Try to tell the kids today...

https://youtu.be/VKHFZBUTA4k

Lets get more basic. Most can't swing a hammer or use a shovel. I got my kid working for me this summer so he can buy his own car. It's everything i can do to not either scream at him or call his mother and ask WTF she did the last 10 years. :shakes head: he only has a month left before going back to school and I'm not sure if I'll make it that long.

between the idiot engineers and all the new hires:iamwithstupid:

And how many can read a tape measure? I know of some engineers who can't. :rofl2: I had one helping me measure a metal piece on time. I was holding the end, and he pulled out the tape measure to the other end. I asked him what it was. He told me 10, 6, and 7 small lines. :facepalm: He was trying to tell me 10ft, 6 and 7/8". :facepalm:

Doug's review is more than fair, I actually thought he'd score it a lot worse, since the Z has fallen so far behind modern competition. He knocks on it for how little features it has, but if he consistently does this with all the vehicles he reviews, it'd be stupid if he gave it more points for "being good for the time". He never pretends to be an expert, but he certainly has experience reviewing vehicles.

It's amazing so many of you trash him while also saying "i'll stick to people who know what they're talking about" - why? If anybody listened to experts, none of us would own Z cars.

I've had "three little lines" said to me way to many times. And lets not get started on engineers:shakes head::stirthepot:

Edit: add architects to that list too, you should not be allowed to draw anything without 5 years minimum apprenticeship in that field

When I worked for AquaTech. We built the water treatment system for the new Saturn car factory. At the shop, we preassembled the whole system. Everything fit perfectly. Disassemble and shipped the system to the site. Another crew located and anchored the 8 tanks. Installed all of the piping but for tank #8. The piping to #8 was 2ft short. :icon14: The engineer who was responsible for the lay-out got chit can. :rofl2:

LMAO!

I am a millennial, albeit the earlier part of the group, but work my @$$ off and hard to live the life I have. Most of the millennial group, IMO, feel entitled and don’t want to work for sh*t (if you are offended by this comment, then you probably fall under this category). Even at my job, I got promoted a few times fairly quickly, even above people who were once my superiors.

I know plenty of architects that have been practicing for 25+ years and still don't know wtf they are doing :eek:

"That's how I've always done it" is not an acceptable excuse for being stupid. That just means you've been doing it wrong for a long fuckin time, dumbass :shakes head:

I find some good ones here and there but the pile you have to sift through is massive. I did just get 2 brothers, 21 and 24 or so, that both want to work and are not complete dumb***es. But the rest want to get paid $5000 an hour while staring at their phone for 6 hours a week.

I don't deal with them anymore but when i was building homes the mistakes where outrageous. Point loads outside the roof line, walls sticking up above the roof, bad math.....

I had to subscribe to this guy's YouTube's channel and I know what he says is semi-accurate but in general, he tries to be funny not knowing that some of his trashings make the actual owners of the vehicles he is reviewing unhappy as really how can you tell how a car feels if you base it on having it less than a day. I have a friend who bought a Miata and hates it yet Dougie says its the best car in the world....he is entertaining thou if you have nothing else to do but look at his channel. Thanks to him I'm switching to porn or maybe the channel called A Woman Driven at least she has nice hams...:driving:

This thread went downhill fast

Absolutely, there are those that want to work and will bust @$$, but hard to come by.

And I just re-read my post and wasn’t referring to you about the comment in parenthesis being possibly offensive, but rather to the general public.

:tup:

This thread needs a new direction.

.

This is my take on things over the years. Skilled trades is dying. Kids coming out of high school don't want to get their hands dirty. They spent years inside playing video games that does nothing to prepare them for life after school. So they go to college which fosters the wrong ideas to prepare them for after college. When they come out of college. They have this idea in their head that they will start at the top, get the corner office, with 2 sets of windows to look out of, plus top pay too. If they don't get that. They want their safe spaces. :shakes head:

I’m guilty about the part right outta college. Right after graduation, I got a decent job lined up and thought I was the sh*t. It was my HR director that put me in my place and humbled me, for which I am grateful. And it does seem like a pattern of whenever I interview applicants, most of them have this expectation of having a cush and easy workload, but when I tell them of a typical day, they look like a deer in headlights.

Ok, back to bashing douche demuro.

For those that gripe about the Z that bought earlier models, ok I can understand. But for those that recently bought, you knew what you were buying and still gripe about being outdated? Why did you buy?

I didn't read this entire thread, but did anyone catch the part where he said there was a "subwoofer where the spare should be, but there's no spare"?

He didn't even bother to look a little deeper/better to see that the sub is mounted to the spare.

Things like this and all the other stuff mentioned in this thread is precisely why I never pay attention to reviewers no matter what it is.

If I want to read reviews on something, I dig up random forums and sites online where actual people like you and me post up our actual experiences with the product. That's where you get your most accurate reviews, not some a$$ clown who thinks he knows what he's talking about and makes a living off of it.

You figure a "professional" review would include research before doing the review. Just so you don't come across like a dumbass. The fact that a few things he said sound like diarrhea. Also, I guess I am one of those true sports car type guys though, I mean, who needs electric seats and sound deadening material because of "road noise", only to spoil the ride by adding weight. Then have "reviewers" complain about the Z being too heavy for a sports car.

There has always been hate by most reviewers on this car. People should make thier own opinion by test driving one before judging on some else's biased diarrhea, erm, review.

Funny how one guy can trash talk and another person actually state the facts... :driving:

Agree 100%.

A true sports car, IMO, would be something raw and without the luxuries. I think Honda did a good job with the s2k CR where even AC was an option.

Some people should stop and think about what it actually takes to develop a brand new car and how much that costs. When you sell more mustangs in one year than Nissan has sold of the 370z since 2009, there is a lot less to invest in future models. Ford can sell enough to invest in a new mustang every 5 years or so. Nissan maybe waiting to make return investment before investing into a new Z.

Eh, in 2008, the car was a $45k vehicle, but now? No way. Not when we have camaros and mustangs absolutely slaying it for much less. Back in 2008, you needed a P car, Cobra, or corvette to tear it up. Even as late as 2014 or so the mustang lacked irs, etc. and the camaro sucked. Now? The Z is just a fanboy car. Nothing wrong with that if you're a fanboy, and thats okay, but it has no curremt selling points from a technical stance.

So? Screw them. Who in this thread holds Nissan stock? If they can't get with it, why do they deserve an excuse and a charity sale?

Sounds like I struck a nerve, not my intent. Purpose of my comparison was simply for sales figures only. The fact that people compare the Z to a muscle car, pony car and SEDAN, is absurd. When you compare apples to apples performance wise and in the same category, the Z is STILL a good buy for what you get. The Z was never intended to be a muscle car equivalent. And if they did, I personally would move on from the Z, and buy a sports car/grand tourer.

The Z at 45k is within several grand of the new Supra...

Base is around $30,000
Sport is around $34,000
Nismo is around $45,000

You can find many 2015-2017 Nismo models used with under 30,000 miles for less than $30,000 on auto trader.

Edit: The new supra will be $50,000-$55,000. It is also made in Austria, has been in development for years, is just a hard top Z4, and was co-developed with BMW to save costs on developing a new sports car.

You maybe right. In 2009, the Z was having 987 Cayman like handling and made more power than a Mustang GT with the 4.6L V8. Back then, Z owners didn't mind comparing the Z to anything with 4 wheels. The Z even won the C&D comparison test against the BMW 135i, Mazda RX-8 and Pontiac Solstice. But time has changed. If there is a new Z in the near future and, once again, handles like a Cayman and makes more horsepower than a V8 muscle car, I am sure Z owners will be posting comparison test results all over the forum again. People just like to compare, especially when they are winning.

I was annoyed that he seemed upset over the Z not including rear seats for the price. Bringing up rear seats as a comparison is ridiculous, as anyone who's tried to use the rear seats in a Mustang will attest to them being quite useless outside of a backpack. Regardless of price, sports cars don't need rear seats! It's not a selling point for a sports car! He complained about the lack of a storage compartment behind the driver's seat. It's a driver-focused design with elements accessible to the driver. The gauge clusters are a staple of the Z brand - we all know the clock is redundant! The digital screen is old, but neither of those things negatively affect what the car is made for.

Yes, the NISMO, is overpriced if purchased new today, but I don't know anyone who's purchased it new. He complained about the NISMO/Z badge in various places on the car, but didn't complain about that same treatment on the Koenigsegg Agera he reviewed last year. He was actual quite fond of that on the Agera, which contradicts his own opinions. It shows that he's quite unfairly biased in his "reviews", didn't know a lot about the NISMO, and shouldn't be taken seriously.

It's a 10 year old enthusiasts car with no nanny assists, and I don't miss any of that. Just wish the NISMO started at 400WHP NA...

I agree with the above post ^

As I told you guys already, his review's get a Dougey score of 2. Some folks like him, I just don't care for his style at all.

I got my 2019 nismo with great finance rate under CDN msrp. I dont know why us pricing is exact same (47k cdn vs 47k usd) difference is yuge. Like worst deal in like the history of ever for the usa.

Lol dang this review hit a nerve, there even a rebuttal out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slu57zARzG4

Wtf, even Harris review didn't get this much noise. So out of curiosity I watch the damn thing again. No, he doesn't like it but he also stated the following (more/less):
- faster than I expected
- decent auto transmission for not being dc
- reasonable power
- tighter, surprisingly well balanced (handling an asset)
- noise is OK, good but not 40k good (expecially compared to regular Z)
- end of life; needs a refresh (not competitive anymore)

Nothing new, nothing crazy or misleading. And to highlight his summary..

...This is a fun car, its exciting, its thrilling, it looks cool and its fast. Just not enough to justify 40K.

The Doug score just his thing and far from perfect, but there is gem in there as well
- handling is 7/10.

Totally normal for anyone to state you don't like someone, that how the internet works lol. But geez the dude drives a ford GT and gave the Z a 7/10 for handling, one of the *main* reason we own this car. Im out guys lol

That and the FOB engine start to just hold the FOB, really? Worse than that, those are touchscreens. How could he possibly miss that? You just touch a button on the screen and you'll see they work quite well. Finally, he didn't know about the button caps in the center console are for seat heaters for certain models and also a hatch release.

I agree with everything above. By the way my definition of a sports car is a "2 seater" Anything with 4 seats "even if not usable" is a muscle car !!! Nothing wrong with muscle cars, you just can't compare the two. As far as many of the big name reviewers have said, QUOTE - Z is old and needs new body style. The Z car is no different than the Corvette C3 body style that ran from 1968 all the way to 1982... Thats 14 years and the car still was appreciated and sold well. Then C4 corvette ran from 1984 to 1996, that is 12 years and that car sold well also. Not knocking Corvette at all as I owned an 81, 92, and 2002 Z06. When a manufacturer has a body style right, they can afford to leave it alone and just refine. In any event I do look forward to new styling from Nissan in the future. Hot Rod Z

Lots of cars with back seats that aren't muscle cars:

GT86/BRZ
911
older 2+2 Z's
older Supra
etc.

Let me be a bit clearer, many of the car magazines and car comparison sites suggest when looking to buy a Z to also look at Camaro, Challenger, Mustang and seem to put them in the "Sports Car" category which they are NOT ! I was not saying all 4 seat cars are muscle cars. Sorry for the misunderstanding ...

:confused:

I guess you did not read my revision to my original statement and you only picked out small parts of my original statement. Unfortunate :tiphat:

slight off topic here, but its always an interesting subject. I like to think of "muscle" cars as the ninja turtle of the car world, a beef up version of an otherwise normal car. For example

base mustang
- normal (economy) engine
- normal suspension/tires
- normal aerodynamic (smaller spoilers, etc)

muscle version
- high output engine
- larger wheels/tires
- stiffer suspension
- more aerodynamic

You won't see the ecoboost mustang being compared to the Z, a cayman or even a miata. Its going to be the GT and that cool, they are impressive but its still a bit of a wannabe sports car.

What was Dougie’s score on his Mustang’s electric power steering unit that craps out just after warranty?