Mostly it is like a Honda but expensive at the dealer. Lots of info at NSX Prime so you can see what you are getting into. Of course, there is always the occasional lemon - I spent $4k - $9k a year keeping mine running, counting OEM tires but mostly new parts at the dealer.

I tested the gencoupe. And there are a few things I like about it over the G37. The gencoupe definately feels more tossable than the G, though the G is more precise. I'm comfy in G seats but I'm 6ft and 170lean pounds. If ur a wide dude, those seats just don't cut it. The gencoupe seat design is leagues better than most sport coupes out there. I gotta give hyundai that much. If they switched to some kind of dual clutch tranny? I think the winner of the affordable sports cars would be the gencoupe. I'm just being honest.
But, where I find flaws is in overall interior quality (though not bad, I'm used to infinit quality), the plain grille and the 6at is not geared well for a sports car. I actually needed a auto so I had to go with the most aggressive auto out there.
I tested a lot of automatic sports cars... corvette and camaro are pretty good though not the best trannies. 2011 bmw 135I 7dct is sick with it. I think it rivals the Z in fun factor. Only thing is that electronic lsd sucks. Bmw has an aftermarket covered physical LSD, but, you looking at $5,000 installed. BMW quality aftermarket parts are thru the roof and this is my main reason for not liking bimmer. I can get cheaper quality parts for a porsche. That doesn't make sense to me.

I haven't driven it yet but I would luv to test drive a porsche cayman pdk. I have driven the tiptronic. The Z's tranny feels more aggressive than the tip but I bet the pdk takes it to new levels. That will be my next test.

im still wondering how the genesis keeps somehow getting compared to the Z and other cars that are clearly beyond its class... they're cheap, underpowered, look like an updated Tiburon, no technological advances to speak of, and weigh more than Shumbys girlfriend. Lets stop the comparos yeah?

Fiend of mine had one and the clutch pad was $3000. That's not to install, just the price of the part.

a 2.0t gen coupe could become a nasty beast if the right things are done... ive seen one with over 400 whp already with about 4k into it.

I was very unimpressed with the cayman cabin - I didn't drive it because I could not imagine spending any time in there over the Z

I am not a big guy at all but the bottom seat bolsters on the G37 were way uncomfortable.

I drove the BMW 335IS and the DCT awesome but not sure if it is awesome enough to warrant spending twice as much as the Gen Coupe.

Side by side comparisons the Gen Coupe looses in a few categories, but what I need to ask myself is once you drive it off the lot and you are finished with the side by side comparisons, is it a good fun car to drive every day. I think the answer may be yes, and that surprises me.

My father-in law has a NSX. And that was the same issue, clutch was crazy expensive, but other than that it's been a great toy for him. He only puts about 1500 miles a year on it, so I guess you have to take that into consideration.

It's something like 100lbs heavier then the Z with a longer wheelbase and backseats. I would hardly call it heavy.

I can't speak for others, but I am comparing it to the Z because my requirement for a new car is, something comfortable, fast and a fun car to drive and they both fall in that category.

You may one to take one for a drive before you continue to bash it.

I've had a 370 and now drive a 5.0, I think i'll pass on that Hyundai trash:ugh2:

and as far as the weight is concerned, I was comparing it to the 3.8L, which performance wise, is more on par with the Z.

you can build the engine and replace the turbo for 4k? i've read quite a bit about that 2.0 and manufacturers are hard pressed to pull any kind of power out of it at all, I believe it was import tuner that did a test and tune with it and with about 3k worth of parts, pulled out an astounding 30whp!!

might wanna look elsewhere, because it doesnt come close to fitting the bill for fast, 2.0 or 3.8. It may be fun, but thats subjective. If you want something fast and cheap and would have room in the back for a soccer team and groceries, look into a mazdaspeed 3.

5.0 also a great car and on my short list.
You should just take a glance at the Hyundai, it's far from trash.
The interior is actually much nicer then the 5.0 (which I do like)

never claimed the 5.0's interior was great, it sucks actually. I've never been one for interiors anyways, im a performance guy and like I said, if its fun and speed that you want, you might want to cross shop at MS3 as well. Hyundai left a sour taste in my mouth after my ex and I owned a Sonata, worst car i've ever owned. They may have upped their quality since then, but i'm just not a fan of the looks of the genesis. You might also want to take a look at the FT-86 when it comes out.

Performance on the 5.0 is awesome, but I drove the gen and it was good enough. I will never take a car to the track and could care less who can beat me at a red light, I've matured past that

FT-86 looks great but if I keep waiting for the next best, I will never get a car.

I think you've already convinced yourself that you're going with the genesis, no problem there man, its your money in the end. But i'll say this, whatever car you end up with, i think you'd want something with alot of options to upgrade, both in styling and performance, right now the genesis aftermarket is moving along much much slower than the Z's, I have two coworkers, one with a red 2.0 and one with the 3.8, and I hear them complaining all the time about lack of support in the aftermarket, the 3.8 guy is even considering trading up for a 5.0.

I have absolutely no problem affording a G37. In fact, I highly considered getting one. I also considered the 135i and the Genesis Coupe. I ended up with the Z though.

I am a stock guy could care less about aftermarket parts
I just want to buy something - drive it and enjoy

370.

This conversation would be much less tense and much more logical if everyone who HAS NOT driven all the cars being argued would take a hike.

I tested them all. The G, the Gen, the 370, the 135, the 335. They all have strong points and weak points. Seriously, don't bash a car you know nothing about based on the 92 Excel or your friend's car or what you heard.

One thing that I think the Gen Coupe does better then all the other cars is their website
If you have not seen it, check it out. Very cool. Make sure you turn on the driver radio in the lower right corner
Hyundai Genesis Coupe: Affordable Performance 300+hp Sport Coupe | Hyundai

Well what do you figure. 2 weeks later, I'm in an intricate position.

I was just offered to take up my lease on my Genesis Coupe 3.8, which I accepted.

I'm now car shopping again.

List:
G37S 7AT
135i M-Sport DCT
370Z 6MT
Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track (GT up here)
Subaru STI 2011

I tried all the above yesterday.

370Z:
I have no real intention of going with a 2 seater, but I had to test drive the 370Z. I stand by what I said, the Genesis Coupe and Z should not be compared. The Z is simply in a another league of focus. You are literally sitting on the floor boards and your legs parallel to the floor as well. There is next to no visibility out the back and in front, the hood takes a **** load of place, I could barely see the apex'es and I'm 6"1.

The engine is in another world compared to the Lambda 3.8. You can clearly see how the drivetrain has been lightened to allow crystal clear throttle response. It is truly amazing. The way the motor constantly wants to rev is impressive as well, massive torque from 4,000 to 7,500 is blood amazing. A downside to the high revs is the vibration, wow, at high RPMs it's even worse than a Subaru boxer.

The 370Z is a no compromise, focused sports car and I really don't see how one could DD this car. No visiblity, road comfort comparable to my GC on 10/12 coilovers, limited space and high road noise make it a no-no for me. Anyone looking for a second car should take a second look at the Z before going with a Z4 or Cayman. For close to half the price, it's an amazing weekend warrior.

G37 7AT

Beside the 370Z, there was a silver G37S, freshly cleaned. It was truly beautiful, better looking IMO than a GC in stock form, it is far more classy thanks to the chrome add-ons. I was a bit underwhelmed by the tire sizes, I feel a 3600,3700 lbs car should have wider tires and it showed during the test drive.

The interior is great, you can clearly see Infiniti didn't have to cut corners to meet its price tag, versus the Hyundai. Out on the drive, the 7AT is butter smooth and very quick, the 1-2-3 shifts were close, which crooked my perspective of speed. It felt faster than it really was, the Z was completely the opposite.

Let's face it, even in S trim, this car isn't the best handling car of the group. A Genesis Coupe 3.8 feels more nimble and the steering feel and feedback is better. It felt heavy, and it is, no surprises there. Where the G37 is better is clearly in the power and drive train.

There are no major faults to this car, but all in all, I still think it is 10% better than the GC for 33% more. It's a striking 200$ per month additional up here and in my eyes, not worth it.

I loved the G37, my biggest gripe with it were the seats. The bottom bolsters we just uncomfortable. I can't imagine driving an hour in them.

I have a twisted perspective on things. I grew up driving light, 2-seat apex carvers. Imo, the "DD" requirements are a tad overrated. I mean, I don't mind an aching butt and lower back because of low seats and firm suspension. I couldn't care less about road noise. Limited visibility is an issue, but it just means that you have to know the vehicle's limits and drive very carefully in select situations. I also ignore the complaint of DD'ing a manual transmission car in heavy traffic. I still prefer the level of control in a manual.

Why? Because I prefer fun to practicality.

Yeah no kidding. I daily drive this thing and have found it's actually more comfortable than my Altima. Granted it's not much for storage, but my briefcase fits perfectly behind the passenger seat and it's all I need for work or school. In my opinion it's the perfect daily driver.

I think the 370Z makes a fine DD compared to my NSX (louder, Bilstein shocks - rougher and lower) or my MR-2 SC with the HKS Rally suspension (way louder, and way stiffer).

When I first drove the 370Z I thought it was too soft - I still think the suspension is a tad bouncy.

I should add that I live in Quebec, where 4 meters of snow a year is expected and we are the kings of pot holes. The Z is extremely low to the ground with the front chin already rubbing on steep entrances.

If I lived in CA, I'd certainly rock a Z year long!

That is a neat presentation. It's pretty fun messing with all the camera angles on the track video, and listening to the driver's feedback. The dramatic classical music in the background while the car does donuts... I'm not sure if that was meant to be taken seriously or if they're poking fun at themselves.

Hyundai's main website, though, leaves much to be desired. I have a hard time finding exactly what I'm looking for---specs, comparing trim lines, etc. And you can't search local inventory on the site. You have to go to individual dealer websites to check their inventory.

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The other day test drove a 3.8 R-Spec and a 370Z sport pkg. The GenCoupe was a fun drive, with plenty of power, sporty handling, and a relatively upscale interior. It felt like it needed some more sophisticated shock absorbers to keep up with the track-tuned springs, though. The ride was at times even worse than my MS3 (w/ RSB, worn out shocks & tires). I also wasn't keen on the bright blue dash backlighting. And I felt like I was breaking something trying to shift into reverse. There's no "push in" or "pull collar" to unlock the reverse gear. You just pull it hard to the left until it pops in. It's a huge step for Hyundai into sporty car relevance, and a great value, but the only improvement I see in it over my MS3 is RWD vs FWD---not enough to give up the full package the MS3 offers.

The 370z, by comparison, feels like a real sports car---a better performance machine in every respect. I know I said the Lambda 3.8 has plenty of power, but more is always better, right? And the low-effort clutch pedal, direct-action shifter, and synchro-rev-matching made it the best manual transmission experience I've ever had. I was a little worried when the salesman was driving---I guess he was trying to impress me by short-shifting every gear. But behind the wheel it was child's play getting smooth upshifts and downshifts every time. I didn't realize the S-R-M system works on upshifts, too. And perhaps because of it's lighter weight, better chassis stiffness, and weight balance, it felt more planted in the turns and yet rode more comfortably than the Coupe.

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I had a similar experience when I was about to buy a Mazda3 5-door. Before I sat down at the negotiating table, I figured I should test drive the Mazdaspeed model. The Speed3 was unequivocally better or equal in every way. And I knew I had to have it. I had to save up several more months to afford it, but it was worth the wait.

this is an excellent point. that's a huge practicality issue.

The only comparos people have made is a value comparo. No one ever said the Z and gen are direct comp. No one said the gen is equal to a G or bimmer. The only thing reviewers say is you can get a large portion of that performance in a gencoupe. Not all, but a good amount. The interior quality is on par with a camry or eclipse. Which is fair cuz its in the price range.
Its only real flaws is a iron and steel suspension and a cut rate tranny. Which is not great but for a first year sub30k sports car. Its expected. its the only rwd import in the price range. It has a better quality interior than mustang and camaro v6 and outperforms every gt v6 in its price range.the Z is another level, but its interesting to see where the gen holds up.
Most of u like bragging about how close a porsche and a Z are in performance.a top line Z is $42k. $47k in convert. A topline gen is $33k. Obviously for the 9k difference. Its a good car.
Lastly, by saying the car is cheap blah blah blah... ur making a comparo yourself.

Well to be fair, I live in Omaha, Nebraska where we get only about 1 meter of snow per year, but it stays on the ground for months at a time. Pot holes are pretty awful here as well, and I rub just about every driveway. It's doable since march/april to november/december you rarely have any snowfall, but considering your place of residence you should be looking at a Hummer H1!! 4 METERS??

See you in CA!!

Here what I think about the Gen Coup. M. Oldest son is 11 so in 5 yrs I should be able to pick up a Gen Coup for dirt cheap for my kid and if the factory warranty is transferable then it will still have 5 yrs of warranty left on it.

I think you should get him a miata, i hear the doors on them are bulletproof.

first car for a boy should be a beatup slow car so they wont kill themselves.

From what I've read, once the transfers, the warranty reduces to 5/60, the 10/100 is only to the original purchaser. So I think if u changed the owner name after 5 years, it would be void of warranty for owner 2. So let's say u transfer the car after 1 year. Instead of 9 years of warranty left, there would only be 4 years. Everything has a catch.

Slow car that's why I thought of the Gen Coup? Oh you meant something like a insite or prius.

yea let them get their car killing days out on a slow beatup car.

But slow doesn't dictate that the car cannot be some level of fun or unique.

I don't think that a kid necessarily needs some beater that will get them laughed at. In fact, a used Miata isn't a bad idea. It's not st00pid fast, but it is cool looking and fun to drive. A used gen coupe 4-cyl fits this as well imo.

The gencoupe 2.0 is slow enough. 0-60 in 6.8sec quarter mile in 15.4 seconds. It needs a new intake and BoV to get an extra second. So you can start them in a 2.0, then when they are good at driving, you can do some male bonding mods on the genny. I think the 2.0 is the perfect first sports car.

I guess it depends on how the will treat the car. I know I killed the first car I drove, between me and my brother I dont think there was a spot on the car that wasnt dented or scrapped or whatever. Now I baby the hell out of the cars inside and outside, but drive it semi hard.