Ice: Making every day joe a pro drifter since the Ford model T.

Red370 · 12-04-2009, 06:43 AM

So it snowed and iced up overnight here in the beautiful sun city, quickly learned this morning that our car sucks with stock tires on ice, traction control or not, even starting in 2nd on level pavement the car had issues, makes me nervous about driving her up to Ohio....

kdo2milger · 12-04-2009, 07:30 AM

nothing on the ground here in central tx yet...im not looking forward to driving with others on the road when/if it does...

shadow2k · 12-04-2009, 07:31 AM

Traction control doesn't mean what I think you think it means.

Those tires will be like hockey pucks. Go get some winter tires, or a 2nd car.

phelan · 12-04-2009, 08:17 AM

they're called summer tires for a reason...lol

yubman · 12-04-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

they're called summer tires for a reason...lol

Even without snow, summer tires loose major traction when the tempreture drops.

Get winter tires or at the least a good set of All-Weather ones if you want to drive in cold weather.

theDreamer · 12-04-2009, 08:58 AM

Eh, not worth the money in Texas, snow is rare but just be careful. I borrowed the parents SUV this morning since it started snowing when I left.

kdo2milger · 12-04-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Eh, not worth the money in Texas, snow is rare but just be careful. I borrowed the parents SUV this morning since it started snowing when I left.

on the winter tires...

on the snow

Red370 · 12-04-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Eh, not worth the money in Texas, snow is rare but just be careful. I borrowed the parents SUV this morning since it started snowing when I left.

Youre probably getting ready to get the shyt we just got, it snowed 8 inches here, and yes i know "summer" tires wont do well on ice, i'm from Ohio, I know these things. And i'm full aware of what traction control does, but it DOES aid when the back end slides out, and I could see it was attempting to do something. No point in buying another winter car or tires, it snows maybe one or two days here, and clear the rest of the year.

Zeto · 12-04-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

Youre probably getting ready to get the shyt we just got, it snowed 8 inches here, and yes i know "summer" tires wont do well on ice, i'm from Ohio, I know these things. And i'm full aware of what traction control does, but it DOES aid when the back end slides out, and I could see it was attempting to do something. No point in buying another winter car or tires, it snows maybe one or two days here, and clear the rest of the year.

Actually our traction control does nothing for yaw control. Unlike Honda's VSA which can control any brake on the vehicle to prevent a spin or a slide, our VDC just cuts throttle, if IIRC.

ChrisSlicks · 12-04-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeto

Actually our traction control does nothing for yaw control. Unlike Honda's VSA which can control any brake on the vehicle to prevent a spin or a slide, our VDC just cuts throttle, if IIRC.

No, it controls yaw as well. It can sense both understeer and oversteer. However if there is no traction to be had on any wheel there isn't much it can do, but it does try!

Zeto · 12-04-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

No, it controls yaw as well. It can sense both understeer and oversteer. However if there is no traction to be had on any wheel there isn't much it can do, but it does try!

I read in the manual that it only cuts throttle, where did you see it controls yaw as well?

shadow2k · 12-04-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeto

Actually our traction control does nothing for yaw control. Unlike Honda's VSA which can control any brake on the vehicle to prevent a spin or a slide, our VDC just cuts throttle, if IIRC.

Yes, it just cuts power. I think it is a crappy system, and gives people a false sense of security. In my opinion, it is more dangerous than nothing at all.

It will stop minor slides before they start. It will make major slides worse by robbing you of the ability to control it.

I turn it off.

kannibul · 12-04-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Eh, not worth the money in Texas, snow is rare but just be careful. I borrowed the parents SUV this morning since it started snowing when I left.

I find it funny that you got hit with snow before us...lol

bullitt5897 · 12-04-2009, 02:16 PM

Yea I tracked the car in monsoon like rain on a cold day and I will tell you even 4th gear will get you completely sideways on the straight away! The TC will cut the power keeping the wheels from spinning from too much torque but it also kicks in when it feels a sideways slide... I.E. on the track it would apply the brakes when I got the car to 4 wheel drift and try to straighten me out

so I cut it off and wow I never knew how hard keeping traction in the rain was in this car!!! so I have learned if you need throttle response in a drift or in poor conditions you better turn it off and know what your doing too! a little throttle goes a LONG way!

Zeto · 12-04-2009, 03:16 PM

Good explantion Chris!

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bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3682	Yea I tracked the car in monsoon like rain on a cold day and I will tell you even 4th gear will get you completely sideways on the straight away! The TC will cut the power keeping the wheels from spinning from too much torque but it also kicks in when it feels a sideways slide... I.E. on the track it would apply the brakes when I got the car to 4 wheel drift and try to straighten me out so I cut it off and wow I never knew how hard keeping traction in the rain was in this car!!! so I have learned if you need throttle response in a drift or in poor conditions you better turn it off and know what your doing too! a little throttle goes a LONG way! __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

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shadow2k Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Overland Park, Kansas Posts: 143 Drives: 09 PG 370z 6MT Rep Power: 15	Traction control doesn't mean what I think you think it means. Those tires will be like hockey pucks. Go get some winter tires, or a 2nd car.

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Zeto Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: North NJ Age: 40 Posts: 766 Drives: 09 Pearl White 370Z Rep Power: 267	Good explantion Chris!

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