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scorpion90 02-23-2009 05:51 PM

Buyer's Remorse
 
I have ordered my blue base auto Z with sports package. It's not coming in for awhile but I keep thinking maybe I should buy the touring edition with nav option.

For those of you that already have a 370Z, do you have any remorse about buying a different option or package? I'd like to learn from your experience if you had to do it all over again!

thanks for any replies that might help me be more comfortable with my choice. Of course if money wasn't an object, I would get the touring model.

ctzn 02-23-2009 05:54 PM

No regrets whatsoever about not getting the touring, as I don't need a single things that it comes with. There are always aftermarket nav systems if you feel that you really need one.

sbkim 02-23-2009 05:58 PM

Personally, I would NOT get the car without touring and Nav. Unless money is a factor, I would get them for resale value and just having all the amenities. I seriously doubt additional weight will hamper your peformance significantly.

Of course having said, spending $6k+ more for the same car (at least exterior appearance) is also hard to swallow. I can certainly see the argument for going base + peformance and throwing the $6k for performance mods...

m4a1mustang 02-23-2009 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sbkim (Post 34648)
Personally, I would NOT get the car without touring and Nav. Unless money is a factor, I would get them for resale value and just having all the amenities. I seriously doubt additional weight will hamper your peformance significantly.

Of course having said, spending $6k+ more for the same car (at least exterior appearance) is also hard to swallow. I can certainly see the argument for going base + peformance and throwing the $6k for performance mods...

Yeah, I'm the same. Wouldn't buy the car w/o the touring package. This is going to be my DD... it's not going to get tracked (well, maybe casually)... so I want it to be as nice as possible inside and out.

SoCal 370Z 02-23-2009 06:46 PM

We purchased the touring/sports package with no nav—no regrets. Matter of personal choice; I don't think you can go wrong with any of the combinations.

The good thing is that Nissan does not try to hinder a buyer of the base model through a dictated radio size, or anything else. They pretty much have made it where you can do whatever you wish to your Z.

alan93rsa 02-23-2009 07:32 PM

I bought a sport/touring 6 speed without nav. I would have taken mine either way. No regrets without the nav. I have a Garmin which I can put in any car.

FairmanZ 02-23-2009 07:37 PM

I don't buy the resale argument some use for getting the Touring. You spend 6K more for Touring with Nav, you won't get 6K back come resale time. If one keeps the car for 4 years or more, you might get 2K more at best all other things being equal.

I'm still undecided if I want the Touring. There are a few things I really want from the Touring, but a lot of things I don't really need or care about. Money isn't the issue for me. The trade-off on performance vs. luxury is. I do want every ounce of performance this car has to offer, so to me that's the Base + Sport.

And although money isn't the issue for me, it's still a factor in principal. At $33K the car is a sports car performance bargain. At near $40K, it's just another nice sports car.

ZforMe 02-23-2009 08:14 PM

I bought the base with sport and an auto. Absolutely no remorse. I would say I drive the car 90% of the time with the radio off, so no loss there (although I have to admit, for only 4 speakers, the base radio is pretty nice). I have an iphone, so the navi wouldn't have helped much more than what I can do with google maps (has already gotten me out of a few binds). I would've liked the leather and the homelink rear view mirror, but for the additional 4300 or so touring cost, definately not worth it. I bought a sports car, not a luxury car and I'm happy.

Feel free to rip me on the auto tranny, but it's exactly what I wanted.

theDreamer 02-23-2009 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ZforMe? (Post 34700)
I bought the base with sport and an auto. Absolutely no remorse. I would say I drive the car 90% of the time with the radio off, so no loss there (although I have to admit, for only 4 speakers, the base radio is pretty nice). I have an iphone, so the navi wouldn't have helped much more than what I can do with google maps (has already gotten me out of a few binds). I would've liked the leather and the homelink rear view mirror, but for the additional 4300 or so touring cost, definately not worth it. I bought a sports car, not a luxury car and I'm happy.

Feel free to rip me on the auto tranny, but it's exactly what I wanted.

It is what I am getting (auto with base and sport) and I wanted leather, but for 4k more it was not worth it. Plus I know a few places that will redo the seats for a fair price (1,000) and it will be exactly what colors I want. :)

sbkim 02-23-2009 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ZforMe? (Post 34700)
Feel free to rip me on the auto tranny, but it's exactly what I wanted.

Hey, there is nothing wrong with 7AT :) I am all about performance but this will also be my DD (except rain/snow) so comfort and luxury ranks high.

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Originally Posted by FairmanZ (Post 34682)
I don't buy the resale argument some use for getting the Touring. You spend 6K more for Touring with Nav, you won't get 6K back come resale time. If one keeps the car for 4 years or more, you might get 2K more at best all other things being equal.

I'm still undecided if I want the Touring. There are a few things I really want from the Touring, but a lot of things I don't really need or care about. Money isn't the issue for me. The trade-off on performance vs. luxury is. I do want every ounce of performance this car has to offer, so to me that's the Base + Sport.

And although money isn't the issue for me, it's still a factor in principal. At $33K the car is a sports car performance bargain. At near $40K, it's just another nice sports car.

Based on your basic math, $6k now for $2k, 4 yrs later isn't so bad considering depreciation and extra "utility" of having touring and nav. Also, we can underestimate the extra marketing edge of having touring and nav later vs a base car - could mean quicker sale later.

I am also not buying your extra "performance" over touring - come on, we are talking 46lbs.

At the end, it all comes down to what can you afford and willing to dish out for a Z. Either way, it's win win.

FairmanZ 02-23-2009 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sbkim (Post 34705)
Based on your basic math, $6k now for $2k, 4 yrs later isn't so bad considering depreciation and extra "utility" of having touring and nav. Also, we can underestimate the extra marketing edge of having touring and nav later vs a base car - could mean quicker sale later.

I am also not buying your extra "performance" over touring - come on, we are talking 46lbs.

At the end, it all comes down to what can you afford and willing to dish out for a Z. Either way, it's win win.

If one buys the Touring + Nav because that's what one wants, more power to 'em - nothing wrong with that. But to buy with the mindset of helping resale value is what I don't agree with. Cars are depreciating assets no matter how you spin it. The more you spend, the more you will lose in depreciation in the long run.

As for performance, yeah 46 lbs may not seem like a big deal. Yet there will be many trying to shave every bit of fat from the Z to get it lighter. Starting out with the Touring + Nav + 7spd AT starts you off automatically at a weight disadvantage. That’s the heaviest configuration model. You’ve got an added 46 for the Touring + 37 for the AT + more for the Nav.

Although Nissan marketing claims 46 lbs difference, I have a sneaky feeling once people get the cars on the scales the Touring will be even heavier. Nissan states the Base is 3232 lbs. Yet Car & Driver and MotorTrend weighed their test cars (Base + Sport) at 3350-3370 lbs. Add 46+ lbs more, means the Touring will be well over 3400 lbs!

But having said all this, I’m still personally torn between whether to get the Touring or Base. For me, it’s not about the money; I will be paying cash for the car either way. It basically comes down to what I want for my needs.

FricFrac 02-24-2009 12:06 AM

I think the Nav is not worth the extra cost. My friend just got a really nice Nav system for $300 including a touch screen, stereo, video, etc as well as a back up camera and sonar system for his '08 G35. That's the route I'd take and spend the 2K on performance, etc...

k.alexander 02-24-2009 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac (Post 34777)
I think the Nav is not worth the extra cost. My friend just got a really nice Nav system for $300 including a touch screen, stereo, video, etc as well as a back up camera and sonar system for his '08 G35. That's the route I'd take and spend the 2K on performance, etc...

Which Nav model did he get?

semtex 02-24-2009 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpion90 (Post 34643)
I have ordered my blue base auto Z with sports package. It's not coming in for awhile but I keep thinking maybe I should buy the touring edition with nav option.

For those of you that already have a 370Z, do you have any remorse about buying a different option or package? I'd like to learn from your experience if you had to do it all over again!

thanks for any replies that might help me be more comfortable with my choice. Of course if money wasn't an object, I would get the touring model.

I think in order to answer your question intelligently, we need to know why you feel that you might be better off with the touring edition and nav. Then we could address those items point by point. Let's take the Touring package, for example. What is it in the Touring pkg that you think you might not be able to live without? Bluetooth? Leather? Something else? If you can provide some specifics, I think we'd be able to help you analyze this a little better.

dwsq 02-24-2009 04:45 PM

Gps
 
I got the touring edition for the stereo and the other nice things, sat radio, the car just looked better with all the add ons. I can't stand GPS units installed in cars, my verizon navigtor phone does all that and stays with me wherever I travel, I have yet to get lost in any vehicle driving to and from work, kills me to see local folks getting a GPS installed in there dash when all they do is go to and from the grocery store.

Now if you travel extensively and "Tour" around the country be honest is this the car your going to do it in. I like the car without nav, because the little cubby they left with the cool door, I put my IPOD or my sunglasses in and call it the bat cave...

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scorpion90 02-24-2009 05:02 PM

Not Really Sure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 35051)
I think in order to answer your question intelligently, we need to know why you feel that you might be better off with the touring edition and nav. Then we could address those items point by point. Let's take the Touring package, for example. What is it in the Touring pkg that you think you might not be able to live without? Bluetooth? Leather? Something else? If you can provide some specifics, I think we'd be able to help you analyze this a little better.

I like the option of heated seats and the fact that you can get the leather seats in different colors instead of just the black for cloth. The nav system seems to fit the dashboard well and l think looks better than just a lid for a storage compartment. I'm 61 years old and likely not to buy another beautiful car like this again, so what ya think? thanks again for the replies!

JoeyD 02-24-2009 05:27 PM

If you had ordered the same car in Six speed I would trade you straight accross for my 7AT Touring. That should say something about making your purchase. I took what I could get early on, but I should have held out for the one I wanted. I want/ed Touring+Sport+PG+6Spd=my car.

If you plan to drive this car spiritedly you'll crave that third pedal. Don't get me wrong you will still very much enjoy driving the 7AT, but it just isn't the same.

semtex 02-24-2009 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpion90 (Post 35067)
I like the option of heated seats and the fact that you can get the leather seats in different colors instead of just the black for cloth. The nav system seems to fit the dashboard well and l think looks better than just a lid for a storage compartment. I'm 61 years old and likely not to buy another beautiful car like this again, so what ya think? thanks again for the replies!

Well, I think it might make sense to get the Touring pkg for heated leather seats (not to mention Bluetooth and whatever else comes with Touring). Not so sure it's worth ponying up for the nav system though, not if it's just an issue of looks. You don't mention anything about needing or wanting the actual functionality of nav, so if it's really just a matter of looks, I personally wouldn't get the nav. What is it? $2k or something like that? Now, I do think that the fact that you're 61 and most likely won't buy another car like this again is something that should be factored in. You've worked long and hard to get to where you are, and you deserve to get something you'll enjoy. I mean, if it's going to be your last car of this type/caliber, why not splurge a little and get all the bells and whistles? You only live once, right?

I will say this. A few years ago when I bought a 350Z, I decided to 'settle' for the Enthusiast model because I didn't feel justified in splurging for the Grand Touring. I wouldn't say I had remorse over it, but I will say that every now and then I'd wish I had gotten the Grand Touring for the leather seats, larger wheels, etc. So this time around when I got my 370Z, I decided to get the Touring so that I wouldn't have to go through second-guessing myself again. Not having to second-guess, post purchase, might alone be worth going ahead and getting the full meal deal. Something to think about anyway.

bluzman 02-24-2009 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpion90 (Post 35067)
I like the option of heated seats and the fact that you can get the leather seats in different colors instead of just the black for cloth. The nav system seems to fit the dashboard well and l think looks better than just a lid for a storage compartment. I'm 61 years old and likely not to buy another beautiful car like this again, so what ya think? thanks again for the replies!

First let me say that I'm older than you are but this definitely won't be the last "beautiful car like this" I buy - age has got nothing to do with it. That said, I bought a 7AT Touring model without either the Sport or the Nav package - exactly what I wanted. It's my daily drive. The plain Touring model simultaneously satisfies my need for creature comforts and speed very well indeed. Also I couldn't see dropping $1,800 on a GPS and 9.3G hard drive for music. I've been finding my way around in a car without the former since I was 16. As for the latter, my 8G flash-based MP3 player plugs nicely into the AUX so I always have those tunes plus 6 CDs in the player. For me, no buyer's remorse...life is GOOD!! Whatever you get, just enjoy the hell out of it. :icon17:

brisk 02-24-2009 05:44 PM

i was going to go with base...but i love how everything is so intergrated with the screen....so gotta cough it up and get the nav/touring.
really though if the base had the screen i would just get that....

shiftmx05 02-24-2009 07:02 PM

Just wanted to add my two cent, and correct me if im wrong but...

It you buy the touring without the navi then if looks like you will not be able to update the headunit to a system with navigation because the headunit is integrated into the A/C and heat controls...

whereas if you buy just the base model the headunit is seperate from the heat and A/C controls

I plan on buying the base model with sport package and placing my navigation system from my 350 into it.. it will look real clean and that way and i will be able to wire my ipod into the compartment above the headunit just as in my 350.

SoCal 370Z 02-24-2009 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by shiftmx05 (Post 35124)
It you buy the touring without the navi then if looks like you will not be able to update the headunit to a system with navigation because the headunit is integrated into the A/C and heat controls...

whereas if you buy just the base model the headunit is seperate from the heat and A/C controls.

Correct.

brisk 02-24-2009 07:31 PM

^ yes thats another reason...going the touring/nav route.

BTW socal again thanks for the pics! (totally unrelated)

FairmanZ 02-24-2009 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scorpion90 (Post 35067)
I like the option of heated seats and the fact that you can get the leather seats in different colors instead of just the black for cloth. The nav system seems to fit the dashboard well and l think looks better than just a lid for a storage compartment. I'm 61 years old and likely not to buy another beautiful car like this again, so what ya think? thanks again for the replies!

If I were you, no question about it, I'd get the Touring/Nav. Buy what you really want and you'll never have regrets. And from the sound of things, you want the Touring/Nav.

SoCal 370Z 02-24-2009 09:24 PM

Checkout the Owner's Manual
 
I strongly suggest that buyers who wish to suffer less or potential buyer's remorse please review the Owner's Manual located here by AK370Z: 370Z Owner's Manual

I can say that we purchased the Touring package without the nav, and I like the center console better for its styling, but the Owner's Manual really caters to those who buy the nav package, and sucks when it comes to the other choices. The nav unit also has some of the car's features that can be adjusted on-screen: p. 4-6 (p. 129 if you input a page).

huoZian 02-26-2009 01:34 AM

Great thread guys. Planning to buy in about 6 months and I think I will go back and forth btwn base+sports or touring+sports until then. Not going to be my DD, but if i drive for holidays or weekends I will be driving for over 2 hrs at a time, so the leather seats would be nice, but maybe not 4k nice. I live in Cali so heated seats aren't a big deal either.

b534202 02-26-2009 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by huoZian (Post 35798)
Great thread guys. Planning to buy in about 6 months and I think I will go back and forth btwn base+sports or touring+sports until then. Not going to be my DD, but if i drive for holidays or weekends I will be driving for over 2 hrs at a time, so the leather seats would be nice, but maybe not 4k nice. I live in Cali so heated seats aren't a big deal either.

Yep. All I want are the leather seats.

It was an easy choice when I bought my Legacy, it was only about a $2000 option for the leather and the gigantic sunroof. Can't really fork over $4k for only 2 leather seats :p .

SoCal 370Z 02-26-2009 09:57 AM

Double Din Entertainment Center with Navi Pics**


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