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2020 Z....opinions
Being retired and bored, I just went to the Nissan site and tried to build an exact vehicle like mine and to my surprise, there are no Sport /Touring with manual transmissions....why? ( I know most of you will say...."because Nissan can").
I think that should increase the value of those of us who have manuals, sports/ touring, don't you think so. Personally, I wouldn't replace my vehicle with a newer one if all I could only get was with an automatic transmission, just my opinion. :driving: |
If it was for maybe 2-3 years out of the Z34's lifespan I'd think they'd be worth more but with 10 years worth most likely not. Nissan's probably just relabeling them (the 2020s) to get them out the door without having to actually manufacture more lol
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All manual transmission sports cars will be sought after and desirable in the future.
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In the past, the three main reasons to buy a manual were: greater durability, more gas mileage, and more fun. New autos have all but done away with the first two. Laziness is working on number three. I've gotten pretty lazy - I haven't had a manual vehicle in about a decade (last one was a '67 Mustang that I sold to make room for the 2009 Z I had). |
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Your car isn't worth any more than it was before Nissan got rid of the MT Sport/Touring package. Most people don't care. There will be some people out there that may be willing to pay more if you can find them. But the fact is the OEM nav is terrible and no one wants it. You can take care of all the touring package elements with options from Nissan or better aftermarket parts.
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Regarding manual transmissions, it's the reason I just bought a Z. Granted, I always wanted one for some time, but we were actually looking to replace my wife's Altima Coupe 6MT. We were sad when they stopped making those. And probably even if they did still make them, there wouldn't be a manual available.
So our search first led us to the Infinity Q60. Awesome car, but we were suprised to learn there was no manual transmission available. On to the Lexus RC350. Again, awesome car, no MT. (We both loathe automatic transmissions). I remember the salesman being a bit surprised/offended that we didn't even want to test drive it. We also looked at a BMW (don't remember the model), but we didn't really care for the looks of it. So, it was on to the Z. My wife thought it was too small, at first. But when I saw her get out the car grinning after the test drive, I knew we found the car. Through the entire process, we were genuinely suprised at the limited availability of vehicles with manual transmissions. Back to topic, I'm grateful there's still a cool car available with a manual transmission. I'm not sure how much longer that will be the case. |
Can sill get a Lotus Evora with three pedals. A true driver’s car.
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The Z was one of the greatest sports cars of its generation. 2009-2014. The 2015 Nismo should have just been the 2015 Z. The price should have been lowered to $42k for a nav model and that one model sold. It was the closest thing to being the next model up.
If we were gonna keep the lower units? I think the sport model should've heen the base model by 2015 for base pricing and the touring model should have remained with the sport pkg for$35k. No more base model. That would've kinda made more of a business case to elevate sales volume and overall enthusiasm for the Z while destroying the business case for selling such a weak powered FRS, thus forcing Toyota to build a more powerful FRS and work harder for a higher hp supra. Like 400hp. On Japan's side the hp wars are over which kinda crippled the jdm sports car industry. While the Z is still an awesome car and the GTR is the best OVERPRICED car on the market. I think Nissan and japan as a whole have been a disappointment. I'm grateful for the supra but im hoping this car sells well and morphs into something grand. I hope Nissan is honest in saying they will build an in house Z without aid of another company and show us that they still love heritage. So in my conclusion. While I believe the Z34 itself is one of the best sports cars of the millennium. It's also outdated, outgunned and outperformed by very generic vehicles at this point. It's lasted too long. We need something competitive. |
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I was a teenager when all the fast and furious 2000s **** kicked off... SO I have a huge softspot for gaudy decals/wraps/paint But for some reason im really not liking the way they did them on the 50th anniversary car... It looks like someone took a base model and just slapped some rice paint/decals or whatever on it, Im sure some color schemes are better then others though.
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Since we're on opinions here, I think they should just kill the Z. No one is buying them, and they're not looking like they are going to put the VR30 in the car. I get that it's a last "analog" car with it's manual transmission, port injection, and basic gauges, but at some point, the car itself is just plain outdated.
If I were in the market for a sports car now, I'd likely get a Supra. I'd go for the overall balance of performance and core experience of the car as a whole vs looking at features. Give me a base model with only the "performance" upgrades and i'm ready to go. I would likely modify it anyway, and I love how Toyota has set it up to do that; reinforced trunk lid, air flow that can be unblocked when necessary, and early access to the tuning companies (who already have some parts in working prototypes for the car). There would be no way I would even consider buying a new Z. I care more about how the car over/understeers way more than whether I have to use a clutch to change gears, but It's all down to your priorities. You either adapt or get left behind. |
yeah, i wouldn't go for the 2020. They haven't changed anything, same cluster, etc. Nowadays every car has a digital cluster. The cluster on the Z looks outdated compared to other cars. Thankfully I already have another car if I were to sell the Z to get a different car. I'm thinking of 16-17 vette grand sport
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Hopefully all the rave reviews of the new Supra being Toyota's best drivers car ever forces Nissan's hand to do a thorough rework of the Z.
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I am not trying to be be defensive but the 370Z is still one of the best looking cars IMHO.
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Nissan will put out a Z34 with a VR30DDTT call it a 300ZTT and then kill the program.
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Since these are opinions, I would rather have a 2020 Supra over the Z at this point.
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I am amazed... "Kill the Z.." Wow. Sell yours Buddy, you don't deserve it. Why not buy a BRZ,FRS, XYZ or LMNOP or something like that. I think you'd be happier. Then move on to their website and spare us Z Enthusiasts please.
Back to Point, I think the Sport/Touring Model is now re-labeled as the 50th Anniversary. I just checked on the NissanUSA website and you can pick up a 50th Anniversary Manual Tranny with the Synchro-Rev Match as well as leather appointed interior, Bigger Brakes and 19" Ray's... No Fear, it's just a labeling issue, but it's still there... |
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Seriously... that thing is FUGLY! Before I plunked down 50 large for that rolling turd, I’d put $25,000 into my Z and never look back. My Daizy puts out the same numbers, looks a ton cooler and cost me $20,000 less. I don’t need digital gizmos. I actually like the analog gauges. |
47k msrp for nismo or 65msrp (base supra)
Hmmm plus first year quirks. Yea pass |
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I too think the 370z is a beautiful car, but it is hard to convince new car buyers to fork out $40k when you can get a nice used one for about $20k. I hope there will be another iteration of the Z, but it's quite doubtful from the economic stand points. There is no profit in the sport car market. Everyone is buying the cross-overs, suv's and EV's.
on a different point, Just read the test results on the new Supra in 'car and driver' magazine. It looks really nice and fast. It is a bit wider and longer than the z. 1/4 mile time at 12.3 sec, and 0 to 60mph at 3.8 sec. MSRP at $55k. There will probably be $10k markups, but it'll be interested when the hype/price cool down next year or so. Quote:
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Despite its age, the Z's exterior styling still turns heads. It's the standard equipment that shows the car's age and turns potential buyers away. Driving the Z and my wife's F30 back-to-back really is night and day. The BMW's intuitive touch screen, excellent backup camera, various driving modes, and all the other sh!t people want but don't need actually make it an enjoyable cruiser. It's not fast by any means, but enough to put a smile on my face. I wish Nissan made incremental improvements to the Z over the years to keep it more competitive such as sound deadening, slight increase in power, better infotainment system, etc., instead of just slapping on some decals.
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For me the Z is more exciting. That's why I bought a new manual Sports Tech last year. It was the first sports car that I have ever had in my 64 years on this earth. It had the look and the nostalgia to go along with it. As someone said, "It is a new old car." Just what I wanted to keep me smiling!
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you're right on.... new car buyers want something new regardless of the 'need'. I have the full loaded version of Z and like the interior just fine.... but it is quite dated compared to the newer cars.
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The Z is a fun car, just make sure you shop around the price a bit before you decide to purchase. Comp from dealers using different sites like cars.com, autotrader, and autolist. That way when you go to a local/ dealer you know what to expect and possibly have a bargaining chip. I love the Z but I also agree, it's due for a little revamp.
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reviving the topic, I noticed something that bothered me since day one. The voice controls...really, no matter who is in the car and I have them speak to the unit for "anything"...it doesn't understand or communicate well. I thought it was my thick Brasilian accent but it's not. My son just bought a Charger and even recognizes who farted in the car, now that's technology. :driving:
All kidding aside it matters because it's supposed to do what is supposed to do, but I've learned to type all the information and put my phone numbers on shortcut so I don't have to bother to say a word. If I was buying a new car and the technology was a factor the Z would not make the list but it sure makes up for the way it handles on the road, a driver's car...:tiphat: |
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I shake my head at the negative comments from the bench racers on line (who've never actually driven the car) about how the 370Z is 'dated' and 'old'. Yes, it is, but for me that's exactly the attraction. Everything these days is moving towards 'turbo 4' engines and silly video game 'paddle shifters'. So many people lament that there is a dearth of cars with that old-school analog feel, naturally aspirated torquey engine, manual transmission, and rear wheel drive. The 370Z is exactly that car. As another thread said, it's one of the last truly analog sports cars that places driving feel and pure fun above meeting emissions requirements. Yes, the infotainment system is obsolete, but it still works, and if you don't like it, the answer is simple: get a car without it. Other than that, I think the styling is still almost show car gorgeous, and the performance very competitive with the only other analog sports cars out there - the Miata, and the Subaru BRZ/Toyota 86 (which I've also been seriously considering; the Toyobaru twins are a fun driven though with an anemic engine). I think the 370Z is one of those cars that will be missed when it's gone (which, given what a mess Nissan is in these days, may be soon; I'd bet that the 2020 model year will be the last for the 370Z). |
Analogman, great name and great response. My wife and I have a few cars. This is my favorite for a bunch of reasons. First is the looks, then there is the analog feel, followed by knowing that there is enough power to enjoy. My wife has a 2017 Miata, which also looks very nice and has a simple convertible top that is fairly easy to operate and robust (unlike the Z convertibles, it seems). The Z is more fun for me and there is nothing like it for the price.
In the winter I drive my front wheel drive sedan. For towing and loads, there is a pickup. For speed and high thrill on the open road I drive one of my sports bikes. However, for a big smile with comfort and feel on four wheels, this is the car that I drive! |
The local dealer told me...
That more and more women either buy cars and/or have a say in what their hubbies buy and the females don't want a standard transmission. He flat out told me the female consumer has killed the stick and, in order to remain competitive, they are following the trend. For female fans of sticks, and those who know them, your beef is with Nissan, not me. I spoke with the general manager, service personnel, and other employees who are fans of the Z and they all repeated the same story. Next door is a Mazda dealer. I went there to snag the last pieces for Mazda Rx7s they had hidden in some long forgotten corner (my son's 84) and brought this topic up. They all agreed that what the Nissan folks said is indeed true. Buy one while you still can.
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