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dP3NGU1N 05-28-2015 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath (Post 3211593)
1) Which is garbage because ANYONE can make a mistake. This is why I have a strong dislike for defense attorneys.

2) Most newer LIDARs (laser) calibrate themselves when you turn them on. Also on LIDARs, calibration is literally pushing a button and waiting 5 seconds. Radars are just as easy.

You've left out one very important detail. When you put government and legalese (the language of lawyers) in anything you need to throw all semblance of common sense out the window and promptly dive after it, if only to ensure its demise.

RayMaN 05-28-2015 12:56 PM

I hate cops.. Have gotten false tickets twice.. I would ask a lawyer

onzedge 05-28-2015 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RayMaN (Post 3211633)
I hate cops.. Have gotten false tickets twice.. I would ask a lawyer

:shakes head:

1st 05-28-2015 01:00 PM

America ain't ever gave a 7uck about y'all
Let the streets be the prosecuter, judge and jury
Let me have a trial by fury

zguynate 05-28-2015 01:21 PM

Must..... resist... ignorance...

JC-Nismo 05-28-2015 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by njobe89 (Post 3211172)
no, i was driving 40 in a 25 zone coming into a turn that had pot holes in the road. i got as close to the double yellow line without crossing it, a cop was coming on the opposite end and turned around after me. i immediately pulled over cause i thought she got me going 15mph not a big deal. she comes up to the window and states "you could have lost control and hit me" and proceeds to write me a reckless driving ticket.


i could have won the lottery but didnt. wish i could go collect the 200 million jackpot with that statement :roflpuke2: :roflpuke2:

So she writes you a ticket for what could've happened and that's justified just because there cops and guys on here are actually defending these azzholes that we pay to protect and serve??? What a joke!!!

RayMaN 05-28-2015 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JC-Nismo (Post 3210628)
Radars and laser jammers.......... Haven't had a ticket in 8 years and trust me, I push the limit on a regular basis. If I don't wanna speed I drive my smart car, which is my DD, but when I get in my Nismo or SRT8 there's a strong chance I'm getting in the triples.

Lol.. Any recommendations?

JC-Nismo 05-28-2015 03:54 PM

I have the ESCORT 9500 in my SRT8 and the 8500 in my Nismo and neither have ever failed me. Got K40 Jammers on the SRT8 and getting ready to do the same to the Z.

vtec to vvel 05-28-2015 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath (Post 3211593)
1) Which is garbage because ANYONE can make a mistake. This is why I have a strong dislike for defense attorneys.

2) Most newer LIDARs (laser) calibrate themselves when you turn them on. Also on LIDARs, calibration is literally pushing a button and waiting 5 seconds. Radars are just as easy.

1. lets see how liberal you are if a doctor was to amputate the wrong limb. yes, anyone can make a mistake, however, leo are trained to pay attention to detail. if an leo cannot even get basic information, a good lawyer can and will argue the integrity and accuracy of the ticket itself.

2. true, but, not all states use the same radar gun. either way, there will be some record that the device has been calibrated. if this cannot be produced, a good lawyer can and will argue the validity of the ticket.

vtec to vvel 05-28-2015 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dP3NGU1N (Post 3211632)
You've left out one very important detail. When you put government and legalese (the language of lawyers) in anything you need to throw all semblance of common sense out the window and promptly dive after it, if only to ensure its demise.

exactly

zguynate 05-28-2015 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel (Post 3211889)
1. lets see how liberal you are if a doctor was to amputate the wrong limb. yes, anyone can make a mistake, however, leo are trained to pay attention to detail. if an leo cannot even get basic information, a good lawyer can and will argue the integrity and accuracy of the ticket itself.

2. true, but, not all states use the same radar gun. either way, there will be some record that the device has been calibrated. if this cannot be produced, a good lawyer can and will argue the validity of the ticket.

Hahaha. Man you've got me pinned wrong. First off I'm pretty conservative. But at the same time I'm not an "azzhole" like JC says. People make mistakes. You're comparison of a doctor amputating the wrong limb is somewhat more extreme than writing a number or a letter down mistakenly. My point with that is, a defense attorney can knowingly defend someone who has murdered someone, or robbed someone, but then get the guy off on a technicality. If your or a loved one was a victim of a crime and their defense attorney got them off of an assault charge for a typo, you would be pretty angry.

So because this officer wrote down one digit wrong out of the guys license number, he is therefore proven incompetent for the entirety of the case? Lol give me a break.

I understand the calibration of the equipment. I'm just saying that you shouldn't bank on that because officers know that will get the ticket thrown out, therefore they will probably take the ~5 seconds to do it.

RayMaN 05-28-2015 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath (Post 3211976)
People make mistakes. You're comparison of a doctor amputating the wrong limb is somewhat more extreme than writing a number or a letter down mistakenly. My point with that is, a defense attorney can knowingly defend someone who has murdered someone, or robbed someone, but then get the guy off on a technicality. If your or a loved one was a victim of a crime and their defense attorney got them off of an assault charge for a typo, you would be pretty angry.

Lol.. Bro.. Murder is also "extreme" (more so than amputation even) so.. Him speeding a little.. Really shouldn't be compared to any of that..

In my personal experience.. Cops have straight up lied.. I was speeding, cop pulls me over and gives me a reckless driving ticket.. When I read the ticket.. It said (I'm being serious here) that I was driving in such a reckless manor that cars were swerving off the road to avoid me crashing into them.. I couldn't believe it.. Had to get a lawyer and go through the court stuff.. In the end.. Cop agreed to reduce it to careless driving rather than reckless..

Bull f***ing shi*.. Had to pay court fees, lawyer, the ticket itself.. And had to do a ridiculous amount of community service hours..
All because the cop decided to lie and punish me for a more severe offense than what I had actually done..

Another incident.. Was speeding (82 on a 70).. Cop pulls me over.. Tells me I was doing 90.. I tell him I actually had cruise control set to 82 so I wasn't going 90.. His response.. "Oh.. So you're admitting to speeding then" gave me the ticket for 90.. This might seem negligible (90 rather than 82).. But it's not.. Going more than 15 mph over gets you points and therefore higher insurance rates.. So rather than paying it and that's it (what I deserved).. I had to do the whole driving school crap to avoid the points on my license.
Sorry.. I have no respect for cops

Memphis370Z 05-28-2015 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RayMaN (Post 3212047)
Lol.. Bro.. Murder is also "extreme" (more so than amputation even) so.. Him speeding a little.. Really shouldn't be compared to any of that..

In my personal experience.. Cops have straight up lied.. I was speeding, cop pulls me over and gives me a reckless driving ticket.. When I read the ticket.. It said (I'm being serious here) that I was driving in such a reckless manor that cars were swerving off the road to avoid me crashing into them.. I couldn't believe it.. Had to get a lawyer and go through the court stuff.. In the end.. Cop agreed to reduce it to careless driving rather than reckless..

Bull f***ing shi*.. Had to pay court fees, lawyer, the ticket itself.. And had to do a ridiculous amount of community service hours..
All because the cop decided to lie and punish me for a more severe offense than what I had actually done..

Another incident.. Was speeding (82 on a 70).. Cop pulls me over.. Tells me I was doing 90.. I tell him I actually had cruise control set to 82 so I wasn't going 90.. His response.. "Oh.. So you're admitting to speeding then" gave me the ticket for 90.. This might seem negligible (90 rather than 82).. But it's not.. Going more than 15 mph over gets you points and therefore higher insurance rates.. So rather than paying it and that's it (what I deserved).. I had to do the whole driving school crap to avoid the points on my license.

Sorry.. I have no respect for cops

I get where you're coming from. A couple of cops lied and f'ed you over, but saying that you have no respect for cops is pretty harsh. I doubt many of us would be willing to do what they do day in and day out. This thread is related to a speeding ticket, but cops do a hell of a lot more than write citations. Sh$t that I wouldn't want to do, and I suspect that you wouldn't want to do either. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, unless you live in a suburb or the country, I doubt giving out citations is really high on the list of stuff they want to get done in a given day. Being shot at, putting up with bullsh&t from the people they are trying to protect, getting in to physical altercations, etc...no thank you.

All that noted, I understand that there are some real azzholes out there who get off on hassling car enthusiasts (and speeders, in general), but, again, saying you have no respect for cops is pretty harsh. I'm sure if you were ever in need of real assistance from a LEO, you would feel differently.

I'm not an apologist, just saying that I appreciate the fact that most cops have a difficult job that is pretty thankless.

onzedge 05-28-2015 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Memphis370Z (Post 3212079)
I get where you're coming from. A couple of cops lied and f'ed you over, but saying that you have no respect for cops is pretty harsh. I doubt many of us would be willing to do what they do day in and day out. This thread is related to a speeding ticket, but cops do a hell of a lot more than write citations. Sh$t that I wouldn't want to do, and I suspect that you wouldn't want to do either. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, unless you live in a suburb or the country, I doubt giving out citations is really high on the list of stuff they want to get done in a given day. Being shot at, putting up with bullsh&t from the people they are trying to protect, getting in to physical altercations, etc...no thank you.

All that noted, I understand that there are some real azzholes out there who get off on hassling car enthusiasts (and speeders, in general), but, again, saying you have no respect for cops is pretty harsh. I'm sure if you were ever in need of real assistance from a LEO, you would feel differently.

I'm not an apologist, just saying that I appreciate the fact that most cops have a difficult job that is pretty thankless.

:tup:

vtec to vvel 05-28-2015 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath (Post 3211976)
Hahaha. Man you've got me pinned wrong. First off I'm pretty conservative. But at the same time I'm not an "azzhole" like JC says. People make mistakes. You're comparison of a doctor amputating the wrong limb is somewhat more extreme than writing a number or a letter down mistakenly. My point with that is, a defense attorney can knowingly defend someone who has murdered someone, or robbed someone, but then get the guy off on a technicality. If your or a loved one was a victim of a crime and their defense attorney got them off of an assault charge for a typo, you would be pretty angry.

So because this officer wrote down one digit wrong out of the guys license number, he is therefore proven incompetent for the entirety of the case? Lol give me a break.

I understand the calibration of the equipment. I'm just saying that you shouldn't bank on that because officers know that will get the ticket thrown out, therefore they will probably take the ~5 seconds to do it.

I'm confused. What does your point have to do with mine? That I would be angry because the OP was speeding?

The point of my analogy of wrong amputation vs speeding is the principle of attention to detail, and not so much of the level/degree of severity between the two. Both require specific attention to detail. If the leo writes inaccurate information on a citation, how much credibility do you think s/he will have in court? A decent lawyer can likely get a speeding ticket dismissed without any typos/inaccuracies, thus I'm pretty sure that a decent lawyer could get an inaccurate ticket dismissed, under what you stated as a "technicality", which btw you just proved my point to be valid (i.e. getting off on a technicality), after calling it "garbage".

And yes, all because one letter/number/character is off, a lawyer could use that and possibly get the ticket dismissed, as you have stated, on a technicality.

Sure, officers know to calibrate their equipment, as they are trained to do so. Officers are humans as well and can get complacent, and most importantly, as you also have stated, humans (which includes leo's) can make mistakes.


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