They did cut costs. The new mustang uses a lot the design that the '05 did. The 'vette remains majorly unchanged since '05, and Dodge. Well, I don't feel like talking about them, Chrysler stuff usually is sub-par in most "quality" categories, and the one car that wasn't, died this year.

Nissan spent money re-doing their car. Ford and GM just spent a little money re-vamping the old, except for Ford's Coyote engine, which is just the 5.0 "cammer" plus a few tweaks that has been around for over a decade.

Yes the Nissan engine has more technology. Yay for it. It also makes the least power of the 6.2L or the 5.0L, gets worse gas mileage, and isn't any more reliable than its competators.

the Z06 is in a completely different category than any Z or Mustang, including the GT 500 which almost weighs 2 tons

Used Z06's are the same price as new 370's, and most are garage queens. This makes them a consideration I think.

i meant performance wise
honestly if anyone could get a C6 Z06 in good condition for the price of a Z or Mustang, it seems to me like an obvious choice
the car weighs around 3100 lbs and has over 500HP

They are there for the taking. People just don't think about that kind of stuff. I know when I was in college, I had a ram-air Trans Am. Even teachers said snide things about "my expensive car" when I complained that books ran what they did. In truth, the girls with the civic's and base mustangs paid more for their ride than I did. Got the car in great shape for $12K. People thought I paid a lot more. I have found that most are not interested in, or even understand, how to "get a deal" and just take everything at face-value. My former roommate had a loaded out '04 C5. He hit the same steriotype. Car cost $24K--about what a used Accord a year or two old ran if it had any decent options.

As I've lived with both let me tell you that both the Z and Mustang have their creaks and squeaks and bumps. My Z had some really annoying hatch rattle, passenger door rattle, and ECU whine. So far the Mustang only has a little rattle from the rear over bumps.

Stock for stock the Mustang is MUCH quieter than the Z. There is a lot of sound deadening built in. So much, in fact, that they had to use some silly sound-tube contraption to pump engine noise into the cabin.

I'm not saying this is a plus/minus... just stating that, stock, this thing is almost as quiet as a Lexus. :icon17:

I think it is a little odd to talk about sports cars in terms of 0-60. It could be just the way times are changing. I certainly had no interest in drag race quarter miles when I went Z shopping. Of course I don't track the car. In my view the Z excels in:

1. Plenty of power to accelerate in spirited driving.
2. Wonderful handling at any speed I dare drive (so far that is 110mph)
3. Easy and forgiving in evasive moves. An 18 wheeler didn't see me in the left lane and nearly ran me over. But the Z responded instantly to an 80mph hard left to the shoulder.
4. Lots of fun to drive.

I wouldn't add any power bolt-on's. It's fine for me as is. I did add a backup cam, SS brake lines and DOT 5.1 fluid, and a very good radar detector.

to much power makes a car less reliable... my bro learned that the hard way... i came from a corrolla so im just fine with the Z plus its just dam sexy

Bottom line is drive whatever makes you happy. I don't care if that means you must drive a Prius. :D

i like the prius.

Hey if you don't mind, could you please share the article (if its on digits)? I love reading those sorts of things.

A quick Google finds:
http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/DOCU...0713VVEL-e.pdf

I also read this article and watched the Nissan animated presentations:
Nissans 370Z VQ37VHR

NISSAN | TECHNOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES | Overview | VVEL (Variable Valve Event and Lift system)

And, after seeing all that, I decided I definitely needed an extended warranty for the 370Z :D

This.


Also thank you for those links to autotrader with those Z06's.. Very cheap, too bad AZ prices aren't that good :/ I may have to go out of state for one.

Nissans VHR engine is unique.. I have a feeling once VVEL is cracked the car will see some big power.

I will see if I can find it and will definately post it.

M4A1 - Wow, my Z has none of those creeks yours did and is definitely more quiet than the Stangs. Interesting.

And Import Convert - I think we should just agree to disagree on a few of your points... I think what Nissan did with a V6 is outstanding. Look at BMW, they could not get any more from their I6 in the M3 and had to go to the 8. Nissan's work if outstanding.

In the end, get what makes you happy. And stay out of Canada Import Convert! lol.

But just keep in mind the Z06 is the most difficult to drive of the 3....