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kannibul 12-01-2009 02:16 PM

American Muscle...Made in Canada.
 
I saw the episode of Mega Factories, and they covered...the Camaro...which is made entirely in Canada.

I sincerely hope that the next one of us that has to deal with some douchbaggery from the Camaro crowd that says something like :buy american: help them understand that saying generally means United States of America, and not North / Central / South American, and kindly inform them that their car is made in a foreign country as well.

Just some food for thought...:tiphat:

avitech 12-01-2009 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 302683)
I saw the episode of Mega Factories, and they covered...the Camaro...which is made entirely in Canada.

I sincerely hope that the next one of us that has to deal with some douchbaggery from the Camaro crowd that says something like :buy american: help them understand that saying generally means United States of America, and not North / Central / South American, and kindly inform them that their car is made in a foreign country as well.

Just some food for thought...:tiphat:

That is absolutely right. The Camero is made in Canada and as far as I know so is the new Dodge Challenger as well.

vash_241987 12-01-2009 03:03 PM

lol.....a little OT, but when people say "buy america" and drive off in their dodge...little do they realize that they are helping mercedes benz :tiphat: ....

Mirnes 12-01-2009 03:08 PM

I saw the same episode. Kinda funny haha

Modshack 12-01-2009 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by vash_241987 (Post 302728)
lol.....a little OT, but when people say "buy america" and drive off in their dodge...little do they realize that they are helping mercedes benz :tiphat: ....

Well....Mecedes sold that turkey some time ago. Now your money goes to Fiat!

Inspector71 12-01-2009 03:12 PM

Buy American
 
I am still laughing about the woman I saw in the American made mini-van a few Sundays ago. She was a large blond woman puffing on a smoke. In the right rear of the window was the cartoon guy urinating on "IMPORTS" In the left rear was a black and gold UAW sticker...and then she turns into Walmart. I used to buy American, mostly Chevies but, after so many mechanical problems, I said no more. I still have some American cars but they are from the 1960s. I laugh when people argue that buying an American car somehow makes them more patriotic than me.

kannibul 12-01-2009 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspector71 (Post 302743)
I am still laughing about the woman I saw in the American made mini-van a few Sundays ago. She was a large blond woman puffing on a smoke. In the right rear of the window was the cartoon guy urinating on "IMPORTS" In the left rear was a black and gold UAW sticker...and then she turns into Walmart. I used to buy American, mostly Chevies but, after so many mechanical problems, I said no more. I still have some American cars but they are from the 1960s. I laugh when people argue that buying an American car somehow makes them more patriotic than me.

Well, it's in my personal opinion that I will not buy a vehicle from a company that pays a guy $30/hr to sweep floors.

And they wonder why they have to have a money-back guarantee now?

FricFrac 12-01-2009 05:57 PM

...and don't forget the 370Z was designed by a Canadian as well ;)

StLRedrider 12-01-2009 06:04 PM

so much for being american made, i was told that the g8 is made in australlia i think, wtf and we got all these peeps laid off

Jjaden 12-01-2009 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 302683)
I saw the episode of Mega Factories, and they covered...the Camaro...which is made entirely in Canada.

I sincerely hope that the next one of us that has to deal with some douchbaggery from the Camaro crowd that says something like :buy american: help them understand that saying generally means United States of America, and not North / Central / South American, and kindly inform them that their car is made in a foreign country as well.

Just some food for thought...:tiphat:

The whole 'Buy American' policy is so retarded I can't begin to understand the logic.

If everyone only bought goods produced in their own country, much of America would quickly be unemployed.

If Americans only buy American goods why should any other country purchase goods made in America?

Anyhow, fortunately most people disregard this policty and buy goods based on quality, pricing and performance, as opposed to the country the goods are produced.

SmoothZ 12-01-2009 07:44 PM

So what are you saying? That Canada is another country? Dude.... they're the 51st state.

vash_241987 12-01-2009 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SmoothZ (Post 303097)
So what are you saying? That Canada is another country? Dude.... they're the 51st state.

that has national health care :icon18:.....

SmoothZ 12-01-2009 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by vash_241987 (Post 303141)
that has national health care :icon18:.....

and takes weeks to get MRI's or cat scans and shyt..... lived there, done that, know about all the BS behind national health care. they still pay for it through income tax, and you have to pay for the health card out of pocket.

Also.... they have a quota system. When I lived there, a doc had to see so many patients a year and they all made the same money. Boom! Meet your quote 3 months before the year is over? You get yourself a nice vacation and tell your patients 'buh-bye.' See you next year!

cab83_750 12-01-2009 08:23 PM

Would "assembled" be considered "made?". Isn't a lot of Japanese branded vehicles assembled in America?

Made in America is beginning to be a very slippery slope.

On the other hand, I vote for buying American made.


P.s.

Should Camaro be relabeled Camara eh! :)

kenchan 12-01-2009 10:41 PM

assembled and made do not mean the same.

chief_Roka 12-01-2009 11:48 PM

Even the vette plant is in canada. I saw a documentary on corvettes in the speed channel. More american cars are built in canada, mexico germany and australia. Its so stupid. People don't realize that the auto industry is a world market now. So there's no longer any patriotism in making cars anymore. The only thing we can thank america for is taking an original opel car and cheapening the interior,rims and treatments to the point of disgust.
By the way. Nissan has a huge plant in alabama n the produce quite a few models there. I believe most infiniti's are built here as well. Between nissan honda and toyota they have more plants here than GM does. Pathetic

chief_Roka 12-01-2009 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by vash_241987 (Post 302728)
lol.....a little OT, but when people say "buy america" and drive off in their dodge...little do they realize that they are helping mercedes benz :tiphat: ....

Mercedes divorced them in the beginning of the year. In early summer FIAT became 60% owners of chrysler. They are supposed come out with a new slew of compact cars in 2011.
I know they are cancelling the magnum and are considering either the 300 or charger. Crazy!

GTRFAN 12-02-2009 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jjaden (Post 302950)
The whole 'Buy American' policy is so retarded I can't begin to understand the logic.

If everyone only bought goods produced in their own country, much of America would quickly be unemployed.

If Americans only buy American goods why should any other country purchase goods made in America?

Anyhow, fortunately most people disregard this policty and buy goods based on quality, pricing and performance, as opposed to the country the goods are produced.

:iagree:

FricFrac 12-02-2009 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SmoothZ (Post 303161)
and takes weeks to get MRI's or cat scans and shyt..... lived there, done that, know about all the BS behind national health care. they still pay for it through income tax, and you have to pay for the health card out of pocket.

Also.... they have a quota system. When I lived there, a doc had to see so many patients a year and they all made the same money. Boom! Meet your quote 3 months before the year is over? You get yourself a nice vacation and tell your patients 'buh-bye.' See you next year!

Not quite.... doctors bill out per client to Medicare. They don't all make the same money. Were you in Canada or Russia?

Regardless of your finacial well being, race, colour or creed all Canadian's are entitled to equal care. That means the single mom with three kids can still get the medical care she requires. That's while paying roughly the same income taxes as her equivalent in the USA. So in fact in the USA YOU are paying out of pocket. Granted the wealthy can get quicker medical care in the USA than your average Canadian who may be required to wait for non-emergency care.

Holliday 12-02-2009 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mirnes (Post 302735)
I saw the same episode. Kinda funny haha

Your car was made in Mexico, kinda funny haha

Pushing_Tin 12-02-2009 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by chief_Roka (Post 303559)
Even the vette plant is in canada. I saw a documentary on corvettes in the speed channel. More american cars are built in canada, mexico germany and australia. Its so stupid. People don't realize that the auto industry is a world market now. So there's no longer any patriotism in making cars anymore. The only thing we can thank america for is taking an original opel car and cheapening the interior,rims and treatments to the point of disgust.
By the way. Nissan has a huge plant in alabama n the produce quite a few models there. I believe most infiniti's are built here as well. Between nissan honda and toyota they have more plants here than GM does. Pathetic

Huh? The Corvette is made in Bowling Green Kentucky.

Chevrolet Corvette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote:

The Chevrolet Corvette is a sports car that has been manufactured in six generations since 1953 by the Chevrolet division of General Motors. The first Corvette was designed by Harley Earl and named by Myron Scott after the ship of the same name. Originally built in Flint, Michigan and St. Louis, Missouri, it is currently built at a GM assembly plant in Bowling Green, Kentucky. The National Corvette Museum and annual National Corvette Homecoming, also located in Bowling Green, celebrate the car's world-wide history.

avitech 12-02-2009 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jjaden (Post 302950)
The whole 'Buy American' policy is so retarded I can't begin to understand the logic.

If everyone only bought goods produced in their own country, much of America would quickly be unemployed.

If Americans only buy American goods why should any other country purchase goods made in America?

Anyhow, fortunately most people disregard this policty and buy goods based on quality, pricing and performance, as opposed to the country the goods are produced.

I agree with you. What you are saying is right. It is a global economy these days and it has always been that way since the States decided to buy and sell globally all made possibly by container ships, freight trains, and cargo planes. Once the States stops doing business with the rest of the world then the money flow stops dead in it's tracks.

Also Canada is the States closest ally right now. We need Canada just as much as Canada needs us. It's not a safe/secure world out there. If we band together with Canada we will be a whole lot stronger and unconquerable then if we were both to have just kept to ourselves as isolationists.

Lastly for those who don't like Canada. My suggestion to them is to at least visit and experience the place first if you haven't yet. You would be very impressed when you see Banff, Vancouver, Toronto, the W.Edmonton Mall, and places like Quebec and Nova Scotia. It's actually quite friendly, warm and inviting.

avitech 12-02-2009 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Holliday (Post 303599)
Your car was made in Mexico, kinda funny haha

As of today I would never buy a car from Mexico since that country still isn't known for quality cars just yet. The VW Jetta diesel is made there. Which is too bad since I like that car. All the previous VWs made in Mexico were full of problems galore. I should know because my friend had a VW newbeetle from there and it was put together improperly. As a matter of fact after it got hit in an accident, the body shop put the side view mirror back on the correct way compared to before when it was brand new. So they went ahead and fixed the other mirror as well.

Yet, not everybody follows my example. The other year the best selling car in Canada was a Mazda 3 which is made in Mexico. It's a popular car in Canada because of the cheap starting price. Making it more competitive with other cars.

6MT 12-02-2009 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac (Post 302937)
...and don't forget the 370Z was designed by a Canadian as well ;)

:iagree::bowrofl::tup::icon18::excited::icon14:... .:owned:

370Zsteve 12-02-2009 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by StLRedrider (Post 302944)
so much for being american made, i was told that the g8 is made in australlia i think, wtf and we got all these peeps laid off

The G8 is a Holden (Aussie GM) design. Has been long before it was brought here, it's not a new car design.

The woes of the US manufacturing base are not confined to the auto industry, it is a problem many decades old.

Absurd union contracts as well as management failure have pretty much ruined our economy. There can be no sound economy without a manufacturing base. We can't survive on the service sector alone. We cannot survive if everyone is working at Wal Mart. Our politicians are inept and do not ave the skills, the balls or the intelligence to fix the problem. :shakes head:

370Zsteve 12-02-2009 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by avitech (Post 303838)
All the previous VWs made in Mexico were full of problems galore.

Link for that statement? Just because you know one guy who had a problem with one car you label the entire industry as faulty? :shakes head:

Holliday 12-02-2009 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 303876)
Link for that statement? Just because you know one guy who had a problem with one car you label the entire industry as faulty? :shakes head:

Cerveza is to blame!
:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:

Modshack 12-02-2009 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chief_Roka (Post 303559)
Even the vette plant is in canada.

Turn in your Car Guy badge Chief:shakes head:.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin (Post 303622)
Huh? The Corvette is made in Bowling Green Kentucky.

Um...Yup...:tup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by avitech (Post 303838)
All the previous VWs made in Mexico were full of problems galore.

You're probably too young to remember the quality of the VW product coming out of Westmoreland PA..... Unfortunately they built em just like the Americans were in '73-74..

chief_Roka 12-02-2009 12:25 PM

Yes sir... my bad. I checked and it is built un KY. The show I saw did roll one out from a canadian plant though. But maybe it was rolled out as a GM pride thing. Either way I found an interesting article on the global car market.

How do you tell which car is more American? - USATODAY.com

JB1 12-02-2009 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 303871)
The G8 is a Holden (Aussie GM) design. Has been long before it was brought here, it's not a new car design.

The Camaro is based on the same (Zeta) platform as the G8/Holden Commodore. In fact, the Camaro was developed by Holden in Australia and the exterior design is by a Korean guy. How's that for an "American Muscle car" ;)

kannibul 12-02-2009 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jjaden (Post 302950)
The whole 'Buy American' policy is so retarded I can't begin to understand the logic.

If everyone only bought goods produced in their own country, much of America would quickly be unemployed.

If Americans only buy American goods why should any other country purchase goods made in America?

Anyhow, fortunately most people disregard this policty and buy goods based on quality, pricing and performance, as opposed to the country the goods are produced.

It stems from the idea that the US used to be a leading manufacturer...and this slogan was formed when there were closing of US Steel mills and other manufacturing businesses moving outside the USA, mostly due to EPA regulations making it cost more to do business here, and they couldn't compete...but the idea was to spend money, even if it is more, on US made items to keep our economy strong and keep the manufacturing companies that made WWII winable, here. (Imagine if we had WWII next week - we can barely keep up with the "war" in Iraq (and now Afganistan) we have now...)

To try and do that today is next to impossible, as most of the items we buy have parts that come from outside the USA, even if they are assembled here.

Also, most people purchase based on perceived value, ie, bang-for-buck.

The Z is a great example of it - in terms of performance cars, it's got the best bang-for-buck of any other performance car out there.

kannibul 12-02-2009 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chief_Roka (Post 303559)
Even the vette plant is in canada. I saw a documentary on corvettes in the speed channel. More american cars are built in canada, mexico germany and australia. Its so stupid. People don't realize that the auto industry is a world market now. So there's no longer any patriotism in making cars anymore. The only thing we can thank america for is taking an original opel car and cheapening the interior,rims and treatments to the point of disgust.
By the way. Nissan has a huge plant in alabama n the produce quite a few models there. I believe most infiniti's are built here as well. Between nissan honda and toyota they have more plants here than GM does. Pathetic

I believe Nissan makes the Ultima and Maxima there. Probably whatever cars are the same platform as those with Infiniti as well.

Smart business to have the plant here for the better-selling cars. Still, the GTR and Z are MIJ. In a sense, that says they don't trust the US to make the higher-end stuff. =/

Even China is putting out good quality stuff on the cheap.

From a manufacturing perspective, the US is screwed...

Even from the services side of things - short of billy-bob making house calls, the growing trend is to outsource phone-based-services - india, france, phillipines...

kannibul 12-02-2009 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chief_Roka (Post 303566)
Mercedes divorced them in the beginning of the year. In early summer FIAT became 60% owners of chrysler. They are supposed come out with a new slew of compact cars in 2011.
I know they are cancelling the magnum and are considering either the 300 or charger. Crazy!

The magnum has been gone for a couple of years, I believe.

kannibul 12-02-2009 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 303981)
Turn in your Car Guy badge Chief:shakes head:.....



Um...Yup...:tup:



You're probably too young to remember the quality of the VW product coming out of Westmoreland PA..... Unfortunately they built em just like the Americans were in '73-74..

I thought the engine in the Camaro is the same as what's in the corvette?

If that's the case, then it's built in Canada (unless GM has two plants for engines...in which case that would be stupid)

AMCPacer 12-06-2009 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chief_Roka (Post 303559)
Even the vette plant is in canada. I saw a documentary on corvettes in the speed channel. More american cars are built in canada, mexico germany and australia. Its so stupid. People don't realize that the auto industry is a world market now. So there's no longer any patriotism in making cars anymore. The only thing we can thank america for is taking an original opel car and cheapening the interior,rims and treatments to the point of disgust.
By the way. Nissan has a huge plant in alabama n the produce quite a few models there. I believe most infiniti's are built here as well. Between nissan honda and toyota they have more plants here than GM does. Pathetic

Perhaps you meant Hyundai. They built a large plant in Montgomery, AL to build the Sonata, and maybe the Santa Fe. I think Nissan has plants in TN.

rcm2525 12-06-2009 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SmoothZ (Post 303161)
and takes weeks to get MRI's or cat scans and shyt..... lived there, done that, know about all the BS behind national health care. they still pay for it through income tax, and you have to pay for the health card out of pocket.

Also.... they have a quota system. When I lived there, a doc had to see so many patients a year and they all made the same money. Boom! Meet your quote 3 months before the year is over? You get yourself a nice vacation and tell your patients 'buh-bye.' See you next year!

:wtf2:

nuTinmuch 12-06-2009 08:04 PM

The way manufacturing works I seriously doubt anything made today is from any one place. Designs are often done in one country, bits and pieces in another, raw materials from another and the actual assembly in another.

That doesn't bother me one bit as long as I get a quality product.

IDZRVIT 12-07-2009 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SmoothZ (Post 303161)
and takes weeks to get MRI's or cat scans and shyt..... lived there, done that, know about all the BS behind national health care. they still pay for it through income tax, and you have to pay for the health card out of pocket.

Also.... they have a quota system. When I lived there, a doc had to see so many patients a year and they all made the same money. Boom! Meet your quote 3 months before the year is over? You get yourself a nice vacation and tell your patients 'buh-bye.' See you next year!

Let me see how the US system works. I have a serious medical condition but my particular health insurance provider does not agree with the diagnosis and hence does not honour my claim. Result? Increased profits at the expense of my good health! Not true you say? Well, neither are your observations about Canadian medicare. But I will give you a fact: all +30M Canadians can walk into any emergency room, at anytime, anywhere in Canada and get to see a doctor regardless of how serious their condition is. Yes, our taxes pay for this burden but I don't have a problem with that. Neither do the citizens of most western European countries and their free health care. Sorry for going off topic.

KillerBee370 12-07-2009 10:04 AM

So the bottom line is....

Cars are made everywhere. Whatev's.. regardless, not too much can be done (without proper leadership getting off of their a$$'s) about the state of our countries manufacturing market.

I vote we all get Vespa's and hang out in poetry coffee houses. :bowrofl:

kannibul 12-07-2009 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370 (Post 311294)
So the bottom line is....

Cars are made everywhere. Whatev's.. regardless, not too much can be done (without proper leadership getting off of their a$$'s) about the state of our countries manufacturing market.

I vote we all get Vespa's and hang out in poetry coffee houses. :bowrofl:

While it may seem trivial, GM's claiming that the Camaro is an American Muscle Car....yet it's not made in the United States. I mean, if you consider American to mean the North American continent, then sure...even then that's kind of sly.


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