Originally Posted by NTMG (Post 3557883)

What is the CSC issue?

Originally Posted by Jsolo (Post 3557890)

Test drive the new ats-v. I think it'll definitely change your perception of gm cars. I was thoroughly impressed (as I was with the new camaro ss). Only problem with the latter is it's very impractical. The caddy on the other hand has plenty of room, but a price tag of about 20K more.

Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3557778)

The GTO is rated to do 0-60 mph in 4.6 sec. The Z can do it in 4.5 sec.

The GTO is rated to do the 1/4 mile in 13.5 sec. The Z can do it in 12.9 sec.

In a drag race (stop light warrior), those don't look like winning numbers to me.



But, you all know what they say about opinions...

Originally Posted by Duc_Z09 (Post 3557806)

The small amount of power per displacement argument with American cars used to be true, but not so much anymore. A 5.0 Mustang GT makes like 430hp these days bone stock, and check out the Focus RS if you want a pocket rocket Z killer.

Originally Posted by Duc_Z09 (Post 3557806)

I'm not sure where you're getting your 4.5s and 12.9s numbers from, but those aren't realistic for a Z in stock trim. I've also read 5.2s and high 13s

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3557905)

I would loooooove to know where you got your numbers from. Because those numbers sound like a Z with intake/exhaust before a tune.

The only Z going to 60 in 4.6 seconds is the auto, when the stars moon and quasars alone if you're not taking off with a foot of roll-out.

12.9 quarters. Again you have to own a auto for it to be 13.1. Which is achievable on the regular.

13.0 when the stars and moons and quasars align12.9 with intake exhaust and no tune. From a roll the Z can keep up with or beat a GTO off the line if you own a auto you can run with a gto.

If you own a manual z you're looking at 13.3 and to 60 about 5.0 sec flat. You are right about opinions but your facts are all off.

Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3557958)

I'm not talking about the new American V8's, I'm referring to the ones that were available around the time of the OP's 2005 GTO.







All of this is sheer nonsense, and I'm not going to get into a debate about it either.

Any competent driver with a manual and good traction can meet those numbers. It has nothing to do with magazine reviews or an automatic transmission. Hell, there's even multiple threads on this very forum with members posting those numbers in their totally stock MT Z's. All you have to do is do a search.

Now all of a sudden it's an impossible task and those numbers can only be achieved under extremely perfect and/or bazaar conditions?

Oh, and let's not forget the extra 40 lbs or so for the AT as well as the greater drivetrain loss over the MT.

Either way, it boils down to which driver is better, and who cares anyway? Does it really matter that much?

In the end, my facts are NOT "all wrong".

Originally Posted by NTMG (Post 3557472)

I think the GTO 2004-2006 will be a classic in about 10-15 years. The Z is a beutaful car I just don't want to be underwhelmed with the drop in HP from the GTO to the Z.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3558120)

I'm as competent as it gets. The fastest I pushed my car doing about 20 runs was 13.0 before mods. It was one out of 20.

It matters when you're kicking inaccuracies about BOTH vehicles. I have seat time in both. I have over 5 years in my Z.


All I have to do is search? I've been here since the beginning my man. I know everyone here who has put a credible time down. But anyway....

Some of us don't have to fanboy up and make up numbers to feel pride for our cars... others not so much.

Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3558335)

Yeah well, just because you've been here since the beginning doesn't prove anything. I'm not a fanboy of anyone or anything, whether you believe that or not. Doesn't really matter to me. I'm just stating what I've read from multiple sources on multiple occasions over the years. Inaccuracies according to who? At this point, it's pretty much a he said/she said thing.

Funny, back in 2010 when people were posting those exact numbers on this forum, they weren't catching any flack about it.

BTW, just because you've owned your Z for 5 years doesn't mean you're the best driver out there for the Z either. But you know what, I don't know anything about you nor do you know anything about me, so let's just leave it at that. Enough of this bickering.