Nissan taking over Mitsubishi?
 

Nissan to take 34% stake in Mitsubishi Motors - BBC News


Apparently, Mitsubishi fuel economy scandal is pushing it down the toilet and Nissan, instead of putting out OUR NEXT GEN Z, are buying wacky doo sub par car companies. They will own 34% of Mitsubishi, being the largest shareholder in the brand.

Cash Rich Companies usually will buy other's Companies if their Shares dropped to record low,so to make $$$ when their Shares go up.

Will they
 

produce a 2 door car again? Maybe an Eclipse?

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Mitsubishi is a huge acquisition for NISSAN
Not only in auto market share
They also have heavy equipment
Way to go NISSAN :tiphat:

I agree, but for purely selfish reasons.

Some models of Mitsubishi passenger vehicles have apparently not sold that well in Canada and, because we own a 2010 Outlander XLS, we want to make sure that somebody rescues Mit. so that Mit. can continue to honor our 10-year powertrain warranty. Go Nissan!

Agreed. Style-wise, I think the Eclipse was probably the best-looking Mit. sports car ever. Change the model name to something that has more numbers than letters, put a Nissan 3.7 NA or FI under the hood and I think they'd sell very well. (And while I'm dreaming with my fingers, make it a RWD-only 2-seater and, for convertibles, design the top to be manually operated, like the one on the venerable C5 Vette.)

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The acquisition is only Mitsubishi Motors. Has nothing to do with Mitsubishi Fuso (trucks/busses) nor Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. For reference, Mitisubishi Motors is like the 20th largest auto manufacturer in the world. Nissan is the 6th largest.

It's all a conspiracy!

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I hope that Nissan will offer a 10 year warranty as well, just like Mitsubishi does?

So I have a Nissan Eclipse now?

Well Nissan is holding back on making exciting cars.
Mitsubishi, no longer has an exciting car for 2017.

So does this meaning together Nissan and Mitsubishi are striving to make the most boring car in the universe?

Go Mitssan MiraSentra!!!:wtf2:

They gotta make things that they can sell and get a reasonable ROI. I suspect that the only reason the Z34 is even still in the lineup is that there hasn't been any re-tooling, re-design, or R&D on that ancient platform in 8 years.

Nissan is a pretty successful car company. They might not be making what you and I want to buy, but their overall marketing effort to the rest of the world seems to be pretty effective. The vast bulk of their target market appears to prefer cars that aren't particularly exciting. Exciting cars tend to be "niche" vehicles with a limited market due to their expense and/or relative impracticality.


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Mistubishi sells a ton of really tiny econoboxes in Asia. Nissan can scoop up that segment and ditch the rest of the Mitsubishi lineup and come out ahead.

How about GT-R evolution ?

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A 3000GT Nismo could be interesting! :tup:

With this new aquisition, they will most likely concentrate in selling lancers instead of developing the next Z35.

It's 2 niche cars. And one of them, they're commanding a hefty chunk of change over it's worth. DCT's are no longer $30,000 transmissions. Those days have been over for at least half a decade.
I can't stress enough the Z has been an infiniti parts been sports car for over 13 years. It's not that complex of a build considering it's not built on its own proprietary platform like a corvette. It doesn't have a proprietary transmission like the GT-R.
There's no rocket science behind the Z outside of Synchro Rev Match for the manual and maaaaaybe vvel

Yep. The Z is a niche car. It's not a Nissan mainstay, it's nostalgia. The market for it is too limited to ever expect Nissan to show it much love. I suspect it, or some version of it, will be in the lineup for at least awhile, but I can understand why it's been on the market unchanged for 8 years.

Mitsu and Nissan now have something in common, the EVO and the Z both have been mainly unchanged, only thing is Evos actually hold their value:wtf2:

I think Toyota for a while and now Honda with the new Civic are the two most boring large manufacturers.

Right. So you have to ask yourself what role "exciting" cars play in a car company's success. The Toyota Supra used to be a real contender in the GT market, likewise the RX-7, and the NSX was a great car too. All three companies seem to have been doing quite well without them....I'm not sure anyone other than the enthusiasts that cater to that niche really even noticed their passing. In the scheme of things...who would mourn the passing of the Z, and would Nissan abandoning that niche be as smart for Nissan as it was for Toyota, Honda, and Mazda?

Many people on this forum complain about how long the 370Z has been on the plate. I see us as being fortunate that the car hasn't been killed off altogether.

I don't agree. Halo cars are all important for every car brand. Halo cars are the center of marketing strategy. Even non enthusiasts want to believe there car was bred from heritage.

Why did Honda make the NSX, why they brought back the Type R? People were LOSING INTEREST IN THE BRAND.
The bread and butter civic was the worst one in history and the market share was dwindling.

Why did Toyota make the toyobaru , the LFA and now the BMW-Toyota sports car for 2018, the RCF and brand new is350. Toyota in 4 years has cars they can spit off, though they mostly suck. Toyota as well saw a loss of interest in the brand even Lexus. So they made Halo cars to pull new people in and keep new buyers.

As Honda and Toyota bring these econo and premium halos, Nissan is feeling a small but growing backlash.

Just having a brand new halo car in a dealership has people driving in to look at it. Then the salesgirl says. The altima v6 has a 350z engine and a Z inspired suspension and we have one on special for $26,000. But you were ogling over that Z that was $39,000. Dealer gives it to you with an extra $750 cash back and the mark of the altima was actually $29,000
It's lunacy, that halo cars aren't worth anything. I used to sell cars for a short stint. They are the reason why people develop interest in there favorite brands.

Remember the corvette steering wheel and tail lights in the cobalt? They sold a bunch on that alone. They made an SS model and cobalts were everywhere. Just cuz of an SS MODEL and a corvette steering wheel. They sold a million shytty LS MODELS. Lol. People are easily influenced. Trump & Hillary are living proof of people's simplistic mentalities.

So halo cars are everything.

I disagree, but :tiphat:

But assuming your point, I'm not sure how much halo effect the ancient old 370Z confers on Nissan these days. The automotive press in particular couldn't be more indifferent (if not downright derisive) these days, and sales of this $35,000 car could most generously be described as "lackluster" after 8 years of the same old same old.

8 years long time, Porsche gets 4-5 years before upgrading to something similar but different, nothing radical though while 370z is long overdue

370z gsx/gst? Awd?

As Barncobob stated. The Z is 8 years running. People see a 400hp, 3400lb-3550lb q60 and see anxious to see a 400hp, 3,000lb-3100lb , Z with a modernized interior and semi retro styling. They want at least 3 more cubic feet in the hatch and something that will further set it apart from the competition. They want there 450hp Nismo and their 250hp entry level Z that weighs less than 3000 lbs. Lower wider, slightly lengthen wheelbase for more trunk. Possibly a transaxle?

Given the expected weight of the Q. It should be achievable.

The current state of the Z is the problem... NOT the future.

Wow, seems like a lot of negativity about the 8yo design of the 370z. Look at the Porsche 911 mentioned..... same general styling since 1966, with maybe the biggest change (among many) being air-cooled to water cooled. Or how about the Giugiaro designed VW Golf/Rabbit/GTi. Same basic styling since 1974 but with lots of refinements over the years. The Miata didn't change much from 1989 until recently. And of course there are others, still selling lots of units. Personally I like the Z being a niche car and not seeing many on the road. It's a good looking car, people look twice at it, and it has plenty of performance for everyday driving. I'm very satisfied

Why would anyone want the Z to be bigger? Do not make it longer or taller.

+1 on this the Z is definitely 200-300lbs heavier than it should be. Its kinda crazy how the 2016 sti weighs just about the same as our Z's.

I agree. a 1996 Corvette is lighter than our current Z.

Just remember though.... in 2008, it was the lightest sports car with over 300hp and under $50k. But yes, it must get lighter considering the q60 coupe right now is just a few pounds heavier than our Nismo.

Easy way to make it lighter is to not make it larger. Many cars grow in dimensions but remain the same weight these days, or only get a little larger. Make the Z the same size, and I doubt the weight would change. The Q60 is a foot longer than the Z, so lighter should be easier.

If they stay with the FM platform? Which is a 50/50 for the next gen Z? The weight reduction is already there if it's the new modified update. There's 300+lbs missing coupe to coupe, from the G37 to the Q60. I'm just not sure if that's because of the 4 banger or not. So worst case scenario, it'll be 200lbs lighter with the V6... So I think weight reduction has been sorted out if that's the route taken?

I hope Nissan has plans to keep a couplethings in the Z...

Hydraulic steering.

Manual handbrake.

These two things are my biggest worries. I know the next Z will be lighter. I feel it in my gut. Especially with the 4 banger.

I hope engine and exhaust note is a priority and low COG. That makes me nervous too. Many cars ride height are shotty for sports cars. I gotta give respect to camaro's COG for its size. Especially considering you can drop an extra 1.25" right from the dealership. Lovin that a lot.

Everything I've read is that the engineers have been testing a mule with the Hydraulic rack and pump fitted for tuning of the electric on the Q, so maybe if they do switch it'll be a good feedback at least.

And I despise electric handbrakes as well. I would more be concerned if they tried to do a manual with an electric handbrake.

[QUOTE=Dirk McGurck;3480892]Easy way to make it lighter is to not make it larger. Many cars grow in dimensions but remain the same weight these days, or only get a little larger. Make the Z the same size, and I doubt the weight would change. The Q60 is a foot longer than the Z, so lighter should be easier.[/QUOTE

In a perfect world they could make a Z on its own platform instead of sharing its components with other cars. I read somewhere that they overbuilt the chasis so it could share its FM platform(QX50,g37) which would makes sense why its a little heavier.

[QUOTE=s2krazyyy;3482661][QUOTE=Dirk McGurck;3480892]Easy way to make it lighter is to not make it larger. Many cars grow in dimensions but remain the same weight these days, or only get a little larger. Make the Z the same size, and I doubt the weight would change. The Q60 is a foot longer than the Z, so lighter should be easier.[/QUOTE

In a perfect world they could make a Z on its own platform instead of sharing its components with other cars. I read somewhere that they overbuilt the chasis so it could share its FM platform(QX50,g37) which would makes sense why its a little heavier.

More information about Mit. fuel mileage manipulation (which now expands to the Outlander gasoline models -- one of which my wife and I own).

CORRECTED (OFFICIAL)-BRIEF-Mitsubishi Motors: manager at subsidiary falsified data to compete with rivals, respond to pressure from management | Reuters

It also is announced that a "new research and development executive from Nissan will take post at Mitsubishi after Mitsubishi's shareholder meeting in June".

It'll be interesting to see if or how Mitsubishi compensates owners of their various models of vehicles, but, since we own one, the Outlander in particular.

https://youtu.be/0YHabVZljok

I ran across this review that reinforces what I was saying in terms of brands attracting customers by brandishing a niche segment to draw attention.

The link doesn't work. It only brings up a review of some kind of Chevrolet sedan. I watched it until the end. It didn't want to make me buy a Chevy.

And I still don't get your point. I understand the concept of "halo" car...I just don't see where the tired old 370Z relates to that adjective. If anything, I think the Z's effect is generally laughter and eye-rolling these days. Don't get me wrong .. it was cool for the first few years and I've liked my Z's a lot. I just don't think it does **** for Nissan's reputation anymore these days and is probably counterproductive. Now...the GT-R...that's different. Most people who know cars still speak of it in hushed tones.