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I love all the people who are all "they never fine me, or i will never run cats" do any of you get that this isnt about us its about the manufacturers? They are fining companies not you so you wont have any Fing test pipes to buy. And oh yeah it wont make your race car illegal, unless it is modified then yeah it will.

Also just to clarify the only vehicles exempt from this would be 1969 and earlier pre federal emissions vehicles (not including 1970-1975 pre cat cars since they were still epa regulated just before converters came out), and PURPOSE BUILT RACE CARS. HINT your car that is now just a racer car is not purpose built it came from the factory as a road car and that is all that matters. If it was EVER a road car it doesnt qualify for exemption.

Also they removed the small manufacturer exemption so lotus cars and the like can no longer be registered in the usa

and, its not even a bill or law, its a regulation being written by bureaucrats who are not beholden to the voters. We need obama out, and if you are thinking of sanders, you can really look forward to this and more rules like it.

Its not about wjo is president and who isnt the epa is useless at this point. China produces more emissions every year than we can reduce in 10. What can the us epa do without going to war on china? Sit down, shut up, and stop trying to look important to the general public even though the entire new mandate (all 700plus pages of it) is only going to reduce us emmisions by 1.3% over the next 10 F'ing years.

Edit: instead of doing nothing about air polutiin except hurting the economy why dont they actually try to fix the water shortages on the western half of the country by i dunno actually increasing our water sources? Desalination plants maybe?

Yeap, the EPA has already hit the Diesel truck mod market. Many folks went out of business. The EPA fined them back into the dark ages. That is why I still have my 2004 truck.

For anyone not believing that the EPA isnt going after your converted race car here is an in depth analysis done by motortrend on the proposed revisions to the laws

EPA's Real Target: The Automotive Aftermarket - Motor Trend

I don't know why you guys are even bothered with this, this will never pass. The industry is too f*cking large for something like this to happen! Do you think they'll shut down all the companies and make unemployment sky rocket?

IF they do their will ALWAYS be some schmuck who will take $50 and pass my car.

it has already been approved it doesn't have to PASS they are the f"ing EPA not congress bro. they hid it in a document about commercial vehicles in order to sneak it through, the period for public review ended in September it just isn't active yet. IT HAS PASSED fool it gets codified on July first with the yearly update to CFR section 40. Only an act from congress running contrary to it, direct action by the president to make the epa change its mind, or a victim of the new regulation bringing a long drawn out legal battle to the supreme court can do anything about it now.

edit: just to clarify it is a regulation not a law so no vote required but it carries the same weight also its not about a schmuck taking 50 bucks to pass your car, good luck getting a turbo kit if they start going after companies that i dunno create ecu software flash utilities like they are talking about doing.

if anyone wants to read how the epa can make regulations without anyone voting on them at all read thishttp://www.epa.gov/laws-regulations/...latory-process

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what constitutes a 'race car'?

Upon reading some of the details, this only refers to mods that affect smog so it's basically what we already have here in California. Basically onlu CARB mods allowed.

Wow, really?
 

Maybe someone will fix this for you. You forgot to put ' Trump is the solution'.

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Comon guys dont get mixed up in this forum politics and cars dont miz or have u seen trumps 370z ?jajajajajaja


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Although I have no love for this epa ruling/clarification. I'm going to try and put forth th glass half full interpretation.

1. Only ecu, emissions, and engine mods are banned. This is not new, it's always been illegal to run long tubes on the street for example.

2. Carb approval still exists, so if a manufacturer gets carb for a part, ex stillen sc or a cai it is fine.

3. Cbe will be unaffected, anything downstream of emissions equipment, secondary o2 sensor and cats will be fine. Laws regulating exhausts are for decibel levels.

4. Suspension, wheels, tires, diffs, cooling etc mods are fine.

5. Be thankful we live in the golden age of internal combustion development. There are so many off the showroom floor track ready beasts that didn't exist even 5 years ago.

6. Going fast had always been correlated with how fat your wallet is, now that money goes to the dealership vs the aftermarket.

7. Long term we will see carb approved tt kits etc from a smaller group of aftermarket companies.

8. Driving around on the street with no emissions equipment is and since 1970 has always been illegal and hurts our environment if this ruling gets us long term cleaner performance parts it's a win win.

They should however have exempted modded street car to race car conversions provided they are track only cars, that part goes too far, the also should have left the 25 or 30 year rule in effect where classics are exempt as well.

Other than that, I think it's a good rule.

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1.3 percent change in air quality estimated by the epa (so over estimated) by 2026 if this goes into effect. yeah if we were 10 or 20 percent of total air pollution then yeah it would make sense but cow **** is bigger part of greenhouse gas emissions than every racer car ever built.

this isnt air quality its the epa flexing its muscles. Automotive enthusiasts account for less than 3% of the population, thats why it is easy to hit us with legislation. And while a vehicle without cats may produce 100 times more polution there are 30 times less of them and they are actually driven half as much at best. hell full drag cars retire with like 50-100miles on them

You're right about the bovine methane emissions. We should enjoy our steaks while we still can legally (not kidding) but that's another discussion altogether.

Regardless of the fact there are far far fewer catless cars driving around, no one should be driving a vehicle (classics exempted) on public roads without emissions equipment. To me that is an indefensible position. Every little bit helps as far as clean air goes. My issue I take is that anyone amateur or pro who wants to convert a road car into a track only car that doesn't drive on public roads should be able to do what they want.

We should be honest here about aftermarket manufacturers selling off road parts with a wink and a smirk for the last few decades knowing that the vast majority of those parts sold end up on the street.

Doubt this will happen as the US Supreme Court has stopped the EPA on the Coal issue. The issue is there basing everything there on a extreme interpretation of the Clean Air Act of 1970 which was revised in 1990. The Act says nothing about Co2.

The moron's can't get anything passed to support there insanity so they have been twisting the framework of existing laws to do what there doing until the Supreme Court put a halt to it this year.

Anyhow keep moding not in any danger of disappearing anytime soon. Also since the EPA has been running amok for 8 years without any additional laws passed expect them to get neutered in 2016 if GOP gets in. If HRC does being that she has not driven a car since like 1996 look forward to riding the bus as the highlight of your driving future.

and over the weekend the balance of the supreme court shifted with the death of Scalia, so don't count on them either.

Always rather be safe than sorry. Freedom will be continued to be stripped if everyone just lets their guard down. In a time of somewhat peace, seems a lot of people don't have any other **** to do, besides fighting amongst themselves

lol it's ironic you say that since you're from cali... you guys might start being taxed on air you breath lol

I know, it sucks. I have Texas plates cause I am military though. I should take advantage of a TT or supercharger

More importantly than signing a petition that will be ignored by a dictatorial ideologue, register to vote and think about who you are voting for. Some candidates want to dissolve worthless government agencies that have unelected bureaucrats making decisions, some candidates want to expand them even more. One party has systematically added tens of thousands of new laws and regulations, most of which we complain about and for good reason. Tired of it ? Go send them a message in November that they won't soon forget.

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