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Swindler 08-13-2016 03:17 AM

My G feels faster then my Z and it hurts...
 
My G feels faster then my Z



I have noticed ever since I started using the paddle shifters in my 7at G37S coupe more often sort of recently that my G pulls noticeably harder then my 6MT Z. Particularly in 2nd gear... it doesn't really matter what rpm I am at in the G in 2nd, it will pull hard if I give it gas. BUT... if I am in 2nd in my Z and give it gas the rpm really has to be higher up before it starts goin really fast, like I can floor it but if its not revved up higher it'll take a bit to build up speed. Thats fine I get that but how come in my G it just feels like it really pulls in 2nd even around 3k but in the Z i gotta wait for it to get to 5-6k maybe before it really pulls?



It may just be in my head but I feel like my G is just faster when using the paddle shifters and I don't really get it.. My Z should feel faster just because its so much smaller and lighter right?? Has anyone noticed this that has driven a G too? In fact I bet its probably the same way in the 7at Zs. They probably just pull really hard... I am not a pro at driving a manual, I learned on the Z 2.5 years ago but I feel really good with it now and I don't think that is the issue... A lot of times I just feel like the Z is slower.. maybe its in my head.. maybe it is and I just got a slow Z.. or maybe I just completely suck at life driving a manual but that can't be 100% the reason here.. NO matter what I still love my Z its way sexier then the G and I love that its a manual. I still love both. But the G feels faster.

ChopsZ 08-13-2016 06:05 AM

Shorter gearing in the G, plus the torque converter allowing some slip which in turn allows the engine to rev quicker. Doesn't necessarily mean you're accelerating quicker though.

SouthArk370Z 08-13-2016 07:03 AM

Butt dynos are not very accurate. Get an accelerometer (some cell phones have them built-in).

Louie cat 08-13-2016 07:04 AM

Not my nismo ,it pulls nicely with the little extra hp and shorter rear end gears it comes stock with :)

cv129 08-13-2016 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Swindler (Post 3535459)
It may just be in my head

Sorta, but not entirely invalid I think...

Expanding on what Chopz said, you are comparing 2nd gear pull of a 7AT with shorter 2nd gear and help from torque converter against a 6MT with electronic throttle control that delays throttle response.

I own a 7AT G Sedan as well, I know exactly what you mean.

MagmaRed370z 08-13-2016 10:00 AM

I've had both 370z one in 6Spped and the other in 7AT. I know exactly what you mean. The 7AT has shorter gearing (RPM goes up real quick) and being an automatic (it shifts really quickly) but in reality it's comparable depending which gear you are on and what RPM (on both)

cv129 08-13-2016 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Louie cat (Post 3535524)
Not my nismo ,it pulls nicely with the little extra hp and shorter rear end gears it comes stock with :)

I thought pre 15 Nismos have the same rear end ratio as the sport pkg 6MT

Chuck33079 08-13-2016 10:44 AM

My G feels faster then my Z and it hurts...
 
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Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 3535581)
I thought pre 15 Nismos have the same rear end ratio as the sport pkg 6MT



They do. There's no difference before 2015.

Swindler 08-13-2016 03:51 PM

My G feels faster then my Z and it hurts...
 
Thanks for the responses, I'm glad other people have noticed this too and not just me lol.


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forgot pw 08-13-2016 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Swindler (Post 3535459)
My G feels faster then my Z and it hurts...

I have noticed ever since I started using the paddle shifters in my 7at G37S coupe more often sort of recently that my G pulls noticeably harder then my 6MT Z. Particularly in 2nd gear... it doesn't really matter what rpm I am at in the G in 2nd, it will pull hard if I give it gas. BUT... if I am in 2nd in my Z and give it gas the rpm really has to be higher up before it starts goin really fast, like I can floor it but if its not revved up higher it'll take a bit to build up speed. Thats fine I get that but how come in my G it just feels like it really pulls in 2nd even around 3k but in the Z i gotta wait for it to get to 5-6k maybe before it really pulls?

It may just be in my head but I feel like my G is just faster when using the paddle shifters and I don't really get it.. My Z should feel faster just because its so much smaller and lighter right?? Has anyone noticed this that has driven a G too? In fact I bet its probably the same way in the 7at Zs. They probably just pull really hard... I am not a pro at driving a manual, I learned on the Z 2.5 years ago but I feel really good with it now and I don't think that is the issue... A lot of times I just feel like the Z is slower.. maybe its in my head.. maybe it is and I just got a slow Z.. or maybe I just completely suck at life driving a manual but that can't be 100% the reason here.. NO matter what I still love my Z its way sexier then the G and I love that its a manual. I still love both. But the G feels faster.


no worries.. my lightly modded GTI is faster dan both ur rides.

Raidernation 08-13-2016 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot pw (Post 3535752)
no worries.. my lightly modded GTI is faster dan both ur rides.

Good for you. Congrats on having a fast girl car.

osbornsm 08-13-2016 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot pw (Post 3535752)
no worries.. my lightly modded GTI is faster dan both ur rides.

Tell me more about... Understeer.

ramoszx12r 08-13-2016 08:21 PM

The best way to tell, is having a drag race. My money is on the Z.

Zbrah 08-14-2016 12:41 AM

You need a sprint booster.

UNKNOWN_370 08-14-2016 01:04 AM

An auto Z will pull anywhere from 4.6 seconds to 5.0 seconds.
A manual Z will pull anywhere from 4.9 to 5.3 seconds.

An automatic G. Will pull from 5.2 to 5.5 seconds.

A manual G will pull from 5.3 to 5.7 seconds.

Yes, the autos feel faster because of the torque converter and are faster because of .300 millisecond shifts.

Louie cat 08-14-2016 10:05 AM

Im not sure, maybe.

sgosh 08-14-2016 10:48 AM

If you guys have ever driven a Toyobaru BRZ/FRS, those things feel fast, even though they aren't. That feeling of speed - or lack thereof - can be quite deceptive.

P.S. Don't feed the trolls (ignoring traffic light racer GTI).

forgot pw 08-14-2016 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Raidernation (Post 3535782)
Good for you. Congrats on having a fast girl car.

lol so u acknowledge ur Z gets beat by a girl family hatch. :icon18: haha

but this day and age the reality is dat this is becoming true. :mad: the next Z better come with a turbo.

forgot pw 08-14-2016 11:28 AM

i think my Z was a great car for its time... 7yrs ago. how i felt the G35C was also a great car for its time... 12yrs ago.

UNKNOWN_370 08-14-2016 11:41 AM

Americans can care less about driving dynamics... just keeping it real. All they care about is meaningless straight line speed. That's why very few car companies are trying to work hard at fixing feedback issues with electric steering.

In 2009 & 10. This YouTube video is what sold the Z. When mustang improved the coyote engine to beat the new camaro & new Z34. Nissan sales went down.

Till this day, nothing over 300HP communicates through the steering wheel like the Z and the now defunct evo. And now that's gone.

If people keep buying cars solely based on straight line speed? Car companies will abandon handling for speed.

And that's when American people will cry for a car that handles. It's a vicious cycle of consumerism.

Support the sport. Not the trend.

https://youtu.be/77MstcS02Z8

forgot pw 08-14-2016 11:45 AM

get an STI and u get both.. :ugh: and none of dat DAS bullshitt..

MagmaRed370z 08-14-2016 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3535939)
An auto Z will pull anywhere from 4.6 seconds to 5.0 seconds.
A manual Z will pull anywhere from 4.9 to 5.3 seconds.

An automatic G. Will pull from 5.2 to 5.5 seconds.

A manual G will pull from 5.3 to 5.7 seconds.

Yes, the autos feel faster because of the torque converter and are faster because of .300 millisecond shifts.


This :iagree:

MagmaRed370z 08-14-2016 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sgosh (Post 3536027)
If you guys have ever driven a Toyobaru BRZ/FRS, those things feel fast, even though they aren't. That feeling of speed - or lack thereof - can be quite deceptive.

P.S. Don't feed the trolls (ignoring traffic light racer GTI).


I recently drove a BRZ (and it had intake and exhaust) those things are soooooo slow. I didn't feel the perception of being fast at all. Yeah they take forever to rev up and go thru the gears.

kenchan 08-14-2016 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot pw (Post 3535752)
no worries.. my lightly modded GTI is faster dan both ur rides.

:iagree: this guy states the truth.

xfrgtr 08-14-2016 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3535939)
An auto Z will pull anywhere from 4.6 seconds to 5.0 seconds.
A manual Z will pull anywhere from 4.9 to 5.3 seconds.

An automatic G. Will pull from 5.2 to 5.5 seconds.

A manual G will pull from 5.3 to 5.7 seconds.

Yes, the autos feel faster because of the torque converter and are faster because of .300 millisecond shifts.

4.7 seconds manual Z
"Locked and loaded with a 332-horsepower, 3.7-liter VQ37VHR V-6 and unique “SynchroRev Match” six-speed manual, which blips the throttle on downshifts without a heel-toe maneuver, the Z rips to 60 in just 4.7 ticks on its way to a quarter-mile run of 13.3 at 105.7."
2009 Nissan 370Z - First Test numbers for the new Nissan 370Z - Motor Trend

kenchan 08-14-2016 03:52 PM

u newbs are all magazine spec racers? go enjoy ur Z's. they're fast enough for street. there are just faster family car out there in 2016...

like odysseys and girly hatches and such. :ugh:

UNKNOWN_370 08-14-2016 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xfrgtr (Post 3536137)
4.7 seconds manual Z
"Locked and loaded with a 332-horsepower, 3.7-liter VQ37VHR V-6 and unique “SynchroRev Match” six-speed manual, which blips the throttle on downshifts without a heel-toe maneuver, the Z rips to 60 in just 4.7 ticks on its way to a quarter-mile run of 13.3 at 105.7."
2009 Nissan 370Z - First Test numbers for the new Nissan 370Z - Motor Trend

Yeah but that 4.7 was because the moon stars and quasars aligned when the Z god came out that once a year. 4.9 can be hit on the regular.

ZeeBabar 08-16-2016 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3536144)
u newbs are all magazine spec racers? go enjoy ur Z's. they're fast enough for street. there are just faster family car out there in 2016...

like odysseys and girly hatches and such. :ugh:

For me, the car is fast enough and that cute butt can't be beat. The exclusivity is what is attractive for me. Mustangs and American muscle cars are all over the place.

kenchan 08-16-2016 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by osbornsm (Post 3535811)
Tell me more about... Understeer.

yah those are called Junkook tires.. dont u run those crap tires on ur Z? :icon17:

mishuko 08-16-2016 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgosh (Post 3536027)
If you guys have ever driven a Toyobaru BRZ/FRS, those things feel fast, even though they aren't. That feeling of speed - or lack thereof - can be quite deceptive.

P.S. Don't feed the trolls (ignoring traffic light racer GTI).

that deceptive lack of speed in the z is scary... looked down and I was substantially higher than the posted limit. oops.

I mean I was doing 130km in a 90 zone and it felt like I was going 90. didn't help no one was around and I was like well shiat. gotta slow down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3536144)
u newbs are all magazine spec racers? go enjoy ur Z's. they're fast enough for street. there are just faster family car out there in 2016...

like odysseys and girly hatches and such. :ugh:


or prius... :ughdance:

Swindler 08-16-2016 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar (Post 3537166)
For me, the car is fast enough and that cute butt can't be beat. The exclusivity is what is attractive for me. Mustangs and American muscle cars are all over the place.



For sure, the looks are amazing! And I don't see many of them at all which is cool, at least for now I don't see many


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markesc 08-16-2016 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3537198)
yah those are called Junkook tires.. dont u run those crap tires on ur Z? :icon17:

I ran those RS3's on my wrx: wasn't impressed. Tried every conceivable tire pressure and even 2 diff alignments. Just not the tire the magazines raved about at the time.

Pilot Super Sports for the Win.

MagmaRed370z 08-16-2016 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mishuko (Post 3537242)
that deceptive lack of speed in the z is scary... looked down and I was substantially higher than the posted limit. oops.

I mean I was doing 130km in a 90 zone and it felt like I was going 90. didn't help no one was around and I was like well shiat. gotta slow down


This is true. 3 red lines and you are going 120.

kenchan 08-16-2016 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by markesc (Post 3537616)
I ran those RS3's on my wrx: wasn't impressed. Tried every conceivable tire pressure and even 2 diff alignments. Just not the tire the magazines raved about at the time.

Pilot Super Sports for the Win.

RE11's ftw

AestheticCM1 08-18-2016 01:24 PM

Or Pirelli P Zero if you like road noise and don't mind sacrificing tire life for grip.

kenchan 08-18-2016 06:36 PM

i donno, never liked p-zero's. they have dat ugly tread too..

DeliriousClam 08-18-2016 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AestheticCM1 (Post 3538953)
Or Pirelli P Zero if you like road noise and don't mind sacrificing tire life for grip.

I'm probably going to go pirelli. I can't hear anything with my exhaust or if I have my stereo on anyway

UNKNOWN_370 08-21-2016 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mishuko (Post 3537242)
that deceptive lack of speed in the z is scary... looked down and I was substantially higher than the posted limit. oops.

I mean I was doing 130km in a 90 zone and it felt like I was going 90. didn't help no one was around and I was like well shiat. gotta slow down.




or prius... :ughdance:


If you drive the Z in the lower speeds at higher revs, you'll feel like you're going faster than you are. But you'll be burning a shyt ton of gas.

Drive it in the proper revs and the speed will creep up on you.


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