Question on trade back my auto Z to a manual

DjSquall · 05-13-2010, 02:32 PM

So far I've laughed back at everyone who has tried to flame my AT. 1) I remind them that they drive a shitbox, and if that comment is inapropriate, I just invite em tithe track. So far, no takers.

kannibul · 05-13-2010, 03:00 PM

Personally, I'm a bit in the same thought...

I bought an AT to keep myself "out of trouble" and from going "mod happy". However...lol...that's not really stopped me, I've just hit the limit and still want more, and I still get myself into trouble - but truth be told, I'd have more control without it being an AT - because I can always stomp on the clutch for instant power removal, instead of relying on the engine to spin down hard enough, or the torque converter to release when it wants to.

I also compromised on the color (I wanted plat)...so, for me, is it worth trading in a perfectly good 7AT black touring/sport with all the options except nac, a FI cat-back, and a G3 intake, for a new PG 6MT touring/sport bone-stock...AND...have to pay 4-6K in depreciation, even though I have a total of 3750 miles on the Z? No.

That said, I have considered trading it on a Mustang with a 5.0 (which I'd promptly dump more money into) or even a top-level Camaro SS (which in person doesn't look bad...just some camera angles it's like waking up the next morning after boozing and realizing what you brought home...), and also putting in a roots SC...

Anyhow...

370zproject · 05-14-2010, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DjSquall

So far I've laughed back at everyone who has tried to flame my AT. 1) I remind them that they drive a shitbox, and if that comment is inapropriate, I just invite em tithe track. So far, no takers.

excatly

Red370 · 05-14-2010, 12:26 AM

I'll agree with everyone that said just keep the car, your wallet will take the hit. But I dont care what any of you AT guys say, there is nothing, I repeat, NOTHING more fun than kicking a clutch and banging through the gears, I could never in a million years, get any enjoyment out of clicking a paddle on the steering wheel, an auto just feels so disconnected and boring. I'll admit, during high traffic conditions, an auto would be ideal, and it would be easier just to stomp the pedal for straight line acceleration, but my MT is just too damn fun.

chuckd05 · 05-14-2010, 12:26 AM

6M for me, forever, as long as its a sports car

I wouldn't trade it in, maybe sell privately and try to snag a good deal on a left over 09

Red370 · 05-14-2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckd05

6M for me, forever, as long as its a sports car

I wouldn't trade it in, maybe sell privately and try to snag a good deal on a left over 09

^^^ BTW, an Auto isnt the only 12 second 370 now.

Dan37TZ · 05-14-2010, 01:03 AM

Exotics use automated manuals, usually with a dual clutch setup. I think some early Ferrari's and BMW's SMG uses single clutch units.

NOTHING like the torque converter setup in the 370Z auto. Design and function wise they are COMPLETELY different. The Z's auto is the same concept as any other automatic in your typical accord or camry, with the exception of an extra gear or two and some extra tricks like rev match on downshift. Still uses a torque converter, still delay no matter how much you AT guys want to deny it when queuing an upshift or downshift. You're not in control, the Z's 7spd Auto sometimes has to hunt for gears and randomly downshifts multiple times ect. when you put the pedal down just to get to the right gear. When an AT owner approaches a corner he/she has to frantically pull the paddle and wait for the car to respond to the multiple downshifts ect. A manual owner puts it in whatever gear he want directly..instantly. Sure the 7AT is slightly faster in a straight line because you can launch better(loading the torque converter), I think the Z's auto slips all 1st and locks up in 2nd, there is no human error involved... since the car shifts for you.

My 335i has a ZF 6spd steptronic paddle shift AT, also with rev match, and one of the fastest shift, only second to the IS-F. I purchased my 335i in AT because in the 135/335i form it's also slightly faster than the manual counterpart. First couple months I told myself, hey this could work, I don't really miss manual since this is an EXCELLENT automatic. After a year of owning it I was ready to tear my hair out. I would absolutely say one of the most enjoyable and satisfying part of sports car or sports sedan ownership is driving it with a manual, it just feels so incredibly dull with an automatic. ESPECIALLY in a true sports car like the 370Z.

Jonathan Vach · 05-14-2010, 01:10 AM

well i talk to a dealer today and i may have to pay around 7000 USD out of my pocket to get the exact same car! I put 15000 for this car and i still own around 28,000 USD....my first bill aint even here yet!

Pushing_Tin · 05-14-2010, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Vach

well i talk to a dealer today and i may have to pay around 7000 USD out of my pocket to get the exact same car! I put 15000 for this car and i still own around 28,000 USD....my first bill aint even here yet!

Unless you have a lot of money to waste keep your car. If you must have the 6MT sell your Z private party for a lot more than the dealer will give you.
I love my 6MT btw.

Chriz · 05-14-2010, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan37TZ

Still uses a torque converter, still delay no matter how much you AT guys want to deny it when queuing an upshift or downshift. You're not in control, the Z's 7spd Auto sometimes has to hunt for gears and randomly downshifts multiple times ect. when you put the pedal down just to get to the right gear. When an AT owner approaches a corner he/she has to frantically pull the paddle and wait for the car to respond to the multiple downshifts ect.

I'm pretty sure im in control when driving my AT thank you very much. The car never hunts for gears or downshifts randomly whenever in maunal mode. (Unless you rpms drop to low). In regular mode it honestly isnt an issue for me, I never notice it. The car responds very quickly when downshifting. Multiple downshifts are still fast enough to cope with the braking when going into the corner to keep the car high in the rpms.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan37TZ

I think the Z's auto slips all 1st and locks up in 2nd, there is no human error involved... since the car shifts for you.

False

Anyway OP i agree with the general consensus here, dont sell!

kannibul · 05-14-2010, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan37TZ

Exotics use automated manuals, usually with a dual clutch setup. I think some early Ferrari's and BMW's SMG uses single clutch units.

NOTHING like the torque converter setup in the 370Z auto. Design and function wise they are COMPLETELY different. The Z's auto is the same concept as any other automatic in your typical accord or camry, with the exception of an extra gear or two and some extra tricks like rev match on downshift. Still uses a torque converter, still delay no matter how much you AT guys want to deny it when queuing an upshift or downshift. You're not in control, the Z's 7spd Auto sometimes has to hunt for gears and randomly downshifts multiple times ect. when you put the pedal down just to get to the right gear. When an AT owner approaches a corner he/she has to frantically pull the paddle and wait for the car to respond to the multiple downshifts ect. A manual owner puts it in whatever gear he want directly..instantly. Sure the 7AT is slightly faster in a straight line because you can launch better(loading the torque converter), I think the Z's auto slips all 1st and locks up in 2nd, there is no human error involved... since the car shifts for you.

My 335i has a ZF 6spd steptronic paddle shift AT, also with rev match, and one of the fastest shift, only second to the IS-F. I purchased my 335i in AT because in the 135/335i form it's also slightly faster than the manual counterpart. First couple months I told myself, hey this could work, I don't really miss manual since this is an EXCELLENT automatic. After a year of owning it I was ready to tear my hair out. I would absolutely say one of the most enjoyable and satisfying part of sports car or sports sedan ownership is driving it with a manual, it just feels so incredibly dull with an automatic. ESPECIALLY in a true sports car like the 370Z.

I don't think anyone is trying to make that comparison (manual with automated shifting system)

Personally, I'd like to swap it for a 6MT - but part of me wonders if I could swap transmissions and get the parts needed, for less than depreciation, especially if you consider what the 7AT would "sell" for to the right buyer.

sonic370 · 05-15-2010, 07:39 PM

All i will say is this i have owned both and to each his own. the good news
is both the 7at and 6mt are attached to a 370z!!! so i'm not complaining
either way.

DjSquall · 05-14-2010, 10:35 AM

More than I'd like to in that situation

Zsteve · 05-14-2010, 10:51 AM

I can understand people liking to shift to feel the car and thats fine for those that want that side of the house. The other side is the ones that want the quicker shifts for performance and not have to work the clutch so much in traffic. F1 guys arent in it for the feel of the car but the better performance. Just depends which side of the house you are in.

Another thing might be age too, Ive had plenty of manuals and I really dont miss them with the new ATs. IMO of course.

Now 7AT FTW. lol.

Jeffblue · 05-14-2010, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zsteve

I can understand people liking to shift to feel the car and thats fine for those that want that side of the house. The other side is the ones that want the quicker shifts for performance and not have to work the clutch so much in traffic. F1 guys arent in it for the feel of the car but the better performance. Just depends which side of the house you are in.

Another thing might be age too, Ive had plenty of manuals and I really dont miss them with the new ATs. IMO of course.

Now 7AT FTW. lol.

good point, i wish people would just be honest. If you got an AT just b/c you didn't want to use the clutch(whether cuz you've had enough manuals in your life or you just never learned), thats fine

apparently regardless of transmission choice in this car, everyone seems to love shifting gears, just some don't want to use their left foot, nothing wrong with it just admit it. just be honest. i got a manual because it makes my peni$ seem bigger... can't we all just get along?

05-14-2010, 12:26 AM	#4 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 297	I'll agree with everyone that said just keep the car, your wallet will take the hit. But I dont care what any of you AT guys say, there is nothing, I repeat, NOTHING more fun than kicking a clutch and banging through the gears, I could never in a million years, get any enjoyment out of clicking a paddle on the steering wheel, an auto just feels so disconnected and boring. I'll admit, during high traffic conditions, an auto would be ideal, and it would be easier just to stomp the pedal for straight line acceleration, but my MT is just too damn fun. __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

05-14-2010, 12:26 AM	#5 (permalink)
chuckd05 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NY Posts: 2,391 Drives: No longer a Z Rep Power: 20	6M for me, forever, as long as its a sports car I wouldn't trade it in, maybe sell privately and try to snag a good deal on a left over 09 __________________ 09 370Z 6M PW - FBO Best 1/4 mile = 12.926 @ 109 SOLD -- 08 BMW 135i - FBO 12.1@120mph SOLD -- white 09 e92 335 Coupe Mtech - 11.9 @ 119 :-)

05-14-2010, 01:03 AM	#7 (permalink)
Dan37TZ Base Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 59 Drives: A Red Nissan Rep Power: 16	Exotics use automated manuals, usually with a dual clutch setup. I think some early Ferrari's and BMW's SMG uses single clutch units. NOTHING like the torque converter setup in the 370Z auto. Design and function wise they are COMPLETELY different. The Z's auto is the same concept as any other automatic in your typical accord or camry, with the exception of an extra gear or two and some extra tricks like rev match on downshift. Still uses a torque converter, still delay no matter how much you AT guys want to deny it when queuing an upshift or downshift. You're not in control, the Z's 7spd Auto sometimes has to hunt for gears and randomly downshifts multiple times ect. when you put the pedal down just to get to the right gear. When an AT owner approaches a corner he/she has to frantically pull the paddle and wait for the car to respond to the multiple downshifts ect. A manual owner puts it in whatever gear he want directly..instantly. Sure the 7AT is slightly faster in a straight line because you can launch better(loading the torque converter), I think the Z's auto slips all 1st and locks up in 2nd, there is no human error involved... since the car shifts for you. My 335i has a ZF 6spd steptronic paddle shift AT, also with rev match, and one of the fastest shift, only second to the IS-F. I purchased my 335i in AT because in the 135/335i form it's also slightly faster than the manual counterpart. First couple months I told myself, hey this could work, I don't really miss manual since this is an EXCELLENT automatic. After a year of owning it I was ready to tear my hair out. I would absolutely say one of the most enjoyable and satisfying part of sports car or sports sedan ownership is driving it with a manual, it just feels so incredibly dull with an automatic. ESPECIALLY in a true sports car like the 370Z. Last edited by Dan37TZ; 05-14-2010 at 01:17 AM.

05-14-2010, 10:51 AM	#14 (permalink)
Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 3,298 Drives: the 2 balled club Rep Power: 22	I can understand people liking to shift to feel the car and thats fine for those that want that side of the house. The other side is the ones that want the quicker shifts for performance and not have to work the clutch so much in traffic. F1 guys arent in it for the feel of the car but the better performance. Just depends which side of the house you are in. Another thing might be age too, Ive had plenty of manuals and I really dont miss them with the new ATs. IMO of course. Now 7AT FTW. lol. __________________ 2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette

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05-13-2010, 02:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
DjSquall A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tottenham, ON Age: 37 Posts: 1,340 Drives: My first car Rep Power: 23	So far I've laughed back at everyone who has tried to flame my AT. 1) I remind them that they drive a shitbox, and if that comment is inapropriate, I just invite em tithe track. So far, no takers.

05-13-2010, 03:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
kannibul A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jenks, OK Posts: 2,281 Drives: 370z Touring/Sport Rep Power: 268	Personally, I'm a bit in the same thought... I bought an AT to keep myself "out of trouble" and from going "mod happy". However...lol...that's not really stopped me, I've just hit the limit and still want more, and I still get myself into trouble - but truth be told, I'd have more control without it being an AT - because I can always stomp on the clutch for instant power removal, instead of relying on the engine to spin down hard enough, or the torque converter to release when it wants to. I also compromised on the color (I wanted plat)...so, for me, is it worth trading in a perfectly good 7AT black touring/sport with all the options except nac, a FI cat-back, and a G3 intake, for a new PG 6MT touring/sport bone-stock...AND...have to pay 4-6K in depreciation, even though I have a total of 3750 miles on the Z? No. That said, I have considered trading it on a Mustang with a 5.0 (which I'd promptly dump more money into) or even a top-level Camaro SS (which in person doesn't look bad...just some camera angles it's like waking up the next morning after boozing and realizing what you brought home...), and also putting in a roots SC... Anyhow...

05-14-2010, 01:10 AM	#8 (permalink)
Jonathan Vach Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: seattle Posts: 290 Drives: Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 16	well i talk to a dealer today and i may have to pay around 7000 USD out of my pocket to get the exact same car! I put 15000 for this car and i still own around 28,000 USD....my first bill aint even here yet!

05-15-2010, 07:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
sonic370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Orange Texas Posts: 1,574 Drives: 09 370Z Sports PGK Rep Power: 19	All i will say is this i have owned both and to each his own. the good news is both the 7at and 6mt are attached to a 370z!!! so i'm not complaining either way.

05-14-2010, 10:35 AM	#13 (permalink)
DjSquall A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tottenham, ON Age: 37 Posts: 1,340 Drives: My first car Rep Power: 23	More than I'd like to in that situation