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ubs234 09-17-2013 11:43 PM

Does the Nismo 370z handle better than the 370z sport package?
 
I know hp and torque are increased as well as bigger wheels and wider tires and an upgraded suspension, but i feel since it is a 100lbs heavier it might be the same. What do you think?

tjlazer 09-17-2013 11:49 PM

Look what I found for you ;)

122554 09-18-2013 12:11 AM

Yes

Cell 09-18-2013 12:59 AM

no

Kingbaby 09-18-2013 01:21 AM

Maybe

frost 09-18-2013 01:21 AM

dunno

ubs234 09-18-2013 03:45 AM

Well the reason I ask is because Motortrend tested both cars out and of course the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are faster in the NISMO, but the 370z sports package is faster around the figure eight. 24.7 for the sports package and 25.1 for the Nismo. So it didn't make any sense to me. Since the Nismo has a stiffer suspension it should handle better.

DEpointfive0 09-18-2013 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ubs234 (Post 2493140)
Well the reason I ask is because Motortrend tested both cars out and of course the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are faster in the NISMO, but the 370z sports package is faster around the figure eight. 24.7 for the sports package and 25.1 for the Nismo. So it didn't make any sense to me. Since the Nismo has a stiffer suspension it should handle better.

SHOULD, problem is that stiffer isn't always better, if its too stiff and there isn't enough give to put the tires on the road, you get less grip and slower times. That's why it is slower around a track (there have been a few track tests)

Btw, search and you shall find

DR_ 09-18-2013 08:44 AM

IMO the Potenzas are good when new and probably helped the sport in that test. With the same tires the Nismo should win.

jcosta79 09-18-2013 09:36 AM

The NISMO handles better than any other car on the planet...


that I currently own.

sillyoldtayo 09-18-2013 10:00 AM

when I upgraded to BFG's I noticed a pretty decent change in traction around corners....nothing worthwhile to add haha

BeemaaZ 09-18-2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 122554 (Post 2492979)
Yes

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Originally Posted by Cell (Post 2493040)
no

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Originally Posted by Kingbaby (Post 2493058)
Maybe

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 2493060)
dunno

:bowrofl: shoulda coulda woulda :roflpuke2:

Cmike2780 09-18-2013 12:54 PM

Let's not kid ourselves. It's virtually the same car.

jcosta79 09-18-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 2493906)
Let's not kid ourselves. It's virtually the same car.

Sounds like a typical non-Nismo owner. :argue:

:stirthepot:

It's the same car.

Cmike2780 09-18-2013 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79 (Post 2493937)
Sounds like a typical non-Nismo owner. :argue:

:stirthepot:

It's the same car.

Sounds like a typical Nismo owner response. Nothing like a few plastic badges to make someone feel elite I suppose...:stirthepot:

ohohoh123456 09-18-2013 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 2494257)
Sounds like a typical Nismo owner response. Nothing like a few plastic badges to make someone feel elite I suppose...:stirthepot:

I would think after a tune NISMO handles better. But I didn't give much of a try on other versions so I can't give much intuition. I was attracted by the looking of NISMO immediately walked into the dealership (except those LED light stripes! I want those!) The limited production tag was an extra for me cuz I had no idea regard that.

chii370 09-18-2013 05:51 PM

it does. those times were on willow springs. its bumpy as a peanut turd there, on a smooth track with some "NOT POS YOKO" tires on it you might quickly notice its a setup meant to run soft track tires and will perform better. And..... the 1/4 time is common sense, cars with a stiff rear cant hook, especially with low pro tires. But if you learn to DRIVE the car, which these reviewers have not as they have it for a day...... you learn to launch it. Ive raced 5 stock for stock sports and bases against my nismo and I havent lost yet in the 1/4. Im no god driver ether, im claiming its 100% car not driver. This is my second nismo. I owned a base first, then a sport, then an 09 red nismo, now the 13. yes it handles better....... but omfg be warned, its the worlds most uncomfortable car EVER on normal roads. if you ran over some change on the road, you could tell if its a quarter or a nickle.

Kingbaby 09-18-2013 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chii370 (Post 2494494)
....... but omfg be warned, its the worlds most uncomfortable car EVER on normal roads. if you ran over some change on the road, you could tell if its a quarter or a nickle.

man speaks the truth...after sway bars and stiffer coilovers I'm able to tell the difference between nickle or a dime


+1 to the other comment of stiffer doesn't mean faster...

ohohoh123456 09-18-2013 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingbaby (Post 2494507)
man speaks the truth...after sway bars and stiffer coilovers I'm able to tell the difference between nickle or a dime


+1 to the other comment of stiffer doesn't mean faster...

Just to make sure did you take the spacers out?

and I agree NISMOs are quite bumpy on road. I hope all sports cars feel this way.

DEpointfive0 09-18-2013 06:31 PM

:icon18::bowrofl::icon18:

Looks like you guys have never driven in an ISF. The ISF is worse, but weird worse, it'll shake the shít out of you, but it won't actually hurt your back/it's still comfortable somehow (I have chronic back pain and I broke my àssbone, so I think I know back/àss pain, and I can sit and drive an ISF for hours on end, like my Touring 370Z, but Nismos and base Z's, can't do it for long)

DEpointfive0 09-18-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ohohoh123456 (Post 2494546)
Just to make sure did you take the spacers out?

and I agree NISMOs are quite bumpy on road. I hope all sports cars feel this way.

The M3 is both comfortable and accurate when driving. Proving that bumpy isn't always needed (oh, and I would never own a Nazi car, don't hate them exactly, but I hate them)

ubs234 09-18-2013 07:04 PM

All I want to know is does the 370z Nismo handle better and have more lateral g's.

Baer383 09-18-2013 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2493158)
problem is that stiffer isn't always better,


OOHHHHH you are so wrong,:excited:this isn't the penthouse forum.

chii370 09-18-2013 09:22 PM

putting the same non stock soft race tires on a sport and a nismo, I would say the nismo would probably pull more lateral, but not a lot. it IS the same chassis after all. downforce would also play in.

Elan 09-19-2013 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 2494257)
Sounds like a typical Nismo owner response. Nothing like a few plastic badges to make someone feel elite I suppose...:stirthepot:

Umm actually its the massive wing on the back that makes us feel elite. This is common knowledge! :tup:

Tigger 09-20-2013 02:11 PM

ok. Stupid comment/question incoming. Since everything on the Nismo is so firm, why not swap out shocks/struts with the sport model ones? There are a couple of braces that could very well be removed as well that would allow a bit more roll that could quite possibly let you have the best of both worlds. Hit me if I'm wrong. Or hit me if you are offended at the thought. I might even do it for you. Nevermind.

DEpointfive0 09-20-2013 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigger (Post 2497488)
ok. Stupid comment/question incoming. Since everything on the Nismo is so firm, why not swap out shocks/struts with the sport model ones? There are a couple of braces that could very well be removed as well that would allow a bit more roll that could quite possibly let you have the best of both worlds. Hit me if I'm wrong. Or hit me if you are offended at the thought. I might even do it for you. Nevermind.

It depends the type of road/track, smooth, yeah sure, Nismo, any bumps, base/sport. A lot of the Nismo crew changes their springs out at least

chii370 09-20-2013 04:46 PM

yeah thats not uncommon at all from what I hear. If you dont track your car all the time its actually not a bad idea to toss in the touring suspension lol. I would but the car sees track time a decent bit.

Tigger 09-20-2013 07:42 PM

Well, seeing as how I'm planning on possibly picking up a Nismo in the near term I think I may actually get the sport suspension parts and mate them with the swift springs I still have in the closet. I think it would round everything out nicely for a DD and will take the track just fine as well.

DEpointfive0 09-20-2013 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigger (Post 2498006)
Well, seeing as how I'm planning on possibly picking up a Nismo in the near term I think I may actually get the sport suspension parts and mate them with the swift springs I still have in the closet. I think it would round everything out nicely for a DD and will take the track just fine as well.

No, you want the Nismo struts and the Swift springs



The Nismo struts are great

Tigger 09-20-2013 09:03 PM

Really?! I thought that was the part that was causing the ride to be so... bumpy. lol. I saw some others had swifts on nismo struts but I think that was geared more for track. I even bought a set of nismo struts that I was going to put on my Z along with the swifts. Just decided to hold off. Well then. Guess it might be good news for me since I may just have a spare set of parts laying around. They are from a '12 model year though. Weren't there improvements/refinements for that year? Think these would be worth swapping out at the same time with the swifts since I'm already going to be in there?

ubs234 09-20-2013 09:27 PM

Are Swift springs better than the Nismo springs? Well it increase handling?

pokeyl 09-20-2013 10:13 PM

How many NISMO owners keep the stock springs/dampers? I changed mine the week I bought the car! HKS hypermax and someday I will try the BC-ER's I have sitting at home. I just have not had time yet.

Buy what you want!

Change what you don't like

Enjoy and don't worry about numbers. Someone is always better, faster or something... Easy

chii370 09-20-2013 10:25 PM

honestly? the ones that come on the nismo are already pretty bad *** and it has several adjustable suspension parts. Unless your some kind of track guru or aspiring amature/future professional race car driver there is absolutely 100% ZERO reason to quote "upgrade" (slight) to any other setup. the only reason I can see is....... just to brag to other people what suspension you have. Dont get it unless you need it, and in this case you really dont, especially if all you do is daily drive the car. Even on big power Z's you only need to fiddle with engine internals, clutch, and POSSIBLY getting rid of that useless viscous rear LSD. no one in there right mind would say "boy I wish my nismo had a stiffer suspension" unless like i said..... bragging rights.

Rusty 09-21-2013 05:47 AM

If you are going to change the struts and springs. Go with the Swift/Koni set-up. ;) Think it might be the best bang per-buck.

cv129 09-21-2013 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by chii370 (Post 2498178)
honestly? the ones that come on the nismo are already pretty bad *** and it has several adjustable suspension parts. Unless your some kind of track guru or aspiring amature/future professional race car driver there is absolutely 100% ZERO reason to quote "upgrade" (slight) to any other setup. the only reason I can see is....... just to brag to other people what suspension you have. Dont get it unless you need it, and in this case you really dont, especially if all you do is daily drive the car. Even on big power Z's you only need to fiddle with engine internals, clutch, and POSSIBLY getting rid of that useless viscous rear LSD. no one in there right mind would say "boy I wish my nismo had a stiffer suspension" unless like i said..... bragging rights.

Don't think any of us really "need" a Z here, so we may as well all drive Prius? Lol.

chii370 09-21-2013 11:59 AM

i was waiting for someone to make that between the lines comment, actually thought of the one you just said in my head as I was typing my response. not needing a specific part of the car doesnt nullify having the car in the first place. In this case having a very stiff race suspension actually makes the car WORSE in every single aspect except one. racing it. and if your not going to race it, you dont NEED it because your in fact making your car worse. I personally dont like feeling like my spine is bolted to the chassis, have to creep over speed bumps sideways at .00001 mph "same for RR tracks" and have a misserable headache from bouncing around in the car after a 2 hour drive. I had those retarded ideas when I was 16, and have since grown out of it.

One could argue that my exhaust wasnt "needed" well no, ima squash that stupid comment before it starts. I made the car BETTER than it was before because it sounded like a prius. And there are no negatives to it, it in no way made the car worse than it was before no matter what im doing with it. NEED when i said it didnt imply a necessity to life as you literally took it, it was meant in the context of usefulness and pros/cons.

cv129 09-21-2013 03:40 PM

^i know what you meant, just couldn't resist, haha my bad

chii370 09-22-2013 12:11 PM

mean..... you know im easy to get spun up lol:icon14:

Cell 09-22-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chii370 (Post 2494494)
it does. those times were on willow springs. its bumpy as a peanut turd there, on a smooth track with some "NOT POS YOKO" tires on it you might quickly notice its a setup meant to run soft track tires and will perform better. And..... the 1/4 time is common sense, cars with a stiff rear cant hook, especially with low pro tires. But if you learn to DRIVE the car, which these reviewers have not as they have it for a day...... you learn to launch it. Ive raced 5 stock for stock sports and bases against my nismo and I havent lost yet in the 1/4. Im no god driver ether, im claiming its 100% car not driver. This is my second nismo. I owned a base first, then a sport, then an 09 red nismo, now the 13. yes it handles better....... but omfg be warned, its the worlds most uncomfortable car EVER on normal roads. if you ran over some change on the road, you could tell if its a quarter or a nickle.

Believe it or not, even though the nismo has some really stiff suspension, it really isn't that bad compared to my veloster.

My veloster going over the same bump feels like im falling off a cliff or something. At speeds, the nismo at least rebounds a lot better than the veloster. Veloster at speed going over a bump makes it lose traction and lose control.

The Veloster is my daily and when I jump into the Z, it feels like a huge upgrade. LOL


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