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370bluez 09-14-2015 11:16 PM

Really dumb 7AT question, is there a sport mode?
 
I find it really strange that I haven't been able to find a sport mode in the 7AT.

Yes there is the M mode and yes I can use the shifters but isn't there a dedicated sport mode? My TDI golf has one...

As does every Infiniti with the very same 7AT...

May be it is just a hidden setting I am missing...:ugh2:

Felix 808 09-14-2015 11:40 PM

No, but it will rev match the down shifts.

critical 09-15-2015 01:59 AM

you can think of it as always being in sport mode.

what infiniti thing are you talking about btw?

jchammond 09-15-2015 03:04 AM

turn off the traction control & leave in "D",,,it will know what to do!
Also;learn your Kalimitry for each gear & don't rev over past 7500,or limp mode will kick in. "D" mode will keep you safe/just under 7500 rpm between shifts...but;wont alway's drop down to 1st or 2nd at speeds under 40mph,,,you have to manual down shift.
1st,0-35
2nd-55
3rd-85
4th-125
5th-175(pending if your speed limiter is in place or not;otherwise will top out @155,156 just under 7,000rpm.
for giggles,,,6th-205 & 7th-228
Dyno showed mine hit's governer @156;while speedo read 158.
0-156 just over 30sec.(drop in k&n air filter's only)
rolling 40 & under/you may have to manually down-shift till rpm's are around 4500-5 for best power.
this is all pending that you have the stock 3.359:1 diff. & stock diameter rear tires.

SouthArk370Z 09-15-2015 06:48 AM

There is no Sport Mode but the ECM and TCM will adjust themselves depending on how you have been driving for the last few minutes. The more aggressive you drive the more aggressive the drivetrain becomes.

GZ3 09-15-2015 08:26 AM

through tuning is there a way to keep the aggresive style?

FPenvy 09-15-2015 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3309246)
turn off the traction control & leave in "D",,,it will know what to do!
Also;learn your Kalimitry for each gear & don't rev over past 7500,or limp mode will kick in. "D" mode will keep you safe/just under 7500 rpm between shifts...but;wont alway's drop down to 1st or 2nd at speeds under 40mph,,,you have to manual down shift.
1st,0-35
2nd-55
3rd-85
4th-125
5th-175(pending if your speed limiter is in place or not;otherwise will top out @155,156 just under 7,000rpm.
for giggles,,,6th-205 & 7th-228
Dyno showed mine hit's governer @156;while speedo read 158.
0-156 just over 30sec.(drop in k&n air filter's only)
rolling 40 & under/you may have to manually down-shift till rpm's are around 4500-5 for best power.
this is all pending that you have the stock 3.359:1 diff. & stock diameter rear tires.

D mode does not exist.

M mode only lol :stirthepot:

OP: read this and learn it's good info :tiphat:

i'm just happy I bumped my rev limiter and no speed limiter anymore with my tune. also through tuning you can get your tranny line pressure raised for faster/harder shifts.

never timed myself but it gets the speed up quickly with exhaust, intakes, tune. on the Mexican highwways I've had it well over the stock speed limiter :tiphat:

Array 09-15-2015 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 3309402)
through tuning is there a way to keep the aggresive style?

Uprev or ECUtek, you can swap drive maps to a "Sport" mode, "Normal" mode, and "Economical" mode among a few others.

OP: no there is no "Sport" mode but like others have said its already an aggressive drive. Some of the same tech that's in the manual is in the auto, such as rev matching.

I find if I throw it into the shifter mode I usually become more of an aggressive driver.

I am my own sport mode.

kidkotic2001 09-15-2015 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3309419)
D mode does not exist.

M mode only lol :stirthepot:

OP: read this and learn it's good info :tiphat:

i'm just happy I bumped my rev limiter and no speed limiter anymore with my tune. also through tuning you can get your tranny line pressure raised for faster/harder shifts.

never timed myself but it gets the speed up quickly with exhaust, intakes, tune. on the Mexican highwways I've had it well over the stock speed limiter :tiphat:

Mexican highway lol

GZ3 09-15-2015 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Array (Post 3309438)
I am my own sport mode.

:roflpuke2::tup:

370bluez 09-15-2015 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Felix 808 (Post 3309221)
No, but it will rev match the down shifts.

How often do you use ds-sport mode? - Page 2 - MyG37


Shift difference between D and DS. - MyG37


That is a real bummer that we don't have that. It just seems silly. Yes I get the whole shifting manually, but having the different transmission modes would certainly help a fair amount, and they have the programming for this trans already.

I am seriously puzzled.

FPenvy 09-15-2015 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3309481)
How often do you use ds-sport mode? - Page 2 - MyG37


Shift difference between D and DS. - MyG37


That is a real bummer that we don't have that. It just seems silly. Yes I get the whole shifting manually, but having the different transmission modes would certainly help a fair amount, and they have the programming for this trans already.

I am seriously puzzled.

the car is always in sport mode its a sports car.

you do realize that "sport mode" in the manual cars is to give it rev match on the downshifts which the AT has at all times...

:facepalm:

newbies.

370bluez 09-15-2015 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3309485)
the car is always in sport mode its a sports car.

you do realize that "sport mode" in the manual cars is to give it rev match on the downshifts which the AT has at all times...

:facepalm:

newbies.

Revmatch on downshifts yes, but this has nothing to do with a sports mode also not sure why you're trying to draw a correlation between a manual and an auto car?
Yes I am aware the manual guys get to push that button for the rev matches but this is completely irrelevant to the question at hand.

And "always in sport mode" is a seriously strange answer. :icon17:

As I clearly pointed out the Infinitis with the exact same engine/trans combo do have a sport mode... and we don't. Just seems odd, it is a really easy feature to add.

FPenvy 09-15-2015 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3309489)
Revmatch on downshifts yes, but this has nothing to do with a sports mode also not sure why you're trying to draw a correlation between a manual and an auto car?
Yes I am aware the manual guys get to push that button for the rev matches but this is completely irrelevant to the question at hand.

And "always in sport mode" is a seriously strange answer. :icon17:

As I clearly pointed out the Infinitis with the exact same engine/trans combo do have a sport mode... and we don't. Just seems odd, it is a really easy feature to add.

there is no sport mode on the fly like the infinti but that's also due to infinti's being factory tuned to be soft and luxurious not sporty. so they give the option to press a button and stiffen up the shifts and make it feel sportier. also everything I've read on the g37 DS mode it doesn't do much. the best way to use the AT is to just shift it yourself.

the Z is built and tuned with spirited driving in mind hence there not being a sports mode button. it's tuned from factory to go go go.

you can however as I stated before have the line pressure tuned to make the AT shift even harder. I recommend it to anyone who gets their Z tuned since most don't know its an option with uprev or ecutek.

370bluez 09-15-2015 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3309494)
there is no sport mode on the fly like the infinti but that's also due to infinti's being factory tuned to be soft and luxurious not sporty. so they give the option to press a button and stiffen up the shifts and make it feel sportier. also everything I've read on the g37 DS mode it doesn't do much. the best way to use the AT is to just shift it yourself.

the Z is built and tuned with spirited driving in mind hence there not being a sports mode button. it's tuned from factory to go go go.

you can however as I stated before have the line pressure tuned to make the AT shift even harder. I recommend it to anyone who gets their Z tuned since most don't know its an option with uprev or ecutek.

All that said... does the GT-R have a sport mode ?:stirthepot: Arguably that car is also tuned with spirited driving in mind.

I have no issues with the D programming in the Z however going through canyons etc I'd prefer a sport mode that keeps the revs high 4000+ without throwing the car back into 7th after 2 seconds of not hitting the gas.

:ughdance:

FPenvy 09-15-2015 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3309498)
All that said... does the GT-R have a sport mode ?:stirthepot: Arguably that car is also tuned with spirited driving in mind.

I have no issues with the D programming in the Z however going through canyons etc I'd prefer a sport mode that keeps the revs high 4000+ without throwing the car back into 7th after 2 seconds of not hitting the gas.

:ughdance:

no the GTR does not have a sport mode. it had A and M. that's it. well unless you count the suspension, tranny, and ecu settings but that's basically hard harder and oh shiiiiiiiiit.

D mode in the Z is useless if you want it to react the way you have described. also the ECU learns from your driving so if you typically drive is slow and soft it's not gonna instantly go hard when you ask it to.

drive in D normally and when you hit a canyon road throw that bitch into manual and go to work.

worst case the car probably just needs a driver mod. :bowrofl: canyon roads in D mode. I've heard it all now.

370bluez 09-15-2015 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3309506)
no the GTR does not have a sport mode. it had A and M. that's it. well unless you count the suspension, tranny, and ecu settings but that's basically hard harder and oh shiiiiiiiiit.

D mode in the Z is useless if you want it to react the way you have described. also the ECU learns from your driving so if you typically drive is slow and soft it's not gonna instantly go hard when you ask it to.

drive in D normally and when you hit a canyon road throw that bitch into manual and go to work.

worst case the car probably just needs a driver mod. :bowrofl: canyon roads in D mode. I've heard it all now.

I stated that D doesn't work in canyons hence the whole point of this thread, and me asking about an S mode.

And now we're arguing semantics, since the GTR has an R mode and not an S mode :nutswinger:

http://www.thetorquereport.com/nissan_gtr_specv_20.jpg

FPenvy 09-15-2015 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3309515)
I stated that D doesn't work in canyons hence the whole point of this thread, and me asking about an S mode.

And now we're arguing semantics, since the GTR has an R mode and not an S mode :nutswinger:

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yes that was harder mode as I stated and off is oh shiiiiiiit.

moral of the story and answer to you is throw the Z in manual mode and beat the piss out of it. it works just fine.

370bluez 09-15-2015 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3309520)
yes that was harder mode as I stated and off is oh shiiiiiiit.

moral of the story and answer to you is throw the Z in manual mode and beat the piss out of it. it works just fine.

Since I am a noob and all. I do have another question (as all of us noobs do)... Infiniti/Nissan don't have a service interval for the 7AT, and it is one of those "lifetime Fills" which usually means replace the transmission by 100k miles.

Is this transmission difficult to service? And what is the recommended "forum bro" service interval.

I tried a search several times and it wasn't very successful.

FPenvy 09-15-2015 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3309534)
Since I am a noob and all. I do have another question (as all of us noobs do)... Infiniti/Nissan don't have a service interval for the 7AT, and it is one of those "lifetime Fills" which usually means replace the transmission by 100k miles.

Is this transmission difficult to service? And what is the recommended "forum bro" service interval.

I tried a search several times and it wasn't very successful.

100k is bullshit. go every 30k that's even what a friend of mine who is the service manager at a Nissan garage said. even at 30k miles the fluid is just toast if you drive that car hard at all.

I just has mine done 2 weeks ago at 46k miles. took it to the Nissan garage which is rare for me but tranny fluid flush and change isn't really something to do at home unless you have a lift and the specialized tools to pup the fluid out then back in. almost like a full brake fluid flush/change. the money it costs to have Nissan do it is much less than the cost of tools to do it at home.

370bluez 09-15-2015 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3309537)
100k is bullshit. go every 30k that's even what a friend of mine who is the service manager at a Nissan garage said. even at 30k miles the fluid is just toast if you drive that car hard at all.

I just has mine done 2 weeks ago at 46k miles. took it to the Nissan garage which is rare for me but tranny fluid flush and change isn't really something to do at home unless you have a lift and the specialized tools to pup the fluid out then back in. almost like a full brake fluid flush/change. the money it costs to have Nissan do it is much less than the cost of tools to do it at home.

Oh so nissan offers a transmission fluid swap? I read a lot of threads that stated the dealers were clueless when someone requested those... and claimed it was a "lifetime fill".

Also how much do they want for this?

b15 09-15-2015 12:24 PM

Didn't realize the Z 7AT didn't have a Ds mode like the G. I had a G37 rental and the only thing it seemed to do was was delay the shift points so the engine stayed in each gear longer/revved higher. Seemed useless to me. Just use the paddles

FPenvy 09-15-2015 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3309543)
Oh so nissan offers a transmission fluid swap? I read a lot of threads that stated the dealers were clueless when someone requested those... and claimed it was a "lifetime fill".

Also how much do they want for this?

I called 3 dealerships and the first one said they've never worked on a 370 so I hung up, second never did a tranny fluid swap, and the 3rd I gave up and just called my guy at the Nissan garage that's a bit out of the way BUT I found out he's done it many times there so that was a homerun. didn't take long either. think it was just over an hour which was fine gave me and the fiancée time to go test the new murano for her.

think it was $170.

UNKNOWN_370 09-15-2015 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 3309325)
There is no Sport Mode but the ECM and TCM will adjust themselves depending on how you have been driving for the last few minutes. The more aggressive you drive the more aggressive the drivetrain becomes.

:iagree:

370bluez 09-15-2015 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b15 (Post 3309570)
Didn't realize the Z 7AT didn't have a Ds mode like the G. I had a G37 rental and the only thing it seemed to do was was delay the shift points so the engine stayed in each gear longer/revved higher. Seemed useless to me. Just use the paddles

What else should it do? The shifts are already firm and farting unicorns out of the exhaust isn't an option.

370bluez 09-15-2015 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3309572)
I called 3 dealerships and the first one said they've never worked on a 370 so I hung up, second never did a tranny fluid swap, and the 3rd I gave up and just called my guy at the Nissan garage that's a bit out of the way BUT I found out he's done it many times there so that was a homerun. didn't take long either. think it was just over an hour which was fine gave me and the fiancée time to go test the new murano for her.

think it was $170.


Interesting so "nissan garage" wasn't an actual dealer?

Your experience mirrors what I have read so far... Dealers are not doing as part of even the premium (rape) maintenances.

FPenvy 09-15-2015 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3309610)
Interesting so "nissan garage" wasn't an actual dealer?

Your experience mirrors what I have read so far... Dealers are not doing as part of even the premium (rape) maintenances.

i call dealerships garages sometimes. yes I had it done at the dealer.

just call ahead and make sure they have a. worked on a 370 and b. have done this exact work before. for me I would have called each dealership in going further distance wise until I found one who has.

I don't trust dealerships at all so this was hard for me lol

b15 09-15-2015 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3309608)
What else should it do? The shifts are already firm and farting unicorns out of the exhaust isn't an option.

It's useless because it feels confused. You let off the gas and it hangs there, then decides 'Oh he's off the gas now, let's upshift'. Then you hit the gas and it has to think about it again. So basically it's D mode, with delayed shifts. Useless. What do you think a 'sport' mode would do?

Yes, farting unicorns out of the exhaust would be more useful.

jchammond 09-16-2015 03:24 AM

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370bluez 09-16-2015 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by b15 (Post 3309660)
It's useless because it feels confused. You let off the gas and it hangs there, then decides 'Oh he's off the gas now, let's upshift'. Then you hit the gas and it has to think about it again. So basically it's D mode, with delayed shifts. Useless. What do you think a 'sport' mode would do?

Yes, farting unicorns out of the exhaust would be more useful.

You paid for the auto to shift gears faster than you can. Not the other way around. If you have to shift it constantly yourself why not get a manual?

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FPenvy 09-16-2015 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3310247)
You paid for the auto to shift gears faster than you can. Not the other way around. If you have to shift it constantly yourself why not get a manual?

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.........that's your argument? im lost at this point.

I don't think you full grasp the concept and reason of the 7AT transmission paired with paddles and slap stick on the console.

I want to shift and control my gear selection but I rather do it through a better, faster, better tech option.

I make every single shift in my AT up and down (aside from 2-1 that's terrible for it) and I DD the car.

370bluez 09-16-2015 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3310252)
.........that's your argument? im lost at this point.

I don't think you full grasp the concept and reason of the 7AT transmission paired with paddles and slap stick on the console.

I want to shift and control my gear selection but I rather do it through a better, faster, better tech option.

I make every single shift in my AT up and down (aside from 2-1 that's terrible for it) and I DD the car.

I'm not talking to you at this point.

My simple legitimate question about lack of sport mode turned into an e penis "I shift myself because D is dumb" measurement contest.

I got my answer. Carry on bsing about my driving skills and my noobness

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SouthArk370Z 09-16-2015 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3310247)
You paid for the auto to shift gears faster than you can. Not the other way around. If you have to shift it constantly yourself why not get a manual?

Everybody has a different style of driving. Some prefer a manual, some an auto, some like to shift an auto manually.

When I had my 7AT Z it spent most of it time in auto. But it was fun to drop into manual mode and swat the stick (or flick the paddles). Could I shift better than the TCM? Hell no! But I didn't care - I was having fun.

If you don't like the 7AT, maybe a Z is not the car for you.

FPenvy 09-16-2015 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3310273)
I'm not talking to you at this point.

My simple legitimate question about lack of sport mode turned into an e penis "I shift myself because D is dumb" measurement contest.

I got my answer. Carry on bsing about my driving skills and my noobness

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I haven't said you couldn't drive. but then again never seen it so who knows.

and it is not a penis competition about shifting or not shifting.

it's simply saying the ECUTCM is good but not the best. for best results do it yourself. I don't get what's hard to grasp from that statement.

if you're not happy with how the car reacts in auto then drop it into manual and have at it. if not get a different vehicle.

I give advice on what the car can do and is possible in a thread titled "Dumb question...." sums up the controversy now I guess.

JARblue 09-16-2015 10:54 AM

OP,

Stop looking for a bull$hit S mode that isn't going to do anything noticeably different. The Z D mode > any sedan/coupe (NON-sports car) S mode. Go drive a TDI or G37 if you want S mode. It's just marketing bs. Of course there are differences, but don't think a G37 in S mode is going to shift better or faster than the Z in D mode.

The Z D mode learns how you are driving and adjusts to compensate. If you want it to shift harder, then you have to drive it harder. I believe there are some tuning options for the 7AT as well.

The 7AT on the 370Z is a pretty phenomenal transmission, especially considering it's age (FP, don't you dare quote this in the Auto vs Manual thread :mad:). And I drive the 6MT. I agree with SouthArk in that if you don't like it, you should probably look at a different vehicle :ugh:

JARblue 09-16-2015 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3310285)
it's simply saying the ECUTCM is good but not the best. for best results do it yourself. I don't get what's hard to grasp from that statement.

Pretty much every AT in existence sucks at shifting around town unless your throttle inputs are perfectly in tune with the driving conditions (because throttle input controls the AT shifting). And no one's throttle inputs ever are.

Shifting input is much easier to control, hence your recommendation :driving:

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3310285)
if you're not happy with how the car reacts in auto then drop it into manual and have at it. if not get a different vehicle.

:iagree:

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3310285)
I give advice on what the car can do and is possible in a thread titled "Dumb question...." sums up the controversy now I guess.

:icon18: :ugh2:

rooftop 09-16-2015 11:02 AM

OP wants the D

SouthArk370Z 09-16-2015 11:06 AM

Maybe we need to revive the Comedy Classics thread. :)

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370bluez 09-16-2015 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rooftop (Post 3310298)
OP wants the D

OP wants the S and doesn't want the D (during spirited driving) read the thread. :happydance:

SouthArk370Z 09-16-2015 11:15 AM

Then put your toenails in the radiator. The car will go into "S mode" automagically.


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