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shadow2k 11-23-2009 09:41 PM

The poll will be skewed, mainly because you've got people who don't own the car basing their answer on previous threads about oil temps.

If you'd asked me before I bought the car, I'd have ponied up an extra $1k for an oil cooler.

Having bought the car in July, driven it hard (not tracked) in 100 degree temps in the humid Kansas weather...don't see any need for it now. I vote no need or desire for one.

Mike 11-23-2009 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZKindaGuy (Post 293419)
There is no defect so there is no reason for Nissan to pay out of their pocket. These cars are made for the street and the oil temperatures are on the whole just fine.

If you intend to run the car at the tracks that is your choice. It takes the car out of the intended use as warranted by the manufacturer. And that is where the majority of reported high oil temps have been reported.

If you want to play then you are one who neeeds to pay....NOT the manufacturer and certainly not us customers as a result of people who think your way and tehn the prices get boosted up

Then why do they put them on every press car?

shadow2k 11-23-2009 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike (Post 293644)
Then why do they put them on every press car?

How many of the press cars were taken to the track to be driven at speeds well beyond the legal limits of any public road in the US?

ZKindaGuy 11-24-2009 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alan93rsa (Post 293493)
ZKindaGuy,

I bet you owned a Yugo and liked it :tup:

Nope...had Mustangs my entire life...

ZKindaGuy 11-24-2009 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike (Post 293644)
Then why do they put them on every press car?

Probably because those cars get put through extra-ordinary paces when being evaluated which far exceeds the average driving and is more like race course driving.

370sed 11-24-2009 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ConchZ2 (Post 292470)
No need for an oil cooler in New England............

It's 80-90+ degrees mid summer...

1) I'm at NJMP, or Le Circuit MT, or Calabogie, or Limerock Park for an HPDE. I plan on a full tilt interm/advanced group day of tracking. I don't need an oil cooler?

2) I'm in stop and go traffic in Boston, NY, Phili, etc. The pavement is broiling, the traffic is thick. I don't need a oil cooler?

:eekdance: in hot :roflpuke2: oil

Just my opinion, but if there are questions that one is needed by some significant % of the people that buy the car (and there is apparently) then it should be either standard to err on the side of safety and lessening warranty issues coming up.... or in a 'track pkg' that can be purchased and dealer installed. That way everyone is happy. IOW, not everyone is happy running an engine on the bleeding edge of acceptable temperature ranges, just because the engineers say it's possible and the engine will last (at least until the warranty runs out).

Alternative question. If the Z was a plane, would you be satisfied with the oil temp performance/lack of oil cooler as evidenced by multiple peoples reports on this forum? In that case - your life could depend on it - in the car case, it's potentially (only) your pocketbook.

ConchZ2 11-24-2009 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370sed (Post 293828)
It's 80-90+ degrees mid summer...

1) I'm at NJMP, or Le Circuit MT, or Calabogie, or Limerock Park for an HPDE. I plan on a full tilt interm/advanced group day of tracking. I don't need an oil cooler?

2) I'm in stop and go traffic in Boston, NY, Phili, etc. The pavement is broiling, the traffic is thick. I don't need a oil cooler?

:eekdance: in hot :roflpuke2: oil

Just my opinion, but if there are questions that one is needed by some significant % of the people that buy the car (and there is apparently) then it should be either standard to err on the side of safety and lessening warranty issues coming up.... or in a 'track pkg' that can be purchased and dealer installed. That way everyone is happy. IOW, not everyone is happy running an engine on the bleeding edge of acceptable temperature ranges, just because the engineers say it's possible and the engine will last (at least until the warranty runs out).

Alternative question. If the Z was a plane, would you be satisfied with the oil temp performance/lack of oil cooler as evidenced by multiple peoples reports on this forum? In that case - your life could depend on it - in the car case, it's potentially (only) your pocketbook.




1)………yes………….track = oil cooler
2)………no……………street driving = no oil cooler

I bet Nissan is thinking about removing the oil temperature gauge in future Z’s

It would end this entire BS

Modshack 11-24-2009 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ConchZ2 (Post 293927)

I bet Nissan is thinking about removing the oil temperature gauge in future Z’s

It would end this entire BS

If they're smart they will.....Ignorance is bliss

imag 11-24-2009 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 293990)
If they're smart they will.....Ignorance is bliss

Glad we got oil temp gauges. I hate all this hidden crap. It drives me nuts that the water temp is basically fake.

Modshack 11-24-2009 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imag (Post 294028)
Glad we got oil temp gauges. I hate all this hidden crap. It drives me nuts that the water temp is basically fake.

I'm an information junky too. Get a Scangauge if you want to know what's going on..

http://images44.fotki.com/v1471/phot...MG_1438-vi.jpg

ConchZ2 11-24-2009 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 293990)
If they're smart they will.....Ignorance is bliss



Lack of knowledge results in happiness

kenchan 11-24-2009 12:37 PM

i remember i was much happier when i was much younger. :D


modshack- is that a 370Z specific bracket?

SpawnAeroJohn 11-24-2009 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 292466)
Nissan has known about the issue for some time now, why should we pay for a product defect? Thats the way I look at it, the oil cooler should have come already installed as an OEM part.

I dont own a Z but I agree 100%.

Modshack 11-24-2009 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 294126)

modshack- is that a 370Z specific bracket?

Made em for another application, but fits the Z perfectly. I have a few left email or PM me..

More pics: http://public.fotki.com/ttschwing/370z-stuff/scangauge/

shadow2k 11-25-2009 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370sed (Post 293828)
It's 80-90+ degrees mid summer...

1) I'm at NJMP, or Le Circuit MT, or Calabogie, or Limerock Park for an HPDE. I plan on a full tilt interm/advanced group day of tracking. I don't need an oil cooler?

2) I'm in stop and go traffic in Boston, NY, Phili, etc. The pavement is broiling, the traffic is thick. I don't need a oil cooler?

:eekdance: in hot :roflpuke2: oil

Just my opinion, but if there are questions that one is needed by some significant % of the people that buy the car (and there is apparently) then it should be either standard to err on the side of safety and lessening warranty issues coming up.... or in a 'track pkg' that can be purchased and dealer installed. That way everyone is happy. IOW, not everyone is happy running an engine on the bleeding edge of acceptable temperature ranges, just because the engineers say it's possible and the engine will last (at least until the warranty runs out).

Alternative question. If the Z was a plane, would you be satisfied with the oil temp performance/lack of oil cooler as evidenced by multiple peoples reports on this forum? In that case - your life could depend on it - in the car case, it's potentially (only) your pocketbook.

1. Yeah, but you're tracking the car. Its been made very clear that if you intend to track the car, an oil cooler is going to be needed.

2. No, not even close

If the Z was a plane, you'd have to fly within the FAA regulated speed limits. The oil temp would be a non issue.

schrute 11-25-2009 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ConchZ2 (Post 293927)
I bet Nissan is thinking about removing the oil temperature gauge in future Z’s

It would end this entire BS

Reminds me of the first year current generation Xterra we bought my wife a few years ago. The oil pressure gauge on that car was legit - went up and down a lot. Freaked people out that didn't understand that oil pressure varies quite a bit in normal operation. Forums were full of "is this normal" questions and a lot of buyers thinking their car had a problem.

The following year we bought me a Frontier (same drivetrain) and the oil pressure gauge was dumbed down. Stayed right in the middle and never moved. Nissan had responded to customer concern by adjusting the gauge to read in the middle of it's dial over a wide pressure range, only rising or falling with dramatic increases or decreases in pressure. Calls to Nissan Consumer Affairs and forum activity on the subject fell dramatically. Problem solved.

Hopefully the Z doesn't share a similar fate. I like gauges, especially ones that give accurate data.

schrute 11-25-2009 01:48 AM

Oh yeah, +1 on the Scangauge. Wouldn't be without one now that I'm used to having it.

And +1 on Modshack's bracket. I got one and it works great!

Pharmacist 11-25-2009 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schrute (Post 295029)
Reminds me of the first year current generation Xterra we bought my wife a few years ago. The oil pressure gauge on that car was legit - went up and down a lot. Freaked people out that didn't understand that oil pressure varies quite a bit in normal operation. Forums were full of "is this normal" questions and a lot of buyers thinking their car had a problem.

The following year we bought me a Frontier (same drivetrain) and the oil pressure gauge was dumbed down. Stayed right in the middle and never moved. Nissan had responded to customer concern by adjusting the gauge to read in the middle of it's dial over a wide pressure range, only rising or falling with dramatic increases or decreases in pressure. Calls to Nissan Consumer Affairs and forum activity on the subject fell dramatically. Problem solved.

Hopefully the Z doesn't share a similar fate. I like gauges, especially ones that give accurate data.

I think I read somewhere this is also the reason why many OEM tire pressure gauges don't give the actual numerical pressure anymore, too many stupid people freaked out and thought something was wrong when the pressure went up during the first few minutes after driving.

Mike 11-25-2009 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow2k (Post 295015)
1. Yeah, but you're tracking the car. Its been made very clear that if you intend to track the car, an oil cooler is going to be needed.

2. No, not even close

If the Z was a plane, you'd have to fly within the FAA regulated speed limits. The oil temp would be a non issue.

FAA only has speed limits below 10000 feet.

Matt 11-25-2009 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike (Post 295122)
FAA only has speed limits below 10000 feet.

Who's to say the Z would be flying higher than 10000 ft? :stirthepot:

Mergnthwirker 11-25-2009 08:52 AM

I voted #1: I would have spent an extra $500 to have one. But frankly, my experience suggests it is unnecessary in daily driving. I'm more fearful about long-term effects of higher oil temps rather than concerned about over-temp events. I find it amazing that the oil temps in the Z are regularly higher than my bi-turbo Audi S4.

ZKindaGuy 11-26-2009 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpawnAeroJohn (Post 294135)
I dont own a Z but I agree 100%.

Like I and others have said before...it is NOT a defect....you take agreement on something you are NOT fully understanding about....

zman1910 10-13-2010 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZKindaGuy (Post 296500)
Like I and others have said before...it is NOT a defect....you take agreement on something you are NOT fully understanding about....

Actually since many people have reported this problem both on and off the track.....it automatically becomes a manufacturers defect.

As I've stated before it's all fun and dandy when your Z is covered within the warranty period, but the long term effects is what will get you in the end....and if/when that happens.....you will blame it on Nissan and they will blame it on you.

GL to all those that plan on keeping their Z for a long time. I've had 3 VQ engines...two of them being 350Z's......and believe me they all run very hot. It's not the safest/most secure feeling to get all that heat radiating into the cabin.

Mt Tam I am 10-16-2010 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 292457)
Everyone gets what they want, and the animosity would cease (hopefully).

Somehow I doubt it though.

Although I already spent $880 including tax and oil for one, I certainly would have preferred to pay at time of purchase, say with sport package.
I voted for pay additional $500.

stacy001 10-16-2010 03:33 PM

The more factory options the better... 2 months ago i got stuck on the freeway for 5 hours due to an accident, all lanes closed. I was a little concerned since it was 118 degs.. oil temp was at 230. My chevy truck runs around 200 during summer.


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