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rednek01 10-13-2009 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by chief_Roka (Post 234558)
Huh... they use more lightweight materials cuz safety regs are far less stringent. Cars are lighter. I'm not attacking him. I'm just stating facts. Maybe if he wasn't tellin me to slap people in the face n make racial (guido comments it wouldn't come out the way it did. And it did. And wat? Wats ur point? I'm just beon real. Speak with respevct n u will be respected. Talk down to people n u will get the same in return. I'm not attacking him. I'm just giving back what I'm getting.
Where did he go racial? I see that no where in the slap yourself post... Secondly please please please tell me you are really joking about a Japanese version that is lighter because it uses more light weight materials. Even if (which I dont know the regulations in japan) they are less stringent on safety and lets say they dont require the airbags and such you are talking 30-50 lbs at most of removed safety equipment. and that is saying the even bother to remove it (which I also highly doubt) but I can tell you for sure that they do not manufacture separate parts that are made of carbon fiber or titanium and are lighter. Please tell me you arent that ignorant.

phelan 10-13-2009 10:38 AM
:confused:

370Zsteve 10-13-2009 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 234569)
First, please use full words and sentences, makes your arguments a bit better and easier for others.
Second, you come in here stating "facts" that Nissan Japan cars using lighter material but with no links to real facts. Provide some, current, data on this and we will believe it but until then..well you see what happens.
:iagree:

Trips 10-13-2009 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by TX_370 (Post 234536)
:rofl2: :drama:
pass the popcorn please!

bullitt5897 10-13-2009 10:44 AM
Hey Maybe when I am done with my TTZ build I can have them run it lol LF-A, GTR, NSX and whatever they got verses and American modded Z34 :D Ohhh I think a 600whp Z could do some damage hehehe

rednek01 10-13-2009 10:44 AM
and just so you dont think I am being racist or putting you down

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phelan 10-13-2009 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 234569)
First, please use full words and sentences, makes your arguments a bit better and easier for others.
Second, you come in here stating "facts" that Nissan Japan cars using lighter material but with no links to real facts. Provide some, current, data on this and we will believe it but until then..well you see what happens.
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Originally Posted by chief_Roka (Post 234558)
Huh...they use more lightweight materials because safety regulations in Japan are far less stringent, therefore their cars are lighter. I'm not attacking him, I'm just stating facts. Maybe if he wasn't telling me to slap people in the face and make racial comments it wouldn't have come out the way it did, but what's your point? I'm just being real. Speak with respect and you will be respected, talk down to people and expect the same. I'm not attacking him, I'm just giving back what I've received.
^fix'd per theDreamer request :p course I had no idea how to recover that last section...hard to grammar correct "being real", because y'know, it's gangsta and all that



BTW, numbers for the JDM that I found have the weights ranging from 3,262 lbs to 3,373 lbs. In fact, this website (y“ŽY VŒ^ ƒtƒFƒAƒŒƒfƒBZ VŽԏ•z40”N–‚NEW Z‚́u‘–‚v‚̐i‰‚“‰‚‚I 6‘– VŒ^uƒtƒFƒAƒŒƒfƒBZvAƒfƒrƒ…[I :: CORISM) has it at 3351 lbs. I do expect that reported weight to be heavier than what it currently is, considering the article was in 12/2008, so since then there has been some small weight shaving and refinement of the vehicle.

Compare that to US spec: 3,232 to 3,300 for base 370Z to Nismo 370Z, respectively, I think it's within 'noise'. That is, the weights are comparatively equal, and your argument just went out the door.

theDreamer 10-13-2009 10:48 AM
Phelan, why are you using logic, that is not how you win on the internet. :p

chief_Roka 10-13-2009 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 234569)
First, please use full words and sentences, makes your arguments a bit better and easier for others.
Second, you come in here stating "facts" that Nissan Japan cars using lighter material but with no links to real facts. Provide some, current, data on this and we will believe it but until then..well you see what happens.
Dude, do u not read your enthusiast mags? Some of this stuff is just known facts. That come across often in many atricles. Especially if u r reading import tuner, project car etc.
I don't have an article off hand but I guarantee u research it online n u will find it. They are allowed to use more carbon fiber in production cars than we are. We have the toughest safety standards for cars in the whole world. And this is why our cars keep gaining weight.
Do I have to find a link for that too for you? Titanium is expensive metal. Nissan would have to price the Z more than americans are willing to pay so its not used here. Its not used in abundance in japan either but it is widely used in japans aftermarket. Something we can't say here either. We just don't hardly produce any titanium aftermarket parts.
They are more serious over there about tuning. Just keepin it real. Americans can't fathom a 70k Z. But in europe and asia. That's what they pay. So they get more.

TX_370 10-13-2009 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by phelan (Post 234602)
Compare that to US spec: 3,232 to 3,300 for base 370Z to Nismo 370Z, respectively, I think it's within 'noise'. That is, the weights are comparatively equal, and your argument just went out the door.
I have spent the last 20 minutes searching for Japanese motor vehicle safety regulations with any relation to what was stated and havent found anything... except that they are some of the most strict in the world.

370Zsteve 10-13-2009 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by chief_Roka (Post 234607)
Americans can't fathom a 70k Z. But in europe and asia. That's what they pay. So they get more.
Somebody never heard of the V.A.T. :icon14:

Trips 10-13-2009 10:52 AM
:drama: Some soda anyone?

370Zsteve 10-13-2009 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Triple's (Post 234614)
:drama: Some soda anyone?
Jolt Cola please!

phelan 10-13-2009 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by chief_Roka (Post 234607)
Dude, do u not read your enthusiast mags? Some of this stuff is just known facts. That come across often in many atricles. Especially if u r reading import tuner, project car etc.
I don't have an article off hand but I guarantee u research it online n u will find it. They are allowed to use more carbon fiber in production cars than we are. We have the toughest safety standards for cars in the whole world. And this is why our cars keep gaining weight.
Do I have to find a link for that too for you? Titanium is expensive metal. Nissan would have to price the Z more than americans are willing to pay so its not used here. Its not used in abundance in japan either but it is widely used in japans aftermarket. Something we can't say here either. We just don't hardly produce any titanium aftermarket parts.
They are more serious over there about tuning. Just keepin it real. Americans can't fathom a 70k Z. But in europe and asia. That's what they pay. So they get more.
What do AMERICAN magazines have anything to do about JDM curb weight?? Ever notice that all the cars in those mags are already modified, and most have some weight shaved off by a 3rd party, most of the time the owner? It's not like the manufacturer went "OMG IMPORT TUNER MUST MAKE SUPAR SPESHUL CARBON FIBER BODEE"

"More serious over there about tuning". Uh...last I checked we were pretty damn serious ourselves. Also last I checked (this is a friend's opinion), but the economy has also tanked Japan's ability/interest in tuning.

I'm just "keepin' it real" man. Whatever the **** that means.

theDreamer 10-13-2009 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by chief_Roka (Post 234607)
Dude, do u not read your enthusiast mags? Some of this stuff is just known facts. That come across often in many atricles. Especially if u r reading import tuner, project car etc.
I don't have an article off hand but I guarantee u research it online n u will find it. They are allowed to use more carbon fiber in production cars than we are. We have the toughest safety standards for cars in the whole world. And this is why our cars keep gaining weight.
Do I have to find a link for that too for you? Titanium is expensive metal. Nissan would have to price the Z more than americans are willing to pay so its not used here. Its not used in abundance in japan either but it is widely used in japans aftermarket. Something we can't say here either. We just don't hardly produce any titanium aftermarket parts.
They are more serious over there about tuning. Just keepin it real. Americans can't fathom a 70k Z. But in europe and asia. That's what they pay. So they get more.
Quoting this so later you know just how wrong you are.


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