Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 464523)

Also, post your proof they have lower overall healthcare....

Unless you're considering the ones who die quickly after being diagnosed, if they're diagnosed...

*cough cough...must be gettin' a cold...draaaag*

:epicfacepalm:

Originally Posted by Zaggeron (Post 464553)

How about an article from the New England Journal of Medicine

NEJM -- The Health Care Costs of Smoking

"Conclusions If people stopped smoking, there would be a savings in health care costs, but only in the short term. Eventually, smoking cessation would lead to increased health care costs."

I'm just doing my part to save your tax dollars...

Originally Posted by dalparadise (Post 464560)

In a convertible, the world is your ashtray.

Originally Posted by Zaggeron (Post 464563)

lol....

Seriously ... please don't litter, wash your hands after going to the bathroom, and call your mother every once in a while

Originally Posted by shadow2k (Post 464548)

Sure, higher insurance premiums already. But did you pay 40% in taxes on your car? 42% is only the amount of the last tax hike in May on cigs, that's not even the total taxes already on them.

Cars...or sports cars? Either way, I take it you're picking the Versa? Or maybe walking? A Vespa even?

I only expect people to be consistent with their ideas. If you want to tax the hell out of my cigs because of all those things, then those same thoughts need to be applied to everything across the board.

I don't even smoke that much anymore. It's just the attitude of the non-smokers that pisses me off. Just because some clownpuncher smokes in the car with his kids, or lights up next to you in a restaurant doesn't mean we all do. I remember going to a bar years ago when this couple brought their kids in and sat right down next to me and my buddy. We went into the back to smoke because of the kids. 10 minutes later, the mom was cutting up the steak for her little boy...knife in one hand, fork and cig in the other, probably dropping ash all over it.

Not every smoker is inconsiderate. We shouldn't all be punished because of it, no more so than you should be punished for other people wrecking their Z's.

Originally Posted by Zaggeron (Post 464553)

How about an article from the New England Journal of Medicine

NEJM -- The Health Care Costs of Smoking

"Conclusions If people stopped smoking, there would be a savings in health care costs, but only in the short term. Eventually, smoking cessation would lead to increased health care costs."

I'm just doing my part to save your tax dollars...

Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 464575)

perhaps because people would be living longer...


Lets kill all the felons to save money on prison costs.

Originally Posted by Nick911sc (Post 464578)

Some people might advocate that. Considering it costs about $60k a year per inmate. lol

Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 464575)

perhaps because people would be living longer...


Lets kill all the felons to save money on prison costs...same logic, right? Less prisoners in prison, therefore it'll cost less!



Also, in the discussion part of the article, they are disclaiming a "related diseases" and the care involved in correcting those issues. They're just looking at people who smoke, vs people who don't smoke, where as smoke is the direct cause of the doctors visit.

That's like saying people who have HIV aren't sick, because AIDS is a side effect and shouldn't be counted, therefore HIV isn't bad.

Originally Posted by Nick911sc (Post 464607)

Genius!

But isn't that how Australia started?

Originally Posted by Zaggeron (Post 464613)

I am not advocating any of that. I was simply responding to your unsubstantiated claim that smoking causes increased medical costs. I stated it doesn't and provided some evidence for my claim.

Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 464619)

No offense, but the evidence you provided has a lot of holes in it.

Four words in a very related argument where both sides prop up articles that have more holes than the Ozone Layer:


Man Made Global Warming

Originally Posted by Zaggeron (Post 464627)

At least I provided some evidence. You simply claimed something as true and haven't produced any evidence to back up your position. If you don't like that article here's another

How Much Does Smoking Cost Society?

From the article:

"Vanderbilt University economist Kip Viscusi studied the net costs of smoking-related spending and savings and found that for every pack of cigarettes smoked, the country reaps a net cost savings of 32 cents.

It looks unpleasant or ghoulish to look at the cost savings as well as the cost increases and it's not a good thing that smoking kills people," Viscusi said in an interview. "But if you're going to follow this health-cost train all the way, you have to take into account all the effects, not just the ones you like in terms of getting your bill passed."

Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 464642)

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