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Hal@Dynosty 01-23-2009 01:40 AM

Injected Performance 370Z dyno video, 258whp DD
 
We had a chance to strap our Nissan 370Z down briefly for some baseline numbers. On our dyno dynamics 'heart breaker' it produced 258whp completely stock. Stay tuned for future developments. :)

Full dyno writeup and HD video

http://www.injectedperformance.com/h...erformance.jpg

http://www.injectedperformance.com/h...-258whp+tq.jpg

MC 01-23-2009 01:45 AM

heart breaker indeed

AK370Z 01-23-2009 02:06 AM

Hmm was expecting a little more but Great 1st dyno. The Pearl White looks superb. Thanks for the video. This is the first 370Z dyno video in the US! Good job. :tup:

Dreamin'Z 01-23-2009 02:42 AM

i thought someone else posted a dyno at like 290 rwhp, I guess they were just blowin smoke

Crash 01-23-2009 03:31 AM

GTM posted 189RWHP (or something like that). This is DEFINITELY a spill down hill.

How many pulls did you do? How high is the elevation in your area?

Nismo 370z 01-23-2009 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crash (Post 23140)
GTM posted 189RWHP (or something like that). This is DEFINITELY a spill down hill.

How many pulls did you do? How high is the elevation in your area?

U mean 289whp. That was done on a dynojet which reads higher. I think 260whp for a bone stock Z is really good on a dyno dynamics. Great job injected. Cant wait to see what u do with it.:tup:

Hal@Dynosty 01-23-2009 07:47 AM

Yes, someone else made close to 290whp on a Dynojet. For anyone not familiar with the Dyno Dynamics, we normally see a 12.5% increase in hp number going from our dyno to a Dynojet. If you use that same 12.5% on our 258whp... 258 * 1.125 = 290

From our blog,
2003 Nonrevup 350Z: 215whp
2006 Revup 350z: 234whp
2009 VQ35HR 370Z: 258whp

DIGItonium 01-23-2009 09:13 AM

Do you have dyno curves of the previous engines? That VQ37 torque curve looks so smooth and broad. It'll be nice to squeeze more out of that engine :-)

shumby 01-23-2009 01:03 PM

this dyno is more in line wth what the G37 is getting.

AK370Z 01-23-2009 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crash (Post 23140)
GTM posted 189RWHP (or something like that). This is DEFINITELY a spill down hill.

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GTM will be "out of business" if that's what they are getting from their Z! :icon17:

Nikon FM 01-23-2009 01:28 PM

All relative?
 
Due to all the differences based on altitude, humidity, temperature etc, software .........dyno device, I tend to look at HP and Torque changes between OEM baseline and improvements (bolt ons etc) and not really the absolute numbers.

Although, the absolute numbers can always be used as a "brag" factor if they are good (note the signature block):stirthepot:

Crash 01-23-2009 02:05 PM

LOL! Yeah, 289... Sorry, I do that a lot! (This is why I do porn and not build rockets)

Cown3d 01-23-2009 02:16 PM

like i said in the other thread, 260whp is really nice to see on a dyno dynamics!

Crash 01-23-2009 02:20 PM

Are dyno dynamics generally lower than the other dynos?

Cown3d 01-23-2009 02:29 PM

yep ive ussually seen about 12-13% lower

Crash 01-23-2009 02:33 PM

OK... Then those numbers make sense.

caj77 01-23-2009 04:35 PM

Im not able to see the video?

Skaterbasist 01-23-2009 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamin'Z (Post 23135)
i thought someone else posted a dyno at like 290 rwhp, I guess they were just blowin smoke

No, you (along with a majority of car enthusiast) just don't seem to understand how dyno's work ;)

258 whp is great for a Dyno Dynamics aka "The Heart Breaker" :)

Skaterbasist 01-23-2009 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shumby (Post 23240)
this dyno is more in line wth what the G37 is getting.

G37's and 370Z's make the same numbers... they have the same engine to begin with.

Skaterbasist 01-23-2009 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crash (Post 23268)
Are dyno dynamics generally lower than the other dynos?

Only lower one I can think of is a Mustang Dyno (iirc).

In terms of output, this is what the typical order usually looks like:

Dynapacks <-- Dynojets <-- Dyno Dynamics <-- Mustang Dyno

Ofcourse, this can always very since calibration might be to one extreme in a few cases.

shumby 01-23-2009 04:48 PM

well nissan says the Z has 2 more HP lol

Skaterbasist 01-23-2009 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shumby (Post 23315)
well nissan says the Z has 2 more HP lol

They must be hiding a JDM sticker somewhere around the engine bay :icon17:

1stNissan 01-23-2009 05:43 PM

This comes out to 22% drivetrain lose? I always thought the rull of thumb was 15%. Is this because of low TQ or the IRS?

Skaterbasist 01-23-2009 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1stNissan (Post 23337)
This comes out to 22% drivetrain lose? I always thought the rull of thumb was 15%. Is this because of low TQ or the IRS?

Read post 7, 18, and 20...

Crash 01-23-2009 07:22 PM

Interesting. I'll get a few dyno pulls done at HMS and post the results as soon as mine is broken in.

Ryephile 01-23-2009 11:14 PM

The AFR's are a whiff rich for N/A. The chart shows mainly in the upper 11's:1, which would be perfect for a boosted port injected engine, but perhaps a tiny bit too rich for N/A. Taking into account E10 we all run, 12.7:1 to 12.3:1 should yield peak torque.

Thanks for posting the video and tidbits!

370z2 01-24-2009 11:25 AM

This Dyno is pointless. Its the only dyno of its kind the puts down such low numbers. Not even a mustang dyno will give numbers like that. There are numerous dynos showing the Z putting down almost 290whp, that is consistant to what the crank 332hp is putting out. If the Z was a 332hp car that only put down 250whp then the Z would 80+ hp to drivetrain loss and that is not the reality.

LiquidZ 01-24-2009 11:32 AM

Man, I love that color.

Great sound!

Cown3d 01-24-2009 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370z2 (Post 23540)
This Dyno is pointless. Its the only dyno of its kind the puts down such low numbers. Not even a mustang dyno will give numbers like that. There are numerous dynos showing the Z putting down almost 290whp, that is consistant to what the crank 332hp is putting out. If the Z was a 332hp car that only put down 250whp then the Z would 80+ hp to drivetrain loss and that is not the reality.

o but so wrong you are

see the thing is this dyno dynamics and mustang dyno's are 'loaded' dyno
they simulate the weight of having to move the car also!
so when you on a dyno jet and get your 290whp, thats just how much you can make to the wheels
when you make that power on a loaded dyno thats the power you actually HAVE moving the car.
also they are alot better for tuning because they simulate actual load on the motor and drivetrain better, providing more accurate tuning

RCZ 01-24-2009 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cown3d (Post 23571)
o but so wrong you are

see the thing is this dyno dynamics and mustang dyno's are 'loaded' dyno
they simulate the weight of having to move the car also!
so when you on a dyno jet and get your 290whp, thats just how much you can make to the wheels
when you make that power on a loaded dyno thats the power you actually HAVE moving the car.
also they are alot better for tuning because they simulate actual load on the motor and drivetrain better, providing more accurate tuning

+1

Both of these are excellent when it comes to tuning. If I could, I would only get tuned on these. It may read lower, but I don't care about numbers; I care about accuracy, consistency and real usable power.

RedlineHR 01-25-2009 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hal@IP (Post 23154)
Yes, someone else made close to 290whp on a Dynojet. For anyone not familiar with the Dyno Dynamics, we normally see a 12.5% increase in hp number going from our dyno to a Dynojet. If you use that same 12.5% on our 258whp... 258 * 1.125 = 290

From our blog,
2003 Nonrevup 350Z: 215whp
2006 Revup 350z: 234whp
2009 VQ35HR 370Z: 258whp

Those 370 numbers are disappointing and I am talking in the relative sense, not the absolute sense.

Where are your numbers for an HR engine (07-08)?

If I remember right, my stock 07 HR 6mt put down 20 HP more than my wife's modded 06 rev-up 6mt - same dyno, same day.

So bottom line here is that the 370 makes only 4 more HP than the HR 350?

Of course your dynos are not done on the same day, so maybe that's it. Maybe the 370 has more drivetrain loss.. ??

NorCalZman 01-25-2009 07:24 PM

Nice dyno vid. you can hear the Nissan DNA. It goes back a loooong way YouTube - 1988 Nissan 300ZX SS on the dyno

OMGWTFBBQ 01-25-2009 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skaterbasist (Post 23320)
They must be hiding a JDM sticker somewhere around the engine bay :icon17:

Obviously can't be this one. :rolleyes:

http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:...335_2898_l.jpg

Skaterbasist 01-25-2009 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370z2 (Post 23540)
This Dyno is pointless. Its the only dyno of its kind the puts down such low numbers. Not even a mustang dyno will give numbers like that. There are numerous dynos showing the Z putting down almost 290whp, that is consistant to what the crank 332hp is putting out. If the Z was a 332hp car that only put down 250whp then the Z would 80+ hp to drivetrain loss and that is not the reality.

What makes this dyno pointless? People keep on forgetting the main reason behind a dyno is for tuning purposes. Numbers are just numbers. What really matters is how those numbers change within the same dyno during any modifications.

A dyno is only pointless if you're just looking for a "number".

If the 370Z read 310 whp in a dynapack, then read 240 in a mustang dyno, does that make any difference?

Skaterbasist 01-25-2009 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cown3d (Post 23571)
o but so wrong you are

see the thing is this dyno dynamics and mustang dyno's are 'loaded' dyno
they simulate the weight of having to move the car also!
so when you on a dyno jet and get your 290whp, thats just how much you can make to the wheels
when you make that power on a loaded dyno thats the power you actually HAVE moving the car.
also they are alot better for tuning because they simulate actual load on the motor and drivetrain better, providing more accurate tuning

One of the better dynos out there for tuning is a dynapack, which just happens to read higher than most dyno's out there.

One of the many reasons why dynapacks are great is because they are very consistent. I have never seen that consistency from any other dyno. Not only that, but the fact that they read off of the hubs really shows how specifics mods affected your cars performance without having other variables such as a change in rotational mass (ie. just happened to get a new set of wheels that are heavier) skewing the effects of engine modifications.

I'm not saying other dynos aren't good for tuning but its great to avoid all those other variables when someone is tuning a car.

Speaking in general and not directing this to anyone... people these days care too much about "numbers", specifically peak numbers, without really understanding what they're really looking at.

Supergoji 01-26-2009 12:01 AM

why was this test done in 4th gear instead of 5th?

the Z34 should be able to go to 7300rpms at 155mph, 200rpms short of redline.

Crash 01-26-2009 12:36 AM

^^^ Good question. 5th is 1:1.

370ZDreamer 01-26-2009 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skaterbasist (Post 24179)
What makes this dyno pointless? People keep on forgetting the main reason behind a dyno is for tuning purposes. Numbers are just numbers. What really matters is how those numbers change within the same dyno during any modifications.

A dyno is only pointless if you're just looking for a "number".

If the 370Z read 310 whp in a dynapack, then read 240 in a mustang dyno, does that make any difference?

I could not agree more. If you are really concerned about high dyno queen numbers, go find a high reading dyno. For tuning, as long as you have a baseline and a final number, most any dyno will do the job. How the numbers change before and after modifications on the same dyno is all that matters.

Ryan@IP 01-27-2009 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crash (Post 24213)
^^^ Good question. 5th is 1:1.

On most 6-speed cars, the difference in numbers between 4th and 5th is negligible, if any. We did test in 5th as compared to 4th on one pull and it was exactly identical. Other cars, not just Nissans, have shown the same thing for us. Using 4th as opposed to 5th goes a little quicker and puts a bit less stress on the engine.

For what it's worth, we were able to achieve similar results yesterday, proving the DD's consistency. We decided to test XXX Racing Fuel's 138 octane oxygenated blend. It was good for a 14whp gain through much of the powerband. Not bad for just adding some gas!

Full story and video on our blog: XXX Racing Fuel gains 14whp on stock 370Z : Injected Performance Blog

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3385/...e178c4d934.jpg

DirtNasty 01-27-2009 01:34 PM

wow, that's pretty impressive! where can I find out more info on the XXX race gas that you used?


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