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SouthArk370Z 08-11-2015 10:38 AM

As far as I can tell, all the cars that are faster than the Z (and in the same price range) don't handle near as well. If you want a straight-line drag car, buy one of the hyper-horsepowered Challenger/Mustang/Camaros. If you want a car that can carve a corner (and still do a respectable job in the quarter), get a Z. YMMV

Zerocool 08-11-2015 11:43 AM

The z34 wasn't designed for 0-60 time or straights. It was built for tracks and circuits. I've come to terms with the car not being "fast" a month after I took her home from the dealership. She's quick and can take a corner very aggressively. Are there other cars faster than the z? well yeah but try taking them into a corner with the Z and watch the Z overtake and pull away.

osbornsm 08-11-2015 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Zerocool (Post 3282176)
It was built for tracks and circuits.

Unless you count the over-heating oil, boiling brake fluid, and fuel starvation... YES, it is READY for the racetrack.

:stirthepot:

kenchan 08-11-2015 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by osbornsm (Post 3282307)
Unless you count the over-heating oil, boiling brake fluid, and fuel starvation... YES, it is READY for the racetrack.

:stirthepot:

wat do u have to say about whiteline? :confused:


























:p

LennyK 08-11-2015 01:53 PM

People seem to want to compare the 370Z (Roadster) to the Porsche Boxter

Really??? 370Z vs. Boxster 4 cylinder

What do you think (know) would happen in a real test vs the Porsche??:eekdance:

dotcomee 08-11-2015 02:22 PM

When I'm driving on the freeway, I can keep up with all the other cars. :confused:

mishuko 08-11-2015 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3282315)
wat do u have to say about whiteline? :confused:


























:p

original lsd said nope and did a :roflpuke2:

Quote:

Originally Posted by LennyK (Post 3282325)
People seem to want to compare the 370Z (Roadster) to the Porsche Boxter

Really??? 370Z vs. Boxster 4 cylinder

What do you think (know) would happen in a real test vs the Porsche??:eekdance:

the goal was to be a viable option compared to the entry level porches. i think we can all agree the 911 would blow the z out of the water. do a lap around its mom. then go after its children and throw them for a loop.

then eat the dog. :tiphat:

RN SHARK 08-11-2015 02:55 PM

When I want to drive a vehicle fast off the line I drive my Grand Cherokee. When I want to go out corner carving, I drive my Grand Cherokee. Oh yeah, I have a Z too. Shoot. Forgot about it in the garage.

ZMan8 08-11-2015 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LennyK (Post 3282325)
People seem to want to compare the 370Z (Roadster) to the Porsche Boxter

Really??? 370Z vs. Boxster 4 cylinder

What do you think (know) would happen in a real test vs the Porsche??:eekdance:

Boxster in all trims is a 6 cylinder engine until at least next year. That's why they compare it. And against a Boxster S/GTS the Z may and probably will lose.
Porsche All Boxster Models - Porsche Cars North America

ayrton88 08-11-2015 04:50 PM

0-60 times are only important for muscle cars. I don't even know what it is for a Z. Don't care. I want a sports car that has neutral handling through the corners. I would much rather have a slow Miata than a fast in a straight line Mustang. If you are concerned about drag racing, shopping for a Z is looking in the wrong place.

STICK_SHIFT 08-11-2015 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8 (Post 3282058)
:iagree: You want the Z's true competitors (RWD, front engine, 2 seaters, with similar power plants) you get Audi TT, BMW Z4, Porsche Boxster/Cayman.

Don't forget the F-Type Jaguar!

Another car with similar performance for twice the $$$.

Smashley 08-11-2015 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by STICK_SHIFT (Post 3282517)
Don't forget the F-Type Jaguar!

Another car with similar performance for twice the $$$.

Love the F-type:tup: The exhaust is amazing.

Hard to talk about the Z when family members buy s*** like this:yum:


http://i.imgur.com/cpLKn4X.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/e2iEdMP.jpg

Z_ealot 08-11-2015 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Smashley (Post 3282629)
Love the F-type:tup: The exhaust is amazing.

Hard to talk about the Z when family members buy s*** like this:yum:


http://i.imgur.com/cpLKn4X.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/e2iEdMP.jpg

Buying it is one thing, actually racing it on a track like it's meant to be is another....and I'm willing to bet that most people that buy that type of car will rarely ever see track time unless they're betting on a horse

AntiVenom 08-11-2015 08:11 PM

two words for anyone that thinks the Z is slow: forced induction. :tup:

why not have the best of both worlds?

osbornsm 08-12-2015 09:03 AM

Who put the Audi TT in this comparo????

It comes in FWD or half-assed AWD. Makes what... 300 tops?

:confused:

STICK_SHIFT 08-12-2015 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by osbornsm (Post 3282975)
Who put the Audi TT in this comparo????

It comes in FWD or half-assed AWD. Makes what... 300 tops?

:confused:

Because of the DSG, though, the TTS will beat the 370Z at a dragstrip--and possibly around a road course, too.

But lack of a manual transmission means I still wouldn't buy one.

osbornsm 08-12-2015 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by STICK_SHIFT (Post 3283078)
Because of the DSG, though, the TTS will beat the 370Z at a dragstrip--and possibly around a road course, too.

But lack of a manual transmission means I still wouldn't buy one.

This is true, my 2004 VW R32 was pretty much a TTS.

I'm still having trouble beating some of the VW's lap time with the 370z, and the VW had 240 horse?! :eek:

kenchan 08-12-2015 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayrton88 (Post 3282489)
0-60 times are only important for muscle cars. I don't even know what it is for a Z. Don't care. I want a sports car that has neutral handling through the corners. I would much rather have a slow Miata than a fast in a straight line Mustang. If you are concerned about drag racing, shopping for a Z is looking in the wrong place.

but u're in chicago... wat 'corners' you speak of? :rofl2: in ur town, 300hp is a minimum requirement if you want to have fun. :D

Jepawa 08-12-2015 02:33 PM

In my humble opinion, the Z was never about 0-60 times. It was about a fun car to drive that looks amazing and has decent HP. The cars that I looked at and test drove before buying mine were the Subaru BRZ(underpowered but cheaper), Corvette stingray(more power, more expensive), so I ended up in the middle ground with a fun rear wheel drive car that gets looks and is fun to drive, and according to my wife "Erry Body and there mama gotta mustang".

Z_ealot 08-12-2015 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STICK_SHIFT (Post 3283078)
Because of the DSG, though, the TTS will beat the 370Z at a dragstrip--and possibly around a road course, too.

But lack of a manual transmission means I still wouldn't buy one.

I've beaten a tts in my Z

Akurei 08-12-2015 05:22 PM

Fastest from top to bottom "Average" quarter mile times (2015

charger SRT8 12.4 sec
challenger R/T scat pack 12.9 sec
SS 1LE 12.9 sec
5.0 13.2 sec
370Z 13.3 sec
STI 13.3 sec
EVO 13.7
Genesis 14.4

Now these are just average. With a better driver, you can get down lower. With a stock base sport Z, there has been a few who have got down to 12.8-13 seconds. However, that is just internet proof.

This is just showing you an average, not accurate result of where we stand.

There is a new evo coming out a final edition that will be pretty quick, and if I remember correctly, hyundai was planning something with the genesis. Sooner or later, the Z will be on the bottom of the list.

FairladyZ40th 08-12-2015 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LennyK (Post 3282325)
People seem to want to compare the 370Z (Roadster) to the Porsche Boxter



Really??? 370Z vs. Boxster 4 cylinder



What do you think (know) would happen in a real test vs the Porsche??:eekdance:


Here's what I think man haha although there is vids where the boxster wins ... Must have a lot to do with the driver too though.

http://youtu.be/GGPpU17C5JM


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Firebase99 08-12-2015 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akurei (Post 3283500)
Fastest from top to bottom "Average" quarter mile times (2015

charger SRT8 12.4 sec
challenger R/T scat pack 12.9 sec
SS 1LE 12.9 sec
5.0 13.2 sec
370Z 13.3 sec
STI 13.3 sec
EVO 13.7
Genesis 14.4

Now these are just average. With a better driver, you can get down lower. With a stock base sport Z, there has been a few who have got down to 12.8-13 seconds. However, that is just internet proof.

This is just showing you an average, not accurate result of where we stand.

There is a new evo coming out a final edition that will be pretty quick, and if I remember correctly, hyundai was planning something with the genesis. Sooner or later, the Z will be on the bottom of the list.

14.4 for a 3.8 Genesis. Stock I've seen 13.5. Yea that 14.4 is for the 2 liter not the 3.8

2009_370z 08-12-2015 06:28 PM

Don't forget about the CSC failure :ugh2:.

Quote:

Originally Posted by osbornsm (Post 3282307)
Unless you count the over-heating oil, boiling brake fluid, and fuel starvation... YES, it is READY for the racetrack.

:stirthepot:


Eagle 08-12-2015 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2009_370z (Post 3283563)
Don't forget about the CSC failure :ugh2:.

...and fuel starvation :horse:

Akurei 08-12-2015 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3283532)
14.4 for a 3.8 Genesis. Stock I've seen 13.5. Yea that 14.4 is for the 2 liter not the 3.8

I figured that was an oddball number but I was at work and had to get numbers quickly off of websites.

Was the reason I put they are not accurate numbers but close enough for you all to judge and confirm that we are still doing ok but not the best obviously as stated before by everyone

Akurei 08-12-2015 08:04 PM

Not knocking on Nismos because obviously Zs are not menat for drag times completely. Here is a post by Cars and drivers

Well, for one thing, the automatic is quicker. By our measure, the 370Z NISMO automatic shot to 60 mph in 4.9 seconds and passed the quarter-mile mark in 13.6 at 106 mph, 0.3- and 0.1-second quicker than the last manual-equipped370Z NISMO*we tested. We still haven’t been able to match what appears to have been a particularly quick,*non-NISMO 370Z automaticwe tested a few years back (and not for lack of trying). Even with 332 horsepower, that car hit 60 in 4.6 seconds and powered through the quarter in 13.1 seconds at 108 mph.

Depends on the driver and your intentions of the car. I believe the less weight of the base is the reason

Firebase99 08-12-2015 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akurei (Post 3283648)
Not knocking on Nismos because obviously Zs are not menat for drag times completely. Here is a post by Cars and drivers

Well, for one thing, the automatic is quicker. By our measure, the 370Z NISMO automatic shot to 60 mph in 4.9 seconds and passed the quarter-mile mark in 13.6 at 106 mph, 0.3- and 0.1-second quicker than the last manual-equipped370Z NISMO*we tested. We still haven’t been able to match what appears to have been a particularly quick,*non-NISMO 370Z automaticwe tested a few years back (and not for lack of trying). Even with 332 horsepower, that car hit 60 in 4.6 seconds and powered through the quarter in 13.1 seconds at 108 mph.

Depends on the driver and your intentions of the car. I believe the less weight of the base is the reason

I remember vividly that review. They pitted it against a $200k Aston. Shocking numbers from a stock Z in a Mag review in 2009. It was blue. Lol.

Firebase99 08-12-2015 09:15 PM

Not that the 370 isn't quicker than a 3.8 Genesis. It is. Owned both. It's just not over a second quicker in the 1/4. I miss my 370. Sometimes. When the weather is great and the roads clear, miss my track days, rowing my own gears. But it was so few and far between. The current Z is quick, handles like a dream. Yea we all want more power and speed, me included. Someone a while back said in a rebuttal about more power speed etc in reference to the 86 twins that it's "not deal breaking slow". Which IMO, the Twins are. That being said to keep up with the pack a true Z car is a cheap Porsche fighter. It's gonna need mega weight savings or a mega power bump.

Spooler 08-12-2015 09:22 PM

I don't even count the American made cars. They don't handle worth a squat. Especially a Dodge. My car has to turn, and do it well.

Hotrodz 08-13-2015 12:01 AM

This thread make no sense, if you want to drag a 370z do it because that is what you want to do, but you are not going to beat muscle cars bone stock or even juiced horse power to horsepower. And for all the rest of the comparisons just look at were the Z competes in road racing at the highest level. It plays up, not down in the same classes as many of the cars mentioned that are three or four times the price or more. Hell it competes with 911s and Z28s and beats them!!! :stirthepot:

ped 08-13-2015 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @NT (Post 3279969)
My WRX was definitely faster 0-60, but the Z is faster up top. Once I got the car tuned, it made a HUGE difference down low and throttle response.

Exactly - slap in a CAI, catback exhaust and UpRev tune and it drives like a different (even better) car!

ped 08-13-2015 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wicked Daddy (Post 3280953)
Thanks to all for the input.
As I said, the Nismo Z is my car of choice. I had a 06 G35 that I built up, only because I really wanted a Z but the dealer made me a deal on the G that the Nissan dealer couldn't beat. I finally traded it in on a QX60 for my wife and now I'm finally going to get my Z. When making comparisons, I found (as others have pointed out) that the econo-boxes (love that!) had faster launch times and that was perplexing.

WRX = 4 wheel drive
Others = front-wheel drive in most cases

ped 08-13-2015 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3281155)
:hello: long time no post! :D


my Z can still get me in trouble in 5sec so i dont see the car as being too slow. :icon17: plus it's got that special something those other cars dont have. it's not just speed im after.

I don't see how anyone can call the 370Z "slow" in any event - 0-60 in 4.8 and 13.4 @ 105.6 stock. Add a CAI and catback plus a tune and you could be looking at 13 flat or high 12s.

ped 08-13-2015 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79 (Post 3281341)
It's not the car, it's the driver.

So a better drive in a Prius will beat a 370Z to 60 and the quarter mile?

ped 08-13-2015 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3283532)
14.4 for a 3.8 Genesis. Stock I've seen 13.5. Yea that 14.4 is for the 2 liter not the 3.8

13.8 according to this test:

Hyundai Genesis coupe Reviews - Hyundai Genesis coupe Price, Photos, and Specs - Car and Driver

Quote:

The 3482-pound 3.8 R-Spec two-door we tested needed 5.2 seconds to hit 60 mph, 0.3 fewer than before. The quarter-mile went by in 13.8 at 104 mph
So a half second slower.

Firebase99 08-13-2015 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ped (Post 3284039)

Yea, the mags say that but I personally saw faster. Neither here nor there. Its not as quick a 370 in any flavor not debating that. I just dont see the Z as "slow". Its a canyon carver with some power backing it up. Unlike BRZ/FRS.

Firebase99 08-13-2015 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ped (Post 3284025)
I don't see how anyone can call the 370Z "slow" in any event - 0-60 in 4.8 and 13.4 @ 105.6 stock. Add a CAI and catback plus a tune and you could be looking at 13 flat or high 12s.


Theres this guy, his Handle is Veetec on the 350 forums who ran an HR...stock at 13.1 @107mph.

Driftomodachi 08-13-2015 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mishuko (Post 3282378)
then eat the dog. :tiphat:

Only if they are Asian lol

Driftomodachi 08-13-2015 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZMan8 (Post 3282058)
:iagree: You want the Z's true competitors (RWD, front engine, 2 seaters, with similar power plants) you get Audi TT, BMW Z4, Porsche Boxster/Cayman.

EDIT: I realize the Porsches are not Front engine, but other factors are consistent :tup:

The Audi TT is either FF or AWD not FR


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