typically have the pivot point at the bottom because that is where the electronics are that send the engine the data. I don't see why that couldn't be moved in a design but it also appears that higher end car manufacturers are trending to the pivot point at the bottom as well. There must be some reason this performs better otherwise why would they go there?

4r3s 10-22-2013 02:21 PM

and now I find one that has the electronics at the top
Lokar: Drive-By-Wire Electronic Throttle Control Pedal Assembly

4r3s 10-22-2013 02:29 PM

Ah right. I forgot about recent history with Toyota and stuck gas pedals. Move the pivot point to the bottom and you shouldn't be able to have a floor mat cause any stuck pedals.

I was hoping for a more fun reason than lawyers.

Haboob 10-22-2013 03:04 PM

Feels better than the other kinds, IMO.

kenchan 10-22-2013 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4r3s (Post 2537024)
Ah right. I forgot about recent history with Toyota and stuck gas pedals. Move the pivot point to the bottom and you shouldn't be able to have a floor mat cause any stuck pedals.

I was hoping for a more fun reason than lawyers.

:icon18:

yah, my G is drive by wire but has the traditional pedals. same with my honda fit.

im use to driving either pedal style so i dont really care, but i did have issues with my current all season floor mat getting into the way of the travel of my pedal on my fit. i had to cut a slit in the floor mat so that the pedal will have full stroke. with the Z's organ pedal, no such issue. :tup:

OldGuy 10-22-2013 05:00 PM

Huh? This is all about something I've never even noticed. Off to another thread...

Haboob 10-22-2013 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldGuy (Post 2537164)
Huh? This is all about something I've never even noticed. Off to another thread...


Right? Gas pedal has two positions: 0 and floor.

Tazicon 10-22-2013 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2537190)
Right? Gas pedal has two positions: 0 and floor.

Love it!

scope22 10-23-2013 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guard Dad (Post 844000)
Could be just me, but I find a top pivot pedal easier to modulate because the arc-of-travel of a top pivot gas pedal more closely matches the arc-of-travel of the brake pedal (and clutch pedal if you got one of those). I find it distracting to have to constantly adjust to the two different pedal movements, something I never seemed to have to do on top pivot gas pedals.

Hanging from top is much easier, i find myself adjusting my foot but you get used to it after a while.

Haboob 10-23-2013 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scope22 (Post 2538507)
Hanging from top is much easier, i find myself adjusting my foot but you get used to it after a while.


I honestly can't tell any difference between the two pedal types.

Though, I prefer the looks of the floor-mounted pedal (like we have in the Z).

YzGyz 10-23-2013 06:05 PM

I almost can't stand this mounted pedal! I was so torn when I was looking for a car. I like the Z but not the gas. I had such a hard time shifting. I even stalled once. Like wth!!! Even after 4 months and 5k miles, the pedal still feels a little odd. I also think the pedal needs to stand a little more vertical. It feels like a really far reach when I floor it. I drive with the ball of my foot. I had never planted my whole foot on the gas pedal until owning this car.

Haboob 10-23-2013 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YzGyz (Post 2538616)
I almost can't stand this mounted pedal! I was so torn when I was looking for a car. I like the Z but not the gas. I had such a hard time shifting. I even stalled once. Like wth!!! Even after 4 months and 5k miles, the pedal still feels a little odd. I also think the pedal needs to stand a little more vertical. It feels like a really far reach when I floor it. I drive with the ball of my foot. I had never planted my whole foot on the gas pedal until owning this car.


I still drive with the ball of my foot/toes with this gas pedal. :confused:

I dunno, maybe I have long feet?

kenchan 10-23-2013 06:48 PM

im fine with either pedal, but i think the Z's pedal looks good especially with the metal finish. :p i had to replace mine to the 'touring' pedals cause my car came with the boring black plastic and rubber pedal covers. :ugh:

Tazicon 10-23-2013 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YzGyz (Post 2538616)
I almost can't stand this mounted pedal! I was so torn when I was looking for a car. I like the Z but not the gas. I had such a hard time shifting. I even stalled once. Like wth!!! Even after 4 months and 5k miles, the pedal still feels a little odd. I also think the pedal needs to stand a little more vertical. It feels like a really far reach when I floor it. I drive with the ball of my foot. I had never planted my whole foot on the gas pedal until owning this car.

If you knew this was an issue why did you buy the car? Only my Jeep doesnt have a floor mounted accellerator. After this whole issue has been brought up I actually like the floor mounted better. Guess I am used to them.


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