New savagegeese review of 2020 370Z
 

This might already have been posted elsewhere (I couldn't find it), savagegeese recently did a review of the 2020 370Z 50th Anniversary Edition (though their comments apply to all 370Z's generally). I think he's one of the best reviewers out there (even though most of this test was done by some new guy, maybe an associate or an intern?):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_IVv4t91zI

Jack Singapore? He's been on the channel multiple times.

I agree with most of the review tbh

Love his reviews, incredibly detailed and honest, with a practical big picture perspective


And the key point which I've said before:
Buy it used, save thousands, be happy

He was a bit of a boo-boo when he drove the Nismo a while back, as if he just wanted a reason to complain about something. He does acknowledge that he is warming up to it when accounting for the broader view of the car industry.

Jack isn't horrible, but the moments he studders or misspeaks kinda seem out of place in an otherwise typically very well-composed savagegeese video. It's also weird when he talks about what a car can do but it's not exemplified...like an armchair race car driver of sorts.

Like he said he was going to "light up the tires" in his LC500 review, and did the exact opposite. I don't know if it was a cut/footage issue, or that's some very dry sarcastic humor. I'm not trying to go on a tangent here, or hate on the guy, but I haven't really looked to Jack or savagegeese as a wholesome resource. They touch on some key things and have awesome production value, but the takeaway does nothing for giving me an impression on a car. The Straight Pipes seem to give a better sense of how a car is in reality even though they're hardly technical and literally use a single corner for a performance baseline.

Man, that thing is FUGLY!

I really don't like the red & white.

The Dude in the comments nails it!

Everyone: I wish they still made a simple, affordable, reliable sports car with enough horsepower and not to much tech. A manual gearbox is a must.

Nissan: 370z

Everyone: eeeewwww! It’s old and simple and doesn’t have enough tech!

Nissan: :facepalm:

Because cost matters. $35k for a stock, new Z is a terrible buy, $45k for a new nismo is even dumber

Trim ten grand or more from cost on a used one? Much more reasonable

I can say the same thing about 95% of the sports cars out there today.

Yeah but most (if any) sports cars out today are not on their literal 10th year of production on the same exact engine/platform.

I mean sure if the Z really just ticks all the boxes for a particular person in 2019/2020, and they have the money to give no craps about financial value, and relentless obsession to call it the car of their dreams, and they want a warranty, ok — Buying it new is justified.

If we're talking about the best value sports car on a more objective level in this pricing tier, it's probably more like a Camaro SS, Mustang GT, or used Corvette C7. No, they don't necessarily capture all the intangibles of the Z, but bottom line they are faster with vastly superior creature comforts.

Lauwdee, so many words about all this...

Just buy what you fancy and the boot to what others think.

The Camaro and Mustang are NOT “sports” cars and if we’re talking used, the Z is a bargain over the C7, but that apples and oranges, since we are talking new.

The C8 on the other hand... :yum: But still tech heavy and no manual gearbox (yet).

How’s $60,000 to $100,000 for a new Supra with no manual gearbox.

the 60k supra is better than any new Z you can buy, sorry

used, less so

a turbo kit is $10k in parts, before labor and tuning

no need to puff up the Z. It's an old platform, it shouldn't hurt your feelings that it has flaws in is current form on the dealership lot compared to new cars


have you seen any of the new supra? there's alot of modern engineering, GOOD engineering that went into it, plus the platform has built-in upgradeability, much moreso than the Z

the smallest example? The fender vents on the supra are blocked off in current form - but they're THERE. Its design to be opened up, its placed in a location to function, and future performance versions will feature them. or you can just remove the blockage

on the Z? i have to hack up the fender to install the Finite Element fender vents.

its little things like that you don't really "think about when you say "60k supra" versus "45k nismo"

and yet, still true.

You seem to think I’m a Z fanboi. While I love my USED Z I’m far from a fanboi. You keep comparing used to new when it suits you.

How’s this, you have $70,000 to blow on a new car. You can buy a Supra (maybe) or you can buy a Z and put $35,000 into it.

I guarantee you the Z will smoke that BMW in every way, including looks.

Personally, I buy a C8 and spend the left over $10,000 on beer and women. But that’s me. YMMV.

i'd buy neither because both are dumb purchasers

but buying the Z would be dumber

and i wouldn't cry about an online review about a 10 year old car

45k for nismo. 60k for base supra or 75k ish for top trim

Hmmm i would get the m2 comp with a stick at that price. Atleast its not trying to be a bimmer

Base Supra is $49K, Premium $53K and Launch Edition is $55K (red seats, red mirrors and forged 19s)... add all the extras and you'd maybe be around $60K

I don't care what the price is, it's 100% ugly. No deal.

$35,000 for a NEW sport Z. No reason to spend the extra dough on the Nismo. The extra $10 grand in my pocket will get the Sport fixed up better than the factory NISMO.

I put 5,000 into my sport and it’s already faster than the stock Nismo. The other 5,000 can go towards top guns air to air supercharger kit.

Your not counting the “dealer availability” tax. I’ve seen them advertised for anywhere $70,000 to $200,000.

I can buy TWO C8’s or one Ferrari for that kind of scratch.

I’m not crying about anything. My original post was people are complaining that there are no more NEW affordable, reliable, basic sports cars with a manual gearbox.

But there is! You guys just want to trash it cause it’s “old” and basic. LOL!!

PS: Haters gonna hate...

The review was for the 2019 50th Anniversary Edition. Where are you getting 10 years old?

You’re all over the place, Sparky. Settle down and stick to the subject.

Hmm; def a unique "style" of car review. However Id like to hear from the forum on the comments made at approx 15:40, where he states that in the midwest the scca guys nickname our car the "360"Z in reference to a tendency to snap oversteer. Has anyone here (as owners) also heard or experienced a "problem" with snap oversteer?

Nope. Maybe if you don’t know how to drive it....

My eyes also glassed over when he was bitching about the “on center” feel. He rambled on for 5 minutes about it and I still have no freaking idea about what he’s talking about.

My favorite part was the follically challenged “technician” who started his review with “Ive never liked these cars“

LOL!!! Oh, well good enough for me!

Have not.

Another highlight was when the “reviewer” didn’t like the exhaust “sound”

LOL!! Put a fart can on it, Snowflake! All the other millennials will love it!

soooooooooo 2 pages and i didn't see anyone question that this reviewer dude's name is savagegeese......

:facepalm:

that name alone, seals the deal that i will not be watching his review.

Why would I count that? All that is, is a price dealers are tagging onto the car for those that want to be the first to have it and are stupid/compulsive/impatient (you can choose) enough to pay for it... wait a few months and it'll go back down. Same thing happened with the Focus RS and Civic Type R...

...and not one but TWO C8s for the price of a Supra? Yeah, that car definitely won't get that hype tax either :ugh2:

Accuses someone of being a snowflake, yet is overly sensitive about one out of numerous unfavorable recent reviews of their car


Also mentions the "modifiability" of the car as a part of its value proposition.



What do you want man? Not everyone is going to see the Z the same way as you do, and that's okay. It's really disappointing to see someone who brags about doing things "longer than these kids have been alive", but hasn't learned the basics of what an opinion is supposed to be.

I'm losing brain cells reading these threads.

Sorry. Touched a nerve, huh?

You Supra fanbois are touchy! Stay on topic, please!:stirthepot:

Yup, "fanboi" for calling people out in incorrect information and stupid comments :rolleyes:

That's what I was saying in one of my early posts in this thread, from time to time it's like they just speak as a secondhand account.

"It can do this"
"It will do that"
"It has this problem"

It can be true, but hardly any of this is exemplified to actually warrant complaining about it. Or they should speak more in depth about it. I'm not saying they have to be Top Gear, but they need to stay more on point with the driving situation their review is actually based on.

71k up to 120k for a gr in canada... +all the canadian taxes and stuff. At 71k the m2comp is much more tempting.

Fair enough. I got it new because i got a deal and an amazing finance rate. I came from a sport touring and i can say the nismo is nicer. I mean 47k usd msrp is like 60k cad and wouldnt touch that. This is the true bargain sports car.

If the supra was 50s and flood the **** out of the market i could see it killing sales like the toyobaru twins super saturating in 2 years

Anything that can be oversteered can be “snap” oversteered. I don’t understand his point.

Yes, it seems to be very unpopular with fanbois to review someone’s review.

The 2019 is minimally different than the 2009. And the vast majority of those differences are tiny cosmetic changes like racing stripes :rolleyes:

Even the 2019 370Z is a 10 year old car no matter how you slice it.