in texas... 55-77 degrees & low humidity in a 7at will get you sub 5's easy.

The perfect setup! Looks good man :tup:

Well guys been a while since I have posted up since I traded my Z. I purchased a 15 Dodge Challenger Scat Pack and let me tell you the domestics have upped thier game.
Bone stock I have run an 11.90@118.

All I can say is stay at the race tracks with corners in them and dont race any of them at the drag strip. You will be beat badly.

Geezuz, what was your 60'? Hell of a run. Mods? Hit any icebergs? :stirthepot:

Ha ha. No mullet here guys. My 60fts are 1.7 to 1.9 and I have to run slicks to get it to stick. Its rated at 485hp and 475 ft lbs of torque off the show room floor. I have only added a K&N Typhoon to the car and thats it. Then of course the next model up and thats the Hellcat and holy bejesus those cars hit low 11's or high 10's stock.
I sure do miss my Z at times but with the power, comfort, and room you cant beat it. If handling isnt a big issue for you check one of them out. Once you test drive one its all over and you more than likely drive it home. Im very pleased with my Scat Pack. She is a big girl tho.

Some guys on the Dodge forum claiming low 10's with slicks in the Hellcat. Like real low-10.1 at 139+

On Motor Trend's Ignition series, Carlos Lago clocked a 2012 sports package with stock tires with a manual transmission at 4.8s. I think it's just hard to replicate in the manual Z due to the transmission.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo7MoX_Fuds

Here is a video of me and my Scat Pack running a 12 flat on drag radials. That little STI awd wagon got :owned:


https://youtu.be/XA5mTPiS5aA


Back in 09 when the 370 came out it was whooping the pony cars pretty easily. Fast forward seven years and its not the case.

I was waiting for the next gen Z with better performance but it looks like Nissan has lost sight on it focusing more on the GTR. I would love to see the Z up their game and would be hilarious beating a pony car.

Definitely a different kind of crowd to be around for sure especially these Mopar nuts but in reality I love all sports cars and the Z was a gem of a car. I just got tired of falling in, climbing out, banging my head, and road noise. Getting older didnt help matters either!:roflpuke2:

Nice run! But if you're getting older, should your name be Tadpole anymore? :icon17:

Lol. There is a story behind the Tadpole name.

Catch me if you can in the curves!!

Be careful. The big fat Scat handles better than you think. :eekdance:

C/D TEST RESULTS: 370Z

Zero to 60 mph: 5.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 12.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 22.0 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 8.4 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 7.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.7 sec @ 106 mph
Top speed (C/D est): 157 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 167 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.90 g

C/D TEST RESULTS: Scat Pack

Zero to 60 mph: 4.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.6 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 16.7 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 25.2 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.3 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.1 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.6 sec @ 114 mph
Top speed (drag limited, mfr's est): 176 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 154 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.90 g

More magazine racing ********. :shakes head:

Exactly. And skidpad performance is not a very good indication of overall handling. Not every corner is constant radius, and transitions really show how balanced a car's handling is. That is where pony cars fall behind real sports cars. Driving is much more than pinning the gas pedal to the floor.

Yes sir just posting specs is all in comparison to the heavyweight Challenger. I never said it would hang with the Z in which I do know it cant on a tight course.
Im not here to start a heated topic but the pony cars in overall performance far exceeds the Z. It needs to be updated badly.
I will bow out and move on. You guys take care and I had a great time being a part of this forum.

Or for one to marry his sister :rofl2:

He's got a point here. The new muscle cars (well, the new mustang and camaro) are nothing to laugh at. Those cars CAN handle these days. Seriously, there is a lot of misconception regarding these cars, comparing them to their old generations. It's a night and day difference these days.

I can't speak for the challenger, although, I assume nothing has changed with it since it was re-released. It is heavy and wasn't made to handle, but there might be some variants of it better suited than others. I've heard the new Charger is nothing to laugh at. Call it bench racing all you want, but the American automakers have realized what it takes to be competitive these days and they are building some impressive cars.

I literally got done talking to my co-workers about American Muscle being THE best bang for the buck in the world right now. Killing it.

I'm not calling it bench racing because it's American Muscle, I'm calling it bench racing because it's bench racing.

The new Mustang is a great car, I'm happy Ford finally decided to try putting a modern suspension under their sports coupe, they did a great job with it. It's pretty soft and cushy when you push it, though, and the steering is still a lot slower than I'd like to see in a proper sports coupe. I could live with the steering, and I suppose springs/struts and sway bars aren't an outrageous thought. Plus, unlike the Z, the stability assistance actually lets you have a little fun before it goes into full nanny mode. The transmission shifs nicely, the Coyote V8 sounds sweet at redline, pedal position is great for heel-and-toe, it's actually a really good driver's car.

I have not driven a Camaro but I would like to, and I would probably buy one if the legendary visibility issues are really no worse than the Z.

As for the Dodge... No thanks. The quality issues are more than enough to make me not even care if they did handle, and the skidpad number doesn't tell you much at all about how the car handles at all.

Enjoy your car, and I will enjoy mine. :tiphat:

Wow. Piece of garbage? Rough crowd here as expected.
You better hope you are on a tight course or road there Mr. Davey because you will get your *** handed to you if a Scat Pack even considered to play with you even with a 1000 lb disadvantage
Yea, thats how I see a Z now. Adequate at best with 9 year old technology so my advice to you is get a GTR. Nissan has done little to nothing for the Z and it shows. Enjoy driving a car that once was phenomenal but left behind

I would agree that the American performance game is very strong right now. With the latest generation of Camaro and Mustang, they have done a good job of dropping weight and adding power, helping the pony cars handle much better. The Challenger still seems to fight on with brute force and ignorance.

My last track event, I set up in between a guy with a Hellcat Challenger and a guy with a new Camaro SS. They said they felt like they were fighting their cars keeping them on the track the whole time. They said the only time they were enjoying it was on the straight. They both left early because they said it wasn't very fun for them.

Meanwhile, my Z went exactly where I wanted it, and my instructor said that everything I did looked smooth and easy. After riding with him in his Mustang, I understood. He had to throw it in the corners and wrestle with it to get it to go where he wanted.

I test drove a 15 Camaro SS, a 15 Mustang GT, and a 15 Challenger SRT-8 before I bought my Z. I've always been a Z fan starting with my 77 280Z, and fell in love all over again with the Z33 and 34, but I knew they were down on power compared to the American pony cars, so I gave them all a shot.

Camaro, felt cramped in the interior, car felt big and heavy, power was great. Interior quality felt sub par, and the exterior looks were Ok, not great.
Mustang, interior felt good and comfortable, car felt more nimble and precise than the Camaro, power was good, and quality was much better than the Camaro. I thought it looked a lot better than the Camaro also.
Challenger, interior felt huge and comfortable, car felt very big and heavy, power was great, interior quality was about the same as the Chevy. I like the looks of the Challenger.
Z, small but comfortable interior, handling felt very precise, better than the pony cars, power was adequate, and interior quality was WAY better than the Americans. The Z is one of the sexiest cars on the road, IMHO.

The Z is not the fastest car in the world, but ultimate performance is not what I was after when I bought it. I love the style of it, love the layout and feel of the interior, love the handling and performance. The Z was a better car overall for me, because I was looking for a car I could autocross and do HPDEs in. If I was looking for something to drag race, I would have gone American. But it is kind of nice not seeing a Z everywhere, unlike the pony cars.:happydance:

TL, DR: I drove the American pony cars before buying my Z, but they were not what I was looking for.

:bowrofl:

You sound a little upset. I would be too, if I had bought a Chrysler. :tiphat:

These brand comparison d**k-measuring threads are always the same, unfold the same, end the same.

This whole thread was revived to brag about the 1/4 miles times of the Scat pack?

Agree it's quick, but if I was in the market for a Chrysler SUV, I think I'd get the Jeep SRT8 over the Challenger

Actually it was revived by a guy who used to take his Z to the drag strip regularly giving his impressions of his new car in comparison.

Tadpole, I'm still interested in making it out sometime. If you're still out there, I'll make the effort. I'll text you after I get some repairs taken care of in a few weeks :tiphat: :driving:

Fair enough.

But let's be real here, in regards to the comment above, the Challenger is not the epitome of technological advancement, it's just as outdated as a Z. It's advantage is that Chrysler keeps updating it with gigantic engines.

I'm not suggesting it is the epitome by any means. But comparing Dodge's advancements on the Challenger to Nissan's advancements made on the Z over the last nine years, Dodge looks like the fuckin Soviet Union in the original space race and Nissan looks like a non-participant.

I wasn't directing that at you. I was referring to this comment

This makes me infer he thinks the Challenger is so much more advanced. Especially with his advice of just getting a GTR because it's adequate at best. Maybe it's just how I'm interpreting it, but all I'm saying is it is just as ancient. Advantage, engines. We all know that's a Nissan fail. That is the only thing that keeps it in the game against Ford and Chevy. Aside from that, the Challenger is barely adequate against the Mustang and Camaro.

FWIW, I inferred that he was comparing the advancements in the Challenger to the advancements in the Z over the past 9 years. For which there is no comparison. The Z seems like Nissan's red-headed step child at this point.

I'd also like to note that I'm not trying to talk **** about the Challenger, just being real as it's just as dated as a Z.

I do think it's a boat, but so does the rest of the world. There's a guy I talk to regularly at C&C that has an SRT8 with coilovers and a bunch of other suspension mods, intake and cat back and I think the car is great! Sounds wonderful

:tup: two different opinions on the same statement.

What's shall we discuss next? Trump? :D

I don't know about dated. Dodge has put far more into the Challenger than Nissan has to the Z. If you compare a 2009 Z and 2009 Challenger and then compare the 2017 models, the comparison are much closer now than before.

I should point out I'm not trying to defend Dodge by any means. I know a Jeep SRT8 that threw a rod with less than 2K miles on the car, and the dealership tried to deny warranty coverage :icon14:

It's definitely been updated, I agree. I'm my opinion, compared to the current Mustang and Camaro, the Challenger, even with it's updates is like a grandpa on steroids. Where as the other two are like college bros pumping supplements/proteins. One can still kick your *** with just brute force. The others are agile, young and have other tricks.

I don't really care really since my Z is for sale and I'm not a fan of any of the three said cars. Really I'm just bored and kicking up dust until my flight this afternoon :D

Yikes. Normal driving or was this on a track?

His wife was literally stopped at a light in town when it happened :wtf2:

:eek:

I'd be pissed! I really like the SRT8 Jeep.

Oh he was livid. But once he started explaining the story that it was his wife's DD and she drives like a grandma and it happened while STOPPED, they pretty much had no response.

Speaking of the GC SRT8, I "raced" a first gen one the other day against my 2016 Nismo. We were side by side at the lights. When they went green, we both started off civilly.. then we looked at each other and decided to punch it. We were probably rolling at 8-10mph and then both hit the throttle. I was literally side by side with him for the remainder of 1st, all of 2nd and a little into 3rd when we both let off. Side by side the whole time.

470hp sounds cool... until you realize it's moving 5000 pounds.