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Ommateal 12-16-2015 03:36 PM

EMERGENCY: Car won't start HElp!
 
Might be Steering lock, not 100% sure. (Also for the record mine is revision C) 2010 sport. (ITS NOT STEERING LOCK - Wheels move

Key fob unlocks car, locks car, makes alarm go off ect...

Put fob in fobgina still nothing.

Accessory wont come on when I push START

Some power does work, Headlights ect, locks, ect all work / Sterio and stuff does not come on.

Made the mistake of Pushing the keyfob unlock button and rolling down the windows and those are stuck down Now, Im in a bad situation here at work. ***FIxed. Used the key in the door turned to lock and it rolls up the windows.

Any all all reason why or what to do will help, I know kicking the box thing for the lock, and read something about the clutch switch or some ****?

-UPDATE-

Pretty sure not steering lock. Steering wheel isnt locked. Can move it.

Tried to do a popstart, didnt work, not sure if we got enough speed...

Thrashed on the START button and clutch pedal and ACC came on once after like 47573853 presses. Then I clocked again to start and it shut off again.

Also the break pedal is hard as a rock prob cause no power but im just adding all the things I observe.

JC-Nismo 12-16-2015 03:37 PM

Can you turn the steering wheel at all?

TerribleONE 12-16-2015 03:37 PM

Sounds like more than just a steering lock. Sorry don't have anymore info than that.

Ommateal 12-16-2015 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JC-Nismo (Post 3369566)
Can you turn the steering wheel at all?

Nope it's locked.

JC-Nismo 12-16-2015 03:48 PM

The pain in the *** steering wheel lock BS. I pulled the fuse on mine to disengage the whole system when i first bought my car and heard of this issue, but with any wheel lock, if you can pull it down extremely hard and hit the start button at the same time, it might disengage. I think there's a sticky on this that might help you get out of this bind.

barncobob 12-16-2015 03:54 PM

if in doubt replace the battery, cheap fix if it works..

birdman71 12-16-2015 03:56 PM

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...se-sticky.html

Ommateal 12-16-2015 04:33 PM

-UPDATE-

Pretty sure not steering lock. Steering wheel isnt locked. Can move it.

Tried to do a popstart, didnt work, not sure if we got enough speed...

Thrashed on the START button and clutch pedal and ACC came on once after like 47573853 presses. Then I clocked again to start and it shut off again.

Also the break pedal is hard as a rock prob cause no power but im just adding all the things I observe.

Car started totally fine and drove great to work.

birdman71 12-16-2015 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ommateal (Post 3369599)
-UPDATE-

Pretty sure not steering lock. Steering wheel isnt locked. Can move it.

Tried to do a popstart, didnt work, not sure if we got enough speed...

Thrashed on the START button and clutch pedal and ACC came on once after like 47573853 presses. Then I clocked again to start and it shut off again.

Also the break pedal is hard as a rock prob cause no power but im just adding all the things I observe.

Car started totally fine and drove great to work.

Is the clutch at the floor and wont come back out?

Ommateal 12-16-2015 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birdman71 (Post 3369619)
Is the clutch at the floor and wont come back out?

Nope Clutch and CSC seem fine. Wiggled the Clutch Position sensor thingy too.

Car is beeping now tho... really thinking this is maybe some kind of electrical issue, ECU failure? But so sudden? It was fine today.

Ommateal 12-16-2015 05:33 PM

A friend just told me to maybe try a Jump - said lights an stuff can still be on but not enough Amps to do anything else? Is this a thing?

SouthArk370Z 12-16-2015 05:55 PM

It sounds like the steering lock to me. The locking pin can retract far enough to unlock the wheel yet still not make the internal switches. See link in my sig for links for things to try to get the car started and how to pull the fuse to prevent future problems.

BGTV8 12-16-2015 06:01 PM

Is the battery dead with just enough juice to turn on dash lights ??

Ommateal 12-16-2015 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 3369634)
It sounds like the steering lock to me. The locking pin can retract far enough to unlock the wheel yet still not make the internal switches. See link in my sig for links for things to try to get the car started and how to pull the fuse to prevent future problems.


****. Was hoping I avoided steering lock since the wheel moves. I'll check the links, I read a lot of stuff already on it before hope beating on it more will work... ha

Won't ACC power still come on tho?

DOOMMONKEY777 12-16-2015 06:24 PM

Gotta start checking ur fuses bud, one could have burned out.

Ommateal 12-16-2015 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOOMMONKEY777 (Post 3369659)
Gotta start checking ur fuses bud, one could have burned out.

Yea really starting to lean twords electrical issue

Ommateal 12-17-2015 12:39 AM

Also it's beeping sometimes like the car is on but I left it?

Any ideas on the fuses? Or electrical? Or anything else?

fairlady_z34 12-17-2015 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ommateal (Post 3369880)
Also it's beeping sometimes like the car is on but I left it?

Any ideas on the fuses? Or electrical? Or anything else?

whats funny last winter here in caliornia if u can even call it winter lol. it rained a lot and whenever i would park my car after driving in heavy rain my car would beep like hell, sounded like those mexican guys honking the horn down every street trying to sell tomales and what not. ive never found out what it was, just went away after rain stop

Ommateal 12-17-2015 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fairlady_z34 (Post 3369883)
whats funny last winter here in caliornia if u can even call it winter lol. it rained a lot and whenever i would park my car after driving in heavy rain my car would beep like hell, sounded like those mexican guys honking the horn down every street trying to sell tomales and what not. ive never found out what it was, just went away after rain stop

Lol that's crazy. Saw your post seems your not having a great time either? Well don't give up. My beep is a regular kinda quiet beep comes from the engine bay.

Z_ealot 12-17-2015 12:54 AM

Might want to check your battery, shortly after i picked up my 2009, had 2 problems at once.....long story short, fuel starve and then trying to start the car multiple times after letting gas get back to the fuel pump killed the battery....turns out the battery was the original from nissan and was completely dead, luckily got a jump from someone and she fired right back up...needless to say i replaced the battery the very next day

Ommateal 12-17-2015 01:00 AM

Eh
Quote:

Originally Posted by Z_ealot (Post 3369885)
Might want to check your battery, shortly after i picked up my 2009, had 2 problems at once.....long story short, fuel starve and then trying to start the car multiple times after letting gas get back to the fuel pump killed the battery....turns out the battery was the original from nissan and was completely dead, luckily got a jump from someone and she fired right back up...needless to say i replaced the battery the very next day

We tried a jump. My battery has plenty of spark it seems.plus headlights and dome lights are fine. Just nothing else.

Z_ealot 12-17-2015 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ommateal (Post 3369886)
Eh

We tried a jump. My battery has plenty of spark it seems.plus headlights and dome lights are fine. Just nothing else.

Just curious, did you try disconnecting the negative on the battery and letting it sit for a few to reset everything and then reconnecting it?

2011 Nismo#91 12-17-2015 08:13 AM

Well it looks like you eliminated most of the easy problems and it's starting to seem like it could be more complicated.
What it isn't:
Steering Wheel Lock module
Dead or low battery in car or fob

Symptoms:
Can't get into accessory mode or any other.
Lights work

With those eliminated my guess would be the vehicle immobilizer system.
While the steering wheel lock may be disabled there maybe other components to the security system that are preventing it from going into ignition/start mode. Are any of the security lights on?
http://www.the370z.com/exterior-inte...er-system.html
http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...m-problem.html
https://carmanuals2.com/get/nissan-3...tion-sec-45097

njobe89 12-17-2015 09:39 AM

interesting, let us know what it is, when you figure it out :D

Ommateal 12-17-2015 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91 (Post 3369995)
Well it looks like you eliminated most of the easy problems and it's starting to seem like it could be more complicated.
What it isn't:
Steering Wheel Lock module
Dead or low battery in car or fob

Symptoms:
Can't get into accessory mode or any other.
Lights work

With those eliminated my guess would be the vehicle immobilizer system.
While the steering wheel lock may be disabled there maybe other components to the security system that are preventing it from going into ignition/start mode. Are any of the security lights on?
http://www.the370z.com/exterior-inte...er-system.html
http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...m-problem.html
https://carmanuals2.com/get/nissan-3...tion-sec-45097

No other symptoms really, Umm I like what your saying tho. Something I find weird is that it is Beeping Twice ever few seconds. And that I believe is part of the security system. I only noticed the beeps (When running properly) After I would get out of the car while it was started, close the doors, and walk away (Might have locked the doors too) And then it would beep as if to tell me "Hey Im started man but locked"

It's like the car thinks it's turned on or something but isnt.

I know the yellow Key Icon flashes inside sometimes, And the red Key Icon (Security light?) flashes too sometimes. Also When I press start it only says LOCK.

The links didn't offer too much - Maybe my fob needs reset? Idk. Lol.

I will be checking the cabin fuses today. As of right now my car is stuck in my works parking lot so I don't have much option to do a lot until I get it moved home. Really hoping it's something dumb like the "Push Start" fuse.

Anyone have any Fuse issues or problems before with similar symptoms??

Ommateal 12-17-2015 12:25 PM

Something is still kinda making me think steering lock failure while it's unlocked... maybe But there is still those other kinda strange issues, not sure whats normal. I will take a video and upload it tonight of all the things I can notice and post it for you guys.

90 ST 12-17-2015 12:28 PM

Also check all the fuses at the battery.

Ghostvette 12-17-2015 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ommateal (Post 3370102)
No other symptoms really, Umm I like what your saying tho. Something I find weird is that it is Beeping Twice ever few seconds. And that I believe is part of the security system. I only noticed the beeps (When running properly) After I would get out of the car while it was started, close the doors, and walk away (Might have locked the doors too) And then it would beep as if to tell me "Hey Im started man but locked"

It's like the car thinks it's turned on or something but isnt.

I know the yellow Key Icon flashes inside sometimes, And the red Key Icon (Security light?) flashes too sometimes. Also When I press start it only says LOCK.

The links didn't offer too much - Maybe my fob needs reset? Idk. Lol.

I will be checking the cabin fuses today. As of right now my car is stuck in my works parking lot so I don't have much option to do a lot until I get it moved home. Really hoping it's something dumb like the "Push Start" fuse.

Anyone have any Fuse issues or problems before with similar symptoms??

You have a steering lock problem, just like SouthArk said. If the rubber mallet solution doesn't fix it, then you are looking at about a $1200 repair from Nissan. Once you get the car started, pull the fuse and cut the brown wire under the dash. Check the DIYs to make sure you get the right wire.

Given that everything was fine this morning, it's highly unlikely that it's a starter. The battery 'could' give you an issue, if it is more than 2 years old, replace it. Most of the 'old-timers' know this, but some of the 'newbies' might not, a battery that will not start the car, will have enough juice to light lights. Just because lights turn on, doesn't mean the battery is good. Hence the "Replace battery every two years regardless of warranty"... :tup:

Ommateal 12-17-2015 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghostvette (Post 3370246)
You have a steering lock problem, just like SouthArk said. If the rubber mallet solution doesn't fix it, then you are looking at about a $1200 repair from Nissan. Once you get the car started, pull the fuse and cut the brown wire under the dash. Check the DIYs to make sure you get the right wire.

Given that everything was fine this morning, it's highly unlikely that it's a starter. The battery 'could' give you an issue, if it is more than 2 years old, replace it. Most of the 'old-timers' know this, but some of the 'newbies' might not, a battery that will not start the car, will have enough juice to light lights. Just because lights turn on, doesn't mean the battery is good. Hence the "Replace battery every two years regardless of warranty"... :tup:

Thanks Ghost, yeah im leaning twords Steering lock again now. Hit the thing with my feet...hit it with a hammer, Both no results tho.

I checked the cabin fuses, Electrical, and start button. They look good. Pretty sure none of the other ones mattered.

I made a video, ill post it when I get home.

Also Isnt the Lock covered under a Recall now?

SouthArk370Z 12-17-2015 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghostvette (Post 3370246)
... Once you get the car started, pull the fuse and cut the brown wire under the dash. ...

No need to do both - either one will do the job. I prefer to pull the fuse but YMMV.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ommateal (Post 3370265)
Also Isnt the Lock covered under a Recall now?

IIRC, all 2009s are covered under the TSB but not all 2010s are covered. In any case, dealer will check VIN to see if you qualify.

Ommateal 12-17-2015 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 3370364)
No need to do both - either one will do the job. I prefer to pull the fuse but YMMV.


I can't get it started at all and I beat the **** out of the thing lol. So Looks like a DIY tear apart and engage the blue buttons Assuming it's not covered.


IIRC, all 2009s are covered under the TSB but not all 2010s are covered. In any case, dealer will check VIN to see if you qualify.

Hope it's covered....Honestly At this pointI truly Hope it IS the Lock failure... Cause beyond that i'm at a major loss.

Ommateal 12-17-2015 06:21 PM

Called Dealer, Gave them the VIN... Not listed as covered.

Called Nissan Usa Consumer affairs, claim was escalated to Regional...whatever. He said they have had good luck in getting those claims pushed through... Fingers crossed.

Ommateal 12-28-2015 10:35 AM

****UPDATE**** and not a very happy one.

CONFIRMED STEERING LOCK FAILURE by Nissan dealer technician. 2010 revision C - Ill post the specifics in the sticky later.

ANNNDDDDD - Nissan said they dont want to do **** about it -_______-

Now being escalated to the division manager or some ****... Told them I dont care if they escalate it to fukin Obama, someone needs to fix this.

MagmaRed370z 12-28-2015 11:31 AM

How come some of our cars are NOT covered under the steering lock failure and some ARE covered?

What determines which ones are covered and which ones are not?

fairlady_z34 12-28-2015 11:37 AM

That sucks to hear that. Just got my steering wheel
Lock done and it was covered still cost me 60 bucks to tow it there but it was worth it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ommateal (Post 3377105)
****UPDATE**** and not a very happy one.

CONFIRMED STEERING LOCK FAILURE by Nissan dealer technician. 2010 revision C - Ill post the specifics in the sticky later.

ANNNDDDDD - Nissan said they dont want to do **** about it -_______-

Now being escalated to the division manager or some ****... Told them I dont care if they escalate it to fukin Obama, someone needs to fix this.


SouthArk370Z 12-28-2015 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3377137)
How come some of our cars are NOT covered under the steering lock failure and some ARE covered?

What determines which ones are covered and which ones are not?

I haven't seen anything official but it seems that only RevA and RevB ESCLs are covered by the TSB. RevC and above are not covered.

MagmaRed370z 12-28-2015 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 3377150)
I haven't seen anything official but it seems that only RevA and RevB ESCLs are covered by the TSB. RevC and above are not covered.

That's crap! Did they fix it with models 2013 and above? Or do the 2013 2014 have the same issue?

Ommateal 12-28-2015 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 3377184)
That's crap! Did they fix it with models 2013 and above? Or do the 2013 2014 have the same issue?

After I think 2012 models they used something else completely.

And they better fix it cause this is horse poo, I heard they have made "Exceptions" for ones not covered, if that's true or not I don't know..

It's insane for sure tho. It was escalated to the Regional Managers - Manager. Whatever...

139$ Tow.... and they want another 89$ for the diagnostic. I Only took it to the shop because they told me I HAD TO before they would make a decision to fix it or not. After talking in here I was 99% Positive it WAS the Lock...

Jimbo370 12-28-2015 01:46 PM

On the tow cost I have state farm and they reimbursed me for the tow. It was like an extra $10 on coverage for 6 months. This might help ease the pain.
Sorry to hear about the problem still existing. you would think the lock problem would end soon 7yrs later. God bless

Ommateal 12-29-2015 03:13 PM

***update***

nissan refuses to do anything at all about it. Period.

Fu*k nissan.


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