Perfectly according with you Evader...

17K more for a brand new Nismo compare to a base one was a way too much for me and thing people did not realize...try a Nismo before to take your decision.

This car is so stiff on the road i would definitely would never use it as a dealy driver...probably i am now too old for that but i used to have Porsche car for more then 26 years (all kind of Porsche but most of the time a 911) and believe me when the suspension is hard as rock you will absolutely never have fun to use it on the street.... at least here where i'm living in Quebec.

Of corse if your intention is to use it most of the time on the race track just buy a Nismo if you can afford, this car is fantastic to drive and it is what you need otherwise just buy a Base or Sport model and you will be totaly satisfy....as i am now....like i said i used to have Porsche for so many years that it is easy for me to compare now and believe me folks you will never get a better sport car for the price of any Z. Of corse i do not compare the new 2018 Porsche with my new 2018 370z but if you compare buying price for buying price you will never find any Porsche that can beat the Z on any way.

Once again spend 17K more for a Nismo does it really worth it....??? did you ever realize foR 17K you can get a brand new car!!!

Robert
2108 370Z
Passion red

There really is no debate except for the suspension that was both entertaining and informative :ugh2: but UNKNOWN already gave u guys the game. Unless u just don't like both Nismo body kits u don't really have an excuse to not buy a 1 or 2nd owner Nismo for the same price of a sport. Anybody that has taken a nice corner in a base/sport and then a Nismo knows..

OK, so the 3 general takeaways from this thread is see are:

1) Those that bought Nismos love their cars and the extras that come with the higher price.

2) Those that bought the base or sport love their cars and appreciate the value it offers.

3) Everyone seems to love their 370Zs.

Everybody wins. Enjoy...

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All right Zingston....... you'r right on!!!!!!!!!!!
Bravo

Robert
2108 370z
Passion red

What's the actual difference in the front end length and approach angle between the sport and the Nismo?

Current spec difference is 3" in length between a Nismo and the sport/base and that my friends make a huge difference in satisfaction to a lot of women I know. Good luck with the angle question.

KCZ..,

Like Axmea said, the difference in lenght between base and Nismo model is 3 inches and in weight regarding the 2018 model
The difference is exactly of 116 pounds more for the Nismo model...this represent a huge difference.


Robert
2018 Passion red

AH!!! sorry man, I totally misunderstood too. I thought you were comparing apples to oranges. sorry about that

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The first Z I bought was a 1983 280zx. I drove it for 3 months before learning that a turbo model was offered as well as T-tops. That's all I wanted and the normal zx was not good enough anymore. Sure people swapped in turbo motors and modified their n/as to be better than 280zx turbos (this was in the late 90s), but a turbo t-top manual transmission seemed better. I finally found one I liked and decided that from now on, there's no point in getting anything else other than exactly what you want in a car. If you feel you like the looks of a nismo, then get the nismo. Most people will never get around to frankenstening nismo parts on their 370z, much less getting a nismo body kit on it. Don't half *** what you want.

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Agreed!

I learned the hard way with my last car: 2007 wrx, wanted the Sti. Ended up pouring $13k into the stupid thing with multiple parts, tunes, maint, everything over 6 years. In the end, it never handled like I wanted it to, it just became nervous at the limits, and 3rd gear self destructed.

Take the higher car payment > sinking thousands in cash which could go into retirement/investment/etc...

The only difference for me btw Nismo and base+sport is the final ratio that can be compared here https://www.z1motorsports.com/upload...GearRatios.pdf

Everything else on this car is pretty much the same to me.:tiphat:

I don't know if this will help you at all but...from a purely objective standpoint regarding performance. There is very little difference between a nismo and a sport. I'll give you an example...check out this link to look at lap times.

Go down 26 spots and you'll see three 370z's there, Greg, me (Malko) and Tracy. Lap times are close for amateur racers, one tenth and 3 tenths of a second respectively. Greg's car is pretty well modified, BC BR coilovers on swift springs, 4.08 gears, Maxxis RC-1 tires (slicks), eibach sway bar, ecutek tuned, cold air intakes, exhaust and berk high flow cats (might be missing a few things).

At the time my car was a 7AT, nismo aero, almost dead Bridgestone RE71R's, Stillen Gen3 CAI, Berk HFC's and a Hotchkis sway bar.

Tracy had an actual nismo and I'm not sure what tires he was running at the time...but his car was fairly stock.

Of the 3 drivers, I probably had the least experience at the time, Greg had the most for sure. All I can say is, don't expect a huge difference if you get a nismo...in my opinion the cosmetics are worth it on an 09-14 nismo, not a huge fan of the 15+. Additionally I think it's more functional and produces more downforce, so some things to think about. If you like it, buy it. I bought a sport and threw on the nismo body kit and didn't stop there. If money is an issue, you could do the same...buy the cheaper model, grab a nismo kit cheap on this forum, get it color matched and throw it on. My only advice is that whatever you do, at least go with a base + sport package, touring + sport package or a nismo (has sport pkg included). The brakes, wheels and diff are worth it.

Regarding the recaro's, initial feedback I am getting from people is that they are overrated. They look nice but aren't comfortable and don't even offer enough bolstering to even be worth the discomfort.

The question still lingers, “to Nismo or not to Nismo” that does seem to be the question? Well I am going to offer up my two cents. I have owned a 2012 Touring coupe, auto, with the sport package for about two years, I recently purchased a 2016 white pearl Nismo, auto. Yes, I auto tranny’s on both, what was going through my mind. Well, I really had no strong preference on the trans and that is what came along on both.

The 2012 coupe handled and drove extremely nice, great acceleration, nice turn in, and great brakes. I did add sound proofing in the hatch area, hatch door, both side doors, and foot well areas. I also installed an Invidia Gemini exhaust system. This gave the 2012 coupe the audio feedback that was sweet to my ears.

I drove the 2012 coupe to the location of the Nismo which was about a 40 minute drive so the feel of the car was very fresh when I jumped to the Nismo for a test drive. My first impression was the Nismo felt more solid even a bit refined, odd I know. I could not put my finger on what I was sensing differently between the two cars. The ride itself is firmer but not to the point as to being harsh, very nice acceleration yet hard to tell the difference between the two cars. I don’t track my cars, however, we have some great drivers roads In my area where you can take your car for a spirited drive. These roads are well off the beaten path and some-what isolated. I’m not referring to driving like a mad man, just staying on it into the curves.

I get less of a feeling of speed with the Nismo, yet when I look at my speed I am hitting the curves at or above the speed I drove the 2012 coupe. Again, I was not sure why I was not sensing the speed that I was with the 2012 coupe. As I drove the Nismo more I finally stated to understand what I was NOT feeling, vibrations. It was either the Invidia exhaust on the 2012 coupe or the body dampers on the Nismo that was the difference in feedback I was getting from the two cars. The handling also contributing to the difference in feedback in the Nismo. I enter each corner flatter and exits with little change in body profile. What I find odd is that I did not notice any of this when driving the 2012 coupe. It too always felt firmly planted when driving, or so I thought. This Nismo takes it up a notch or two and gives the driver greater confidence in the cars overall grip.

Is the cost difference worth it? Well thats a question you can only answer for yourself, as for me, yes it was. This is because its not only the bump in performance and handling, I also like the way the car looks and that I know is very subjective.

What also played a part in my purchase of the Nismo and not adding the performance and handling mods to my 2012 coupe was that I would have to trust others for much of the work. My experience with having someone make changes to my car have not been the greatest. Along with that, another consideration I had was that the Nismo is a factory, warranted track ready performance car. There is some comfort in that, at least for me there is.

Well there it is, not sure this will help anyone make the decision to purchase a Nismo, just thought I would share my experience.

Thats great feedback, although...it should be known that no 370z is track ready, including the nismo. But that's a different discussion altogether.

The difference you're feeling between the two in terms of handling comes down to the springs and sway bars. The nismo has springs with a higher spring rate and a slightly thicker front sway bar. The nismo CHASSIS dampeners also help reduce NVH which probably translates to the smoother ride you are feeling.

Something to keep in mind is what year the nismo is, 2015+ they changed the setup to be a bit softer and compliant compared to before. Either they replaced the springs with something softer and or they replaced the sway bar.

Also tire selection can also have a dramatic impact on how the car handles and feels. Big difference between a set of Yokohama advans and the Bridgestone RE-11s that now come on the nismo from the factory.

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The nismo dampers actually increase nvh as they have a higher compression force.

Not sure what you meant by that last sentence, but re11's are not factory supplied.

In reference to your first statement please check out:

https://global.yamaha-motor.com/business/pd/index.html

okay. what does this have to do with the nismo dampers and how they are actually stiffer than the regular dampers?
Nowhere in the article does it say stiffer rates equals less nvh.

Are we looking at the same dampers? The 2015+ Nismo has both a front and rear chassis damper, this is what I have been referring to. Not the shocks / strut (dampers) even though their rates have been increased over the standard 370. I hope this helps clarify.

we are not talking about the same thing at all.

You're right, we aren't talking about the same thing at all. However, what he quoted in that article IS what i was talking about in the first place. I should have said chassis dampeners, i was not referring to the struts.

Those dampeners do reduce NVH and they do smoothen the ride, I may be wrong on Nismo's coming with RE11's from the factory but i distinctly remember a friend telling me he regretted getting a 2014 because he found out 2015 nismos were shipping with RE11's. Again, my bad. I'm human and I make mistakes.

i'm guessing you guys are talking about chassis bracing. calling them dampers is universally confusing and inaccurate. The article is talking about high performance dampers, actual dampers for the suspension, not chassis bracing. So i still don't understand. Hopefully i'm alone in this confusion.

Again, Nissan calls them dampeners therefore we call them dampeners. I don't expect you to know this since you drive a G37, but if you looked around this forum enough you'd realize what these are and that the people who drive these cars know what they are and what they are for. So yes, i think in this thread...so far you are alone in being confused by this. :ugh:

https://www.z1motorsports.com/front-...mo-p-9277.html
http://www.the370z.com/nismo-370z/93...hat-doing.html
http://www.the370z.com/diy-section-d...ce-damper.html
http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...y-dampers.html

i wouldn't have known what you were talking about in either case as you stated dampers, directly after talking about springs and sway bars. I understand what it is you are talking about now.

Ok, cool. Now that we understand each other...lets move on.

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