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Armhunter 05-04-2013 08:17 PM

Nismo Clutch
 
Anyone have their clutch fail in just 20k miles?

I took my car in for an oil change. Everything seemed fine. I started to leave and the foot pedal for the clutch went all the way to the floor and wouldnt return. After about 0.5 miles I made a u turn to head back to Nissan. Didnt make it far.. the clutch pedal stopped working all together.

They said might be the master or slave cylinder.

Cant believe that it went out that quickly..:mad:

modme 05-04-2013 08:39 PM

No, never has happened to anyone. No slave cylinders has ever failed on a 370z or G37. A simple search will not find any results.

MJB 05-04-2013 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Armhunter (Post 2300687)
Anyone have their clutch fail in just 20k miles?

I took my car in for an oil change. Everything seemed fine. I started to leave and the foot pedal for the clutch went all the way to the floor and wouldnt return. After about 0.5 miles I made a u turn to head back to Nissan. Didnt make it far.. the clutch pedal stopped working all together.

They said might be the master or slave cylinder.

Cant believe that it went out that quickly..:mad:

Not unheard of for our cars. The slave cylinder is a poor design, cheaply made plastic POS. You should upgrade to the Zspeed slave cylinder while the dealership has your trans pulled.

diddy535 05-04-2013 08:40 PM

Unfortunately common.

http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...s-2-print.html

FWIW a lot of people go with an aftermarket one since oem is so prone to failures.

Armhunter 05-04-2013 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by modme (Post 2300733)
No, never has happened to anyone. No slave cylinders has ever failed on a 370z or G37. A simple search will not find any results.

you are so awesome!! wish I could be like you..

I meant so freaking early!!! 20k miles to me is still new.

Gauge 05-04-2013 10:21 PM

If you drove it hard this is not surprising.

Rusty 05-04-2013 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mjb (Post 2300734)
not unheard of for our cars. The slave cylinder is a poor design, cheaply made plastic pos. you should upgrade to the zspeed slave cylinder while the dealership has your trans pulled.

2x! ;)

Caustic 05-04-2013 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Armhunter (Post 2300687)
Anyone have their clutch fail in just 20k miles?

I took my car in for an oil change. Everything seemed fine. I started to leave and the foot pedal for the clutch went all the way to the floor and wouldnt return. After about 0.5 miles I made a u turn to head back to Nissan. Didnt make it far.. the clutch pedal stopped working all together.

They said might be the master or slave cylinder.

Cant believe that it went out that quickly..:mad:

Just to confirm, this is on a 2012 Nismo?

nobdy_#608 05-05-2013 02:21 AM

Mine failed last week slave and master cylinder internal failure warranty covered it and I'm get a light weight fly wheel installed I get the car back Monday I have a 2012 with 18k miles

Baer383 05-05-2013 10:58 AM

You might want to have them check for a leaking rear main seal while they are there some 12's have had problems with it,mine is 13 and the seal is leaking.

Armhunter 05-05-2013 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Caustic (Post 2300972)
Just to confirm, this is on a 2012 Nismo?

yes..

I will have them look everything over. The cool thing is, my friend is the Nissan Mechanic. He takes his time with my car. Thank you for all the replies... The next time it goes out, i am going to replace the OEM parts..

I might even get a better clutch.. I also want better brakes.. i already have warped rotors.

And No, I dont drive it hard. I run the Canyon over here which has a bunch of turns, but I usually leave it in 3rd the whole way..

DEpointfive0 05-05-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Armhunter (Post 2301276)
yes..

I will have them look everything over. The cool thing is, my friend is the Nissan Mechanic. He takes his time with my car. Thank you for all the replies... The next time it goes out, i am going to replace the OEM parts..

I might even get a better clutch.. I also want better brakes.. i already have warped rotors.

And No, I dont drive it hard. I run the Canyon over here which has a bunch of turns, but I usually leave it in 3rd the whole way..

OP, your problem is common.


And... That's the definition of driving it hard, LOL!

Armhunter 05-05-2013 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2301417)
OP, your problem is common.


And... That's the definition of driving it hard, LOL!

Well, I had a Mitsubishi Eclipse 1999 GST that I drove just has hard and never had a problem until 130k miles.

DEpointfive0 05-05-2013 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Armhunter (Post 2301776)
Well, I had a Mitsubishi Eclipse 1999 GST that I drove just has hard and never had a problem until 130k miles.

Lol, the manual's number one issue is that CSC, no rhyme or reason. But I wouldn't go OEM on it

fuct 05-06-2013 08:42 AM

my CSC broke at 24k miles. sound s exactly like your problem OP.

MJB 05-08-2013 09:56 PM

Any updates OP?

chii370 05-09-2013 09:31 AM

mine on the 09 failed at about 39k miles. im not making the same mistake with the 13 nismo its getting an aftermarket CSC. have a nagging feeling the JDM cars probably dont have this problem lol :P always been curious why there are so MANY differences between them. not only the JDM mods they then slowly trickle out to the american public. thats about 1/3 of the total differences between the cars. my fiance is japanese, and i got to inspect a 2012 nismo in japan........ they get TONS of **** we dont, including factory leather nismo seats and stuff. so i wouldnt doubt for a second things like the slave cylinder have been replaces with cheap **** for the american car to save money. since the japanese car has a different rear dif, and clutch as well. which btw u can buy for an asston of money.

theDreamer 05-09-2013 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by chii370 (Post 2307782)
mine on the 09 failed at about 39k miles. im not making the same mistake with the 13 nismo its getting an aftermarket CSC. have a nagging feeling the JDM cars probably dont have this problem lol :P always been curious why there are so MANY differences between them. not only the JDM mods they then slowly trickle out to the american public. thats about 1/3 of the total differences between the cars. my fiance is japanese, and i got to inspect a 2012 nismo in japan........ they get TONS of **** we dont, including factory leather nismo seats and stuff. so i wouldnt doubt for a second things like the slave cylinder have been replaces with cheap **** for the american car to save money. since the japanese car has a different rear dif, and clutch as well. which btw u can buy for an asston of money.

I highly doubt they get anything different. They just buy the parts in bulk and throw them in. Yes, in Japan you have more options to put into a Z in each model but the parts are bid out to 3rd parties and they are not going to run different ones per region like that.

Also, would like to see more details on how they get a different cluch and such from factory. Now they do have access to aftermarket Nismo parts more than we do, is that what you are referring to?

chii370 05-09-2013 10:23 AM

just going by what i saw and heard from the owner. he claimed it was a stock factory nismo. i dont have documentation or proof so it is what it is. but supposedly they have a clutch type rear dif, similar to the GT pro we can buy from nismo for like..... 3k+ the leather seats and upholstery, the SAT NAV!!! in a nismo, with the boss system "mind you this was a 2012 model" we didnt get the boss till 13, and still no satnav. rear wiper like a 350z "ugly" different clutch, not sure if its single or dual. several frame supports, and from what he said, some suspension differences. not sure on exact details dude, wish i did. he didnt seem the type to really know **** about cars, so obviously he was just rattling this stuff off his memory from the spec sheet he probably memorized to feel like he knew something about his own car. he was a mid life crisis Z driver lol. which leads me to believe what he told me is TRUE for 2 reasons. first, didnt strike me as knowledgeable enough to modify a car so if it WAS different.... the factory supplied it. and second, not knowing makes it less likely he would even know those parts existed in the first place to "pretend" you have on your car.

i for one would like some formal documentation like a side by side comparison, part for part. american v japanese. I honestly disagree with you, its WELL known that several vehicles from almost EVERY japanese manufacture have subtle to extreme differences compared to their american counterparts. trust me man, im in denial mode too but is it really that far fetched that the Z is one of those cars? everyone who is an owner of something wants to believe they didnt pay more for less than the same thing somewhere else. most of those parts that we can BUY for our nismo come on theirs, so who is to say there arent things we CANT buy that they have? because there is. only thing i can tell you is, learn to speak japanese, go there, find out for yourself. otherwise your just pulling your knowledge base from the same location every other american Z owner does. the internet, magazines, and tv. we all get the same info.

OR this guy was just lying. unfortunately there wasnt 10 other 2012 japanese nismos next to each other with their respective owners, so i couldnt run a comparison test lol

theDreamer 05-09-2013 10:30 AM

I don't really care what extra stuff they get, it would be like Ford holding back the Mustang in other countries so the US version is different & unique.
The options have been known for years, Japan owners can add leather, nav, bluetooth, etc. to any model as an option while we get packaged versions. It is easier since they have to build them, ship them and then sell them here so reduces overhead.

I would imagine if the guy got anything special it was a Nismo upgrade they offer that is tough to get here other than sourcing it through certain vendors. I still doubt they make the car any different, remember the Z is an assembly line car that is built in bulk with Nissan working with 3rd parties to supply parts. It would expensive to have them supply one clutch for the US and another for Japan and a horrible business move. Now for the GT-R I could see them doing thing different because the car is more hand built and parts are a bit more custom made per each car.

chii370 05-09-2013 10:36 AM

all nismo Z's are assembled in japan and shipped here but regular 370z are NOT. so no, it would be localized and not an "overly expensive" move at all.

also, we have all the same options for all the cars we sell overseas. but dont have all the models available. pretty much the only country that does that. everyone else reserves the best for themselves, that DOES happen actually.

Chuck33079 05-09-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chii370 (Post 2307974)
all nismo Z's are assembled in japan and shipped here but regular 370z are NOT.

Are you sure? I was under the impression they all came from Japan.

Chuck33079 05-09-2013 11:06 AM

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...-assembly.html

Here we go. Built in Japan.

theDreamer 05-09-2013 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by chii370 (Post 2307974)
all nismo Z's are assembled in japan and shipped here but regular 370z are NOT. so no, it would be localized and not an "overly expensive" move at all.

also, we have all the same options for all the cars we sell overseas. but dont have all the models available. pretty much the only country that does that. everyone else reserves the best for themselves, that DOES happen actually.

:facepalm:

All Nissan Z are built in Japan and shipped over, so yes it would be expensive, remember Nissan works on economics of scale with the Z so one item change in the assembly line can be a huge cost.

theDreamer 05-09-2013 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2308071)

I don't think he really understands what he is talking about.
Probably just heard some random guy talking and took it as facts.

chii370 05-09-2013 11:10 AM

99.9% sure, give me a few to find some reputable backup on that statement. not saying i cant be wrong on this, but that was what i had always heard. since nismo is only in japan, we have nissan motorsports america, but they dont assemble cars lol. at the very LEAST the nismos are not on the same assembly line in the same location. but im pretty sure some, if not all the american 370z's "non nismo" are ASSEMBLED in the us. they can still be manufactured in japan lol, two different things.

Chuck33079 05-09-2013 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by chii370 (Post 2308089)
but im pretty sure some, if not all the american 370z's "non nismo" are ASSEMBLED in the us. they can still be manufactured in japan lol, two different things.

Nope. Built in Japan.

theDreamer 05-09-2013 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by chii370 (Post 2308089)
99.9% sure, give me a few to find some reputable backup on that statement. not saying i cant be wrong on this, but that was what i had always heard. since nismo is only in japan, we have nissan motorsports america, but they dont assemble cars lol. at the very LEAST the nismos are not on the same assembly line in the same location. but im pretty sure some, if not all the american 370z's "non nismo" are ASSEMBLED in the us. they can still be manufactured in japan lol, two different things.

Nope, they are built & assembled in Japan. The only thing done in the US is they add items like the kickplates or splash guards.

chii370 05-09-2013 11:19 AM

ah, i was mistaken on that one then. disregard. but the nismos are not assembled on the same line though right? im not sure WHERE i heard/read/watched that but it wasnt something i was made aware of only once....... am i wrong about that too?

Chuck33079 05-09-2013 11:21 AM

I would have bought the **** out of a Nismo with touring+nav if they offered it here.

chii370 05-09-2013 11:33 AM

IKR? one thing i have to say though, the leather seats are not as nice as i would have hoped. they still have red stitching and everything. but the cool colored nismo embroidery we have is just a leather brand on the JDM nismo. you can barely even see that it says nismo. but still........ LEATHER. and the satnav looked damn nice instead of that dumb *** cubby for like.... sun glasses or a wallet lol. thats about all that fits.

Chuck33079 05-09-2013 11:35 AM

I had to choose between either leather+nav or Nismo. The adult in me won that argument. I'd have happily paid the extra for a Nismo with all of the creature comforts.

chii370 05-09-2013 12:39 PM

well lets start a petition against ALL OF JAPAN. tell them that, maybe they havent gotten the idea that the nismo, sti, evo and all other japanese "elite sport" versions of their cars are already targeted at a specific audience as it is, so i see no logical reason at all that all the versions should be BETTER in japan than in the US. as you said, i myself as well would happily pay the premium for a premium product. they always reserve the cool versions of everything for themselves, like versions of the NSX, the STI spec A and C, the automatic NISMO, just to name a few that are well known. why? makes no sense. if they want a hennesey SS camaro they can ******* BUY ONE. so why cant i have an STI 400R or a spec C? americans cant afford it? not worthy?

hell even the 380rs 350z was available in a limited run of cars there, and was only 48k american dollars. im sure they will make an RS nismo 370 sooner or later available only to the japanese market. WHY, my gut tells me more americans would buy them than japanese. my fiance is japanese, and she says that most japanese try NOT to own a japanese car if they can help it. if they can afford it, they buy mostly european cars. even her family drives all BMW's.

Chuck33079 05-09-2013 12:43 PM

It's all based on sales. The Z doesn't sell very well at all. We should be happy enough we get the Nismo at all. I wish that weren't the case, but it is. BTW, the STi Spec C in 2004 was very similar to the USDM 2004 STi minus an awesome set of Recaros and wheels. It's the S204(5,6,7) we should be petitioning for.

theDreamer 05-09-2013 12:48 PM

It goes back to the cost again, it might not be expensive to sell per the price you got, but there is no profit.
Nissan needs to meet a certain margin to sell a car, especially the Z, to produce certain things. Making a special edition for Japan is cheap because they built it and roll it down the street. For the US, they build, ship, have to promote/market. Also, Americans are power hungry, and many JDM specialty editions do not fit this. They add wheels, seats, suspension tweaks, etc. but never touch the power; Americans look at it will instantly dismiss it.

chii370 05-09-2013 12:52 PM

yeah they have vids of most of the japanese cars v european cars on youtube all the time. dont remember what its called. but the spec c and S204 SPANK THE **** out of the poor nismo. but a regular american 2013 sti v 2013 nismo would really be pretty damn close. sales, i agree are the problem. but answer this...... why cant i buy one? why cant i just BUY one from japan and ship it here? but they can buy whatever the **** they want from every country, USA included and ship it there. hell, last time i was there i saw a 2013 GT 500 super snake. and thats both ford, and a 3rd party! and they can buy the damn things! wtf. land of the free huh?

theDreamer 05-09-2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chii370 (Post 2308382)
yeah they have vids of most of the japanese cars v european cars on youtube all the time. dont remember what its called. but the spec c and S204 SPANK THE **** out of the poor nismo. but a regular american 2013 sti v 2013 nismo would really be pretty damn close. sales, i agree are the problem. but answer this...... why cant i buy one? why cant i just BUY one from japan and ship it here? but they can buy whatever the **** they want from every country, USA included and ship it there. hell, last time i was there i saw a 2013 GT 500 super snake. and thats both ford, and a 3rd party! and they can buy the damn things! wtf. land of the free huh?

Government regulations, the US is very strict on it meeting certain standards. So buying X car and bringing it here will get it taken away (look at the R33/34 stories).
Also, that GT500 SS is not sold by Ford or Shelby in Japan and probably even brought in under the radar.

chii370 05-09-2013 01:04 PM

good, dont feel so bad about it now. regulations of what? emissions? crash test ratings? the same car with more HP isnt going to change the crash test of the car. emissions can be fixed in 15 minutes. and ive heard there are random things like.... plexiglass rear windshields and such on japanese cars to reduce weight. well yet again, something most would be willing to change to meet these invisible unjustified regulations. sounds like it involves MONEY along the line somewhere to me.

Chuck33079 05-09-2013 01:08 PM

That's a lot of work to sell a few more units. Enthusiasts like us are way in the minority of car buyers. With the way the Z has sold in the last year or two, I'm kinda surprised they haven't killed it off again.

theDreamer 05-09-2013 01:08 PM

And now you get it.....money.


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