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Spooler 08-13-2015 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3284104)
Yea, the mags say that but I personally saw faster. Neither here nor there. Its not as quick a 370 in any flavor not debating that. I just dont see the Z as "slow". Its a canyon carver with some power backing it up. Unlike BRZ/FRS.

370z Nismo's flat out like the mountain roads.

jcosta79 08-13-2015 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ped (Post 3284032)
So a better drive in a Prius will beat a 370Z to 60 and the quarter mile?

It's not the driver, it's the car.

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Zbo 08-14-2015 12:10 PM

i have no problem with the quickness of the car . I have a problem that this 3.7 engine uses gas like today's modern v8"s . You may as well have bought a v8

Firebase99 08-14-2015 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbo (Post 3285106)
i have no problem with the quickness of the car . I have a problem that this 3.7 engine uses gas like today's modern v8"s . You may as well have bought a v8

But you bought the car anyway knowing that right? You did know that before you bought it?

darkphantom 08-14-2015 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbo (Post 3285106)
i have no problem with the quickness of the car . I have a problem that this 3.7 engine uses gas like today's modern v8"s . You may as well have bought a v8

Yeah, I definitely agree - even with a 6MT...I can't get above 18-19 in city...

njobe89 08-14-2015 01:30 PM

i honestly don't get how some people that aren't boosted get such low mpg's... i have a cbe, intakes, and tp's, plus a tune and i'm still averaging about 22mpg's. no, i don't drive like a grandma.

also, if you bought this car for the mpg's, you bought it for the wrong reason :p

BC416 08-14-2015 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by njobe89 (Post 3285194)
i honestly don't get how some people that aren't boosted get such low mpg's... i have a cbe, intakes, and tp's, plus a tune and i'm still averaging about 22mpg's. no, i don't drive like a grandma.

also, if you bought this car for the mpg's, you bought it for the wrong reason :p

City driving. I think my average MPH isn't even 20 so I'm around 18-20mpg.

UNKNOWN_370 08-14-2015 04:16 PM

I get 16 mpg's... It is what it is. At least gas is reasonable

ped 08-20-2015 10:46 AM

My MPG averages moved up by 2 MPG in both city and highway after my breathing mods and UpRev tune.

Hotrodz 08-20-2015 04:42 PM

Lol mine has gone down significantly since my mods.

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FairladyZ40th 08-20-2015 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ped (Post 3289952)
My MPG averages moved up by 2 MPG in both city and highway after my breathing mods and UpRev tune.


Could you post a link? If it's a purchasable upgrade online?


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Felix 808 08-20-2015 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3290419)
Lol mine has gone down significantly since my mods.

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Probably because you can't keep your foot out of it ;)

Hotrodz 08-20-2015 06:15 PM

Boooost.....

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RonZwanson 08-24-2015 04:11 PM

Over the weekend I went to my first track day. I feel that qualifies me as an expert to give my opinion...:icon17:

My car is, for all intents and purposes, stock. Really no mods that affect power (uh, AAM short tails...for weight savings!.. and some drop-in filters). Other than that, I've got the necessities for our car - a Stillen oil cooler, high temp brake fluid, stainless lines, and some more aggressive pads.

Anyway, point is, at the end of the day, my experience with the Z on a track in a pretty mixed field of cars ended up being about what I thought it would. Actually, I was a bit pleasantly surprised.

I was on a tight, technical track (Shenandoah Circuit at Summit Point) and as far as who was running faster than who, I was probably in the top third of the drivers in my group. I know a lot of that depends on who's driving, but I was passed by cars that should pass me. (A Hemi Challenger, few Vettes, Porsche Panamera Turbo, and an '03ish WRX with an aftermarket turbo and a whole bunch of other mods). Sure we were on a tight track, but regardless of cornering, cars with 100+ more hp should be passing me.

On the flip side of the coin, I was impressed with who I was keeping up with and passing. I skipped by a bunch of Miatas (duh) and an FR-S, but also ran down a lot of newer German sport sedans. I was up a CLA45's tailpipes on the turns, and right with him on straights (douche wouldn't give me a point-by though). I lost an M3 (maybe 2 years old...) in the turns by enough to keep him behind me on straights. I pretty easily passed a current gen WRX. I ran with a new M235i for a while. He was all over me in the corners, but I actually pulled away a little on straights. I let him by to be a gentleman. It was also fun blowing by all the old guys in their C4 Vettes.

My takeaway here is that no, the Z isn't the BEST at any one particular task, but it's really good at a lot of things. That's what makes it hard to compare to other cars. It's funny, I actually had this conversation with my driving instructor who rode shotgun. He really liked the car (his first time in a 370Z). He liked the linear power and the handling. I told him when I was shopping, Ford had just released the 5.0 Mustang, and it was between those two. He was happy I made the choice I did, as am I.

For me, the Z is fast enough in a straight line to be fun, and it handles pretty durn well too. And it's not going to break the bank to own like a Porsche. (My bank being of the small piggy variety.)

GZ3 08-24-2015 04:59 PM

You were passed by a challenger on a tight road course...? I eat those and spit them out at hpde... Sounds like you did ok, maybe there is allot of limits you havebt pushed yet on the Z but you should not be getting passed by any challengers. The panamera turbo is also questionalble. Assuming this is a tight course. You should be right on par with all verisons of vettes c6 and below assuming they are stock. Anthing above a c6 is too much for a Stock Z on a tight course. Vettes also run pretty hot just like the vhr. I guarantee with a few more events under your belt youll be killing challengers

RonZwanson 08-24-2015 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 3292894)
You were passed by a challenger on a tight road course...? I eat those and spit them out at hpde... Sounds like you did ok, maybe there is allot of limits you havebt pushed yet on the Z but you should not be getting passed by any challengers. The panamera turbo is also questionalble. Assuming this is a tight course. You should be right on par with all verisons of vettes c6 and below assuming they are stock. Anthing above a c6 is too much for a Stock Z on a tight course. Vettes also run pretty hot just like the vhr. I guarantee with a few more events under your belt youll be killing challengers

Yeah, I definitely wasn't pushing the car as hard as I could, since I do have to drive it to and from work every day. Only ran it up to about 7k, no redlining. I also don't have very aggressive tires on it (Michelin Pilot A/S 3 - which actually did okay). I don't know if the guy in the Challenger had any suspension work done, because he was cornering pretty well, but he pitted out right behind me from the start, and I couldn't create enough space before the first straight, where his 485 hp did its job. The Panamera...no way we're keeping up with that. Those things corner surprisingly well, and it has 520 hp. When I gave him a point-by, my copilot said to just keep my foot down. I did, and he went by me like I was parked. Haha.

At any rate, I'm already researching dedicated wheels and tires, and keeping my eye on the classifieds for a Stillen Gen 3 intake...

Spooler 08-24-2015 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RonZwanson (Post 3293010)
Yeah, I definitely wasn't pushing the car as hard as I could, since I do have to drive it to and from work every day. Only ran it up to about 7k, no redlining. I also don't have very aggressive tires on it (Michelin Pilot A/S 3 - which actually did okay). I don't know if the guy in the Challenger had any suspension work done, because he was cornering pretty well, but he pitted out right behind me from the start, and I couldn't create enough space before the first straight, where his 485 hp did its job. The Panamera...no way we're keeping up with that. Those things corner surprisingly well, and it has 520 hp. When I gave him a point-by, my copilot said to just keep my foot down. I did, and he went by me like I was parked. Haha.

At any rate, I'm already researching dedicated wheels and tires, and keeping my eye on the classifieds for a Stillen Gen 3 intake...

Hang out in the Track forum and get some more seat time. Your best beat is on a set of tires, RE11's. When you get ever ounce out of the car, then go from there. I need some more seat time myself. I am rusty.

jchammond 08-25-2015 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Wicked Daddy (Post 3279018)
So my first post here (other than the intro) is sure to spark a debate but I feel it's a legit question.

I have been doing a lot of research on the Nismo Z, as I'm 90% sure it will be my next car. But I can't understand why it's 0-60 performance is slower than other cars that have less power and/or lower HP to weight ratios.



The various magazines like the handling and that is a good thing. But most will complain that it's under-powered while also complimenting the VQ as one of the best V6's ever built (I agree). Years ago the Z was described as a beast. Now it doesn't even make the list of top sports cars. What happened?



Personally, I love the looks of the Nismo and I can always increase the performance. But I also wonder what happened to the once, almost legendary reputation of this car. I still want one.


Yeah; you probably ruffled a few feathers/ I'm a die hard Chevy man & got my ~Z~ on a mulligan. @6'6"285lbs & car has a curb weight of 3350; not exactly sure what you're implying,as a stock mustang,camaro ss,challenger all bite the dust vs. mine. (All stock except for K&N drop in air filters) I love my ~Z~ & have more leg room than other cars mentioned- even a Vette....here's a couple sample videos.https://vimeo.com/137220516https://vimeo.com/137220576
Note: factory 3.359:1 open rear axle,7sp.Auto


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jchammond 08-25-2015 02:11 AM

Can't alway's go by what you read in books,magazine's etc....mine put up a 13.1@105 with my big azz in it,,,Surely would break into the 12's with a lighter driver.
You couldn't trade me any of thos other cars listed....and when i start adding some bolt on's...LOOK-OUT, cause i ain't scared to push it.
That's about all i have to say about that.
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Jordo! 08-25-2015 03:37 AM

Unless the OP is talking about heavily modified boosted cars, with the possible exception of the latest iteration of V8 Mustangs/Camaros (and I believe for more money and coming with a lot more torque) the Z is still around the head of the pack on N/A performance, especially for the money.

On that note, the latest V6 Mustang has a 3.7 that makes less power and about the same torque as the Z and is NOT faster in a straight line, stock vs. stock.

Also, compare the Mustang Ecoboost (more powerful than their V6) to the Z
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/n..._ecoboost.html

vs. the much more powerful Mustang GT, which also has a better power to weight ratio
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/n...ance_pack.html

It's about even with the 2015 WRX STi -- the slight advantage for the WRX likely being due to the AWD.
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/n...5_wrx_sti.html

ban25 08-25-2015 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RonZwanson (Post 3293010)
Yeah, I definitely wasn't pushing the car as hard as I could, since I do have to drive it to and from work every day. Only ran it up to about 7k, no redlining. I also don't have very aggressive tires on it (Michelin Pilot A/S 3 - which actually did okay). I don't know if the guy in the Challenger had any suspension work done, because he was cornering pretty well, but he pitted out right behind me from the start, and I couldn't create enough space before the first straight, where his 485 hp did its job. The Panamera...no way we're keeping up with that. Those things corner surprisingly well, and it has 520 hp. When I gave him a point-by, my copilot said to just keep my foot down. I did, and he went by me like I was parked. Haha.

At any rate, I'm already researching dedicated wheels and tires, and keeping my eye on the classifieds for a Stillen Gen 3 intake...

Take a look at the Bridgestone Potenza RE-71R, it succeeds the RE-11/RE-11A and has excellent grip. I took a set to Buttonwillow this weekend and had no sliding, even through the long right-hand sweepers. Track pads are also key -- 100-40 is fun and, most importantly, reliable with my Carbotech XP10s.

I have had a lot of problems with clutch pressure (fluid boils after 2-3 laps) and oil temperature (always pushing 260+ after the first lap), but I have a 34-row Setrab core going in along with new clutch, flywheel, cylinders, and hoses in a few weeks. Baffled oil pan will go in after that. This should greatly improve the track-worthiness of the car. At this point, I'll be down to fuel-cut on right-handers -- considering a CJM pump to fix that.

ped 09-29-2015 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ40th (Post 3290446)
Could you post a link? If it's a purchasable upgrade online?

https://uprev.com/secure/

Some people on this forum will tune by email - they send you a base/safe tune, you drive around collecting data and send it to them, they tweak the tune and send back for you to flash and test and so on. Supposedly can get close to optimal tune, but the best way is to take it to a tuning shop that has a dyno where they do before, during and after dyno runs to tune it right.


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