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kenchan 07-10-2010 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 615761)
Too funny, shifting gears is fun and all but can be a pain in arse in traffic too. The DSG in my Audi never got boring. It had the auto mode, sport auto mode, and sort of manual mode. It was a blast in both the sort of manual and sport mode.

fixed! :icon17:

fullmonty 07-10-2010 02:47 PM

OH Noes, I should of never puts an exhaust on its causes i gotz the aut0. Which auto magazine did you get your facts from kiddo?

kenchan 07-10-2010 02:54 PM

i think whoever posted that was talking about lack of backpressure when you run a full catback so AT could suffer...unless you raise your stall speed.

also MT has more of a musical note when you shift so i prefer louder exhausts on MT cars. :)

fullmonty 07-10-2010 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 615792)
i think whoever posted that was talking about lack of backpressure when you run a full catback so AT could suffer...unless you raise your stall speed.

also MT has more of a musical note when you shift so i prefer louder exhausts on MT cars. :)

Ya maybe if you ran 5 inch pipes all the way back

shadoquad 07-10-2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fullmonty (Post 615780)
OH Noes, I should of never puts an exhaust on its causes i gotz the aut0. Which auto magazine did you get your facts from kiddo?

You drive AT, monty? Oh Lord, then you must not be having any fun driving the Z around. I mean, since guys like me with 6MT's are the only ones who get any enjoyment out of driving, why don't you just hand me your keys ;) my good man? I'll take that burdensome bore of a car off your hands. lol

gnarf 07-10-2010 03:34 PM

you know what would be cool. To have the h-pattern manual so that you can have fun, but when you leave it in the neutral position, it acts as an auto so the guys in the city do not have to feel like crap...lol sounded a lot cooler in my head...

fullmonty 07-10-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 615828)
You drive AT, monty? Oh Lord, then you must not be having any fun driving the Z around. I mean, since guys like me with 6MT's are the only ones who get any enjoyment out of driving, why don't you just hand me your keys ;) my good man? I'll take that burdensome bore of a car off your hands. lol

Sir, you a gentleman and a scholar, and I don't care what Trip says about you. You may have my the keys to my boring 7 speed automatic transmission with paddles. I will go to driving a boring Toyota Camary, as thats more fitting to my personallity since I drive a automatic Z.

shadoquad 07-10-2010 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fullmonty (Post 615855)
Sir, you a gentleman and a scholar, and I don't care what Trip says about you. You may have my the keys to my boring 7 speed automatic transmission with paddles. I will go to driving a boring Toyota Camary, as thats more fitting to my personallity since I drive a automatic Z.

:roflpuke2: :icon18:

Trips 07-10-2010 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by fullmonty (Post 615855)
Sir, you a gentleman and a scholar, and I don't care what Trip says about you. You may have my the keys to my boring 7 speed automatic transmission with paddles. I will go to driving a boring Toyota Camary, as thats more fitting to my personallity since I drive a automatic Z.

wtf? You going to give him your bottle of BenGay too? :roflpuke2::bowrofl:

fullmonty 07-10-2010 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple's (Post 615862)
wtf? You going to give him your bottle of BenGay too? :roflpuke2::bowrofl:

You want my bottle of BettyLesbian than?

Diocletian 07-10-2010 04:15 PM

I, too, have an automatic. Therefore my life is devoid of fun, and my masculinity is threatened.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to get some Ben and Jerry's ice cream from my fridge and watch my favorite show on Lifetime.

shadoquad 07-10-2010 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Diocletian (Post 615910)
I, too, have an automatic. Therefore my life is devoid of fun, and my masculinity is threatened.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to get some Ben and Jerry's ice cream from my fridge and watch my favorite show on Lifetime.

I knew it!

Whereas I drive a 6MT! I live life on the edge, a 1/4-mile at a time. I often take the on ramp... to the Highway to tha DANGER ZONE!

http://family-guy-episodes-online.co...-episode-1.jpg

darrinps 07-10-2010 04:32 PM

I drove a stick from my 1989 Ford Super Coupe (second car) through two Maximas (my last being a 2005 SE...awesome transmission...incredible shifting on that which I attribute in part to the Amsoil synthetic gear oil I used) but for the 370Z, if you want performance, then I honestly feel the automatic is the way to go and is what I got.

Review after review will show the autos .1 to .2 seconds quicker in the quarter. I believe the Corvettes are that way now too. The technology has just gotten that good.

I don't particularly care for an auto but the paddle shifters make it tolerable and the .1 to .2 seconds difference (more unless you are a good stick man) in the quarter is worth giving up on some fun for me.

Drive both and see what you prefer though.

darrinps 07-10-2010 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kevr6 (Post 615305)
I've read this thread and have to laugh!! First the 7AT is NOT a faster car then our manual cars!!!! (especially ones' with short shifters!)
...

To date any traditional torque converter automatic is still slower then a manual.

Oh how I wish this were still true as I loved the performance edge I HAD with a manual, but alas review after review shows the auto .1 to .2 seconds quicker in the quarter and MORE for a guy on the street that doesn't get paid to drag cars on a daily basis.

It pained me to get an auto...it really did...but I like performance and the best reviews I have seen all had autos (and interestingly enough...not the sport package 370s...thinking the extra rotational mass of the Sport package wheels and tires may slow it down a tick).

Anyway, my auto is quick. You should drive one sometime.

sonic370 07-10-2010 07:25 PM

sorry auto. there is nothing normal about the 7at in the 370.
if there's a car under 35 with a better one i would like to see it.
IMHO

kenchan 07-10-2010 07:32 PM

Why don't you auto guys put a shift boot and pretend you're cool like us MT guys? :D

frost 07-10-2010 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 616209)
Why don't you auto guys put a shift boot and pretend you're cool like us MT guys? :D

Would the AT guys have to slow down to also pretend they're MT guys? :roflpuke2:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...r_the_pot_.jpg

Trips 07-10-2010 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 616218)
Would the AT guys have to slow down to also pretend they're MT guys? :roflpuke2:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...r_the_pot_.jpg

:bowrofl::roflpuke2:

kenchan 07-10-2010 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 616218)
Would the AT guys have to slow down to also pretend they're MT guys? :roflpuke2:

No, but you need to buy two dead pedals to pretend you have a clutch like us cool MT guys. :D

shadoquad 07-10-2010 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 616218)
Would the AT guys have to slow down to also pretend they're MT guys? :roflpuke2:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...r_the_pot_.jpg

o u b*tch!

:roflpuke2:

frost 07-10-2010 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 616226)
No, but you need to buy two dead pedals to pretend you have a clutch like us cool MT guys. :D

:bowrofl::bowrofl: :tup:

Zsteve 07-10-2010 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 615772)
fixed! :icon17:

Thanks, I can live with that.

Lemers 07-10-2010 10:31 PM

If you ain't driving MT you ain't driving

Zsteve 07-10-2010 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 616218)
would the at guys have to slow down to also pretend they're mt guys? :roflpuke2:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...r_the_pot_.jpg

yea baby!

kevr6 07-11-2010 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by darrinps (Post 615940)
Oh how I wish this were still true as I loved the performance edge I HAD with a manual, but alas review after review shows the auto .1 to .2 seconds quicker in the quarter and MORE for a guy on the street that doesn't get paid to drag cars on a daily basis.

It pained me to get an auto...it really did...but I like performance and the best reviews I have seen all had autos (and interestingly enough...not the sport package 370s...thinking the extra rotational mass of the Sport package wheels and tires may slow it down a tick).

Anyway, my auto is quick. You should drive one sometime.

I did drive one! I also have a short shifter(remember what I typed). 1/10 of a second...your kidding right! You know you can't feel that. Your actually pushing the arguement for a neglegible difference?
ALso: please provide the link or provide the magazine. I just haven't read that anywhere.
Keep in mind that I drive Audi's DSG all the time so I directly compared the two and didn't like the Z 7AT. Of course I hate the R8's R-tronic also which isn't a DSG. High speed shifting on the R8 sucked w/ that tranny. I loved the R8 manual though!!

Jordo! 07-11-2010 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by darrinps (Post 615940)
Oh how I wish this were still true as I loved the performance edge I HAD with a manual, but alas review after review shows the auto .1 to .2 seconds quicker in the quarter and MORE for a guy on the street that doesn't get paid to drag cars on a daily basis.

It pained me to get an auto...it really did...but I like performance and the best reviews I have seen all had autos (and interestingly enough...not the sport package 370s...thinking the extra rotational mass of the Sport package wheels and tires may slow it down a tick).

Anyway, my auto is quick. You should drive one sometime.

Exactamundo.

Whoever is making generalizations about autos and manuals on performance is overlooking the fact that for the 370Z, it has lock up in each gear, so there is virtually no difference in power transfer, as reflected in nearly the same whp for the AT as the MT on the dyno.

Also, the fastest times I've seen listed on here and in magazines all belong to the autos -- less human error and no missed shifts plus about the same power and torque means equal or better performance on the average.

Sorry guys, it may not be a DSG, but the auto on these cars is also not your traditional slushbox, and consequently the AT 370Z's are as fast or faster than the MT's even with a good driver.

zippin 07-11-2010 07:15 AM

To me the MT vs AT discussion has nothing to do with which one is faster now a days. The evidence points that both are equal to the task of getting the car down the road. My personal reason for loving the MT. It forces you to pay attention to the task of driving. On a regular basis i see dudes who drive AT's texting, talking on the phone while phone is in hand, or eating a damn burger while driving. If you an MT, your *** is driving and paying attention. Period. Very difficult to drive in traffic and text, talk w/o handsfree or eat if you have a MT. So you end up just driving your car and paying attention to what your vehicle is doing vs. the surroundings. Kinda like it was meant to be. Get yourself an AT and you are guaranteeing a distracted driver.

370zproject 07-11-2010 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 617374)
Exactamundo.

Whoever is making generalizations about autos and manuals on performance is overlooking the fact that for the 370Z, it has lock up in each gear, so there is virtually no difference in power transfer, as reflected in nearly the same whp for the AT as the MT on the dyno.

Also, the fastest times I've seen listed on here and in magazines all belong to the autos -- less human error and no missed shifts plus about the same power and torque means equal or better performance on the average.

Sorry guys, it may not be a DSG, but the auto on these cars is also not your traditional slushbox, and consequently the AT 370Z's are as fast or faster than the MT's even with a good driver.

:)

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Originally Posted by zippin (Post 617387)
To me the MT vs AT discussion has nothing to do with which one is faster now a days. The evidence points that both are equal to the task of getting the car down the road. My personal reason for loving the MT. It forces you to pay attention to the task of driving. On a regular basis i see dudes who drive AT's texting, talking on the phone while phone is in hand, or eating a damn burger while driving. If you an MT, your *** is driving and paying attention. Period. Very difficult to drive in traffic and text, talk w/o handsfree or eat if you have a MT. So you end up just driving your car and paying attention to what your vehicle is doing vs. the surroundings. Kinda like it was meant to be. Get yourself an AT and you are guaranteeing a distracted driver.

i get ur point there wait u would eat in ur Z if u had a auto ?????!!

Nitex 07-11-2010 08:49 AM

^ I had to travel from San Antonio to Seattle in 3 days, so i had no choice but to eat in my Z :shakes head:

It was the one day run from vegas that got me!

Lemers 07-11-2010 09:39 AM

I haven't eaten in my Z but I have eaten in my other MT cars. Just put the burger in your lap at shitf time.

Chriz 07-11-2010 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kevr6 (Post 617369)
I did drive one! I also have a short shifter(remember what I typed). 1/10 of a second...your kidding right! You know you can't feel that. Your actually pushing the arguement for a neglegible difference?
ALso: please provide the link or provide the magazine. I just haven't read that anywhere.
Keep in mind that I drive Audi's DSG all the time so I directly compared the two and didn't like the Z 7AT. Of course I hate the R8's R-tronic also which isn't a DSG. High speed shifting on the R8 sucked w/ that tranny. I loved the R8 manual though!!

here you go :vuvuzela2:
2009 Nissan 370Z Automatic - Short Take Road Test - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver

kenchan 07-11-2010 10:55 AM

Do you auto guys like to blip throttle before shifting into "D" while at a stop to pretend you are cool like us MT guys? :D

Diocletian 07-11-2010 11:50 AM

I always blip the throttle shifting into gears because it sounds nice in manual mode. Whats with this "D" business?

Do you guys like to never worry about traffic jams in your Z like us AT guys?

Edit: with inclines

frost 07-11-2010 11:56 AM

http://clarification.files.wordpress...on-despair.jpg

Keep up with the times boys ... sticks are so 1920s.

Lemers 07-11-2010 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 617610)
http://clarification.files.wordpress...on-despair.jpg

Keep up with the times boys ... sticks are so 1920s.

And automatics are so 1948

frost 07-11-2010 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemers (Post 617627)
And automatics are so 1948

Yeah, but paddles are so now. :happydance:

fullmonty 07-11-2010 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 617631)
Yeah, but paddles are so now. :happydance:

Nice to know my paddles are still in vouge

wilsonp 07-11-2010 12:52 PM

The Car and Driver tests say 4.6 for 0-60, and they tested 4.9 for the MT and 5.2 for the Nismo, so the AT seems nicely faste most of the time :)

Interesting to me that the MT fans seem more defensive then the AT posters.

(An AT fan)

Lemers 07-11-2010 12:55 PM

Not defensive. Just having a little fun. Really I will buy the MT for as long as MTs are availible. Which is 2012.

shadoquad 07-11-2010 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsonp (Post 617736)
The Car and Driver tests say 4.6 for 0-60, and they tested 4.9 for the MT and 5.2 for the Nismo, so the AT seems nicely faste most of the time :)

Interesting to me that the MT fans seem more defensive then the AT posters.

(An AT fan)

Both can get a little sensitive at times. I'm a MT guy, and it's not a question of performance for me. It's all about feel and control.

But I don't :stirthepot: on this debate, because I think it's silly on its merits. This car is fun and fast regardless of tranny. And if it's your money to spend, it's your choice imo. Just enjoy what you've got.


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