very true... i drove a z06 and a couple of c6. although they are light, but they certainly didn't feel that way. in pros hands vettes are really fast on the tracks. but i don't like the way they handled, or the way the car responds to driver's input. coming from evos, vette's steering feels numb and lazy. in no way im suggesting they don't handle well, it's just i didn't enjoy it.

i didn't like the way 350z handled either, sold my brand new 350z after 2 months of ownership and lost pants on it... engine response nothing like a sports car, handled like a boat. hopefully 370z is a big improvement...

Say what?:icon14:

Still not getting your Canadian joke. I am the last person you would find there. Socialism sucks.

Yes, the engine is nice, but BMW did that back in 2003. Porsche gets over 400 from their 6-banger, BMW just evolved in a different direction is all.

Still, it's a 332bhp engine. Who cares how wonderfully it's crafted? Its not the most reliable, and it is behind the times in the power department for the car it's in. I guess if you just want to look at it/stare at spread-sheets, that's fine. Appreciate it for the work of art that it is. I am more interested in how the car feels when I floor it.

Looking through your posting history, it seems you're really obsessed with pointing out how disappointing the 370Z is on a forum full of people happy with their car. We get it. It's not fast or powerful enough for you. Who are you trying to convince?

Nevermind man...

Porsche has a FLAT 6. Very different and more suitable to making power when compared to V or I 6's. What nissan has done IS amazing.

Read up more on BMW, you will see why they changed direction. They needed to step up to the 8 to be more competitive. The I6 in the E46 was the best they could do (CSL notwithstanding).

It is not behind the times in terms of power. The Z is NOT a mucscle car. It is a sports car. As such it is right there with the TT RS, Cayman/Cayman S/1 M coupe/Genesis, etc.

And how do you know the VQ37VHR is not reliable? I could say the same about the Z06's engine. I have 'read' a few thread about their engines going kaboom. I guess the few stories I have read makes it true. Same with the RX8. People that did not know how to care for a Rotary and needed engine replacements made the engne unreliable. I never had any problems from mine.

Enjoy whatever ride makes you smile and do not knock others. :driving: Do not be a hater, but then again.... Haters will hate.

FYI for everyone, per the article on Yahoo, BMW's reliability is down the tube along with MB.

Article was from last night! Cheers!

What mustang are you comparing the interior sound to, endgame? I'm certain that a db test would show the Z to be a good bit louder than a 2011 mustang in the cockpit. For one the Z has NO sound deadening at all and its a hatch car with big wheel wells right behind the driver.

Ask Modshack, Red, myself, etc. and we'll all tell you the same thing. The car is very quiet compared to a Z stock for stock.

Now my 2003 GT... that was a different story.

Fwiw I don't see any reason to question the reliability of the VQ... as long as you maintain it properly it will go on and on just like most anything else.

endgame, have you driven the 350z? how would you compare the 370 to a 350?

Pretty sure BMW changed direction because it just made the most sense. They probably could have extracted more from the 6, they just happened to realize they could pull more power out of a V8, while saving weight. Additionally, they were having racing success with the 8-- not so much with their I6.



No doubt, their recent stuff hasn't been up to par. My 540i has ~200k on the clock though, and is still driving strong.
No doubt. I think many people still have the reputation of the older mustangs in their mind, and haven't realized how much of a change there has been.

According to Consumer Reports, the M3 isn't doing too bad.

Consumer Reports: Most reliable cars - Sporty car: Porsche Boxster (4) - CNNMoney.com

did you actually read the link you posted?

"The BMW M3, which ranked third in the reliability survey, is not recommended because the magazine has not tested it. Other versions of the BMW 3-series are recommended, though."

Im ok with it for now:tup:

I am referring to the 2010. My 02 was pretty noisy, but my 370Z is no louder than the 2010.....

Yes. What they mean is: "We have a lot of data showing us the car is reliable, but since we have not driven it, we can't tell you how much fun/not fun/ etc. it is to drive, so we can't tell you to go buy it. What we can tell you, is that those who have have had good luck with it lasting."

I thought the same as you until I realized that 1 press-car doesn't = a reliability study, and the reliability study was a survey of many cars.

The 2010 mustang and the 2002 mustang are worlds apart. I worked for Ford (sales) in 2005 when they switched over. Drove the new, drove the old. Wow.