Best 370z tuner location
 

Well, as im new to the virginia area....... just wanted to know from anyone who has had their car tuned with good results, who the best tuner shop is regardless of cost within a 1 hour distance of washington DC???? just put an ARK DTS on my nismo and its kinda running like *** so im pretty sure a tune is what she needs.

so no one in the entire mid atlantic region has had their car tuned? SWEET!!! I will be the only one!!!:shakes head:

I know AAM competition is in Anapolis. They do tuning but I have never been so I don't know how good they are.

from what ive gathered by researching hills garage is the place to go. AAM charges over 1k for an uprev tune, they can go **** themselves. for that I had better get a lifetime unlimited uprev license, 50 dyno pulls, and 10 mechanics working for a week on my car for the best tune thats ever been done to a car on the entire planet. ITS JUST A TUNE, why the F U C K would anyone spend roughly 1/6 of the price of the average turbo charger kit just to sit on a dyno and fiddle with a computer for a bit? what a god damn rip off!!!!! the problem is, people will happily pay it in complete ignorance.

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Because shops have to pay rent, pay benefits, maybe retirement, medical insurance, business insurance, utilities, accounting.....I guess you never owned a business. Anyhow you can go to P tuning, I had my Nismo tuned by them when I had Berk cats and Nismo R intake installed. Or go buy the Uprev tuner module and do your own tune by data logging.

I know the process of tuning, but dont know how to tune.....know what I mean? Ive wanted to buy my own for a long long time now, but every time I inquire how to do it, 90% of people just dont know, and the other 10% are reluctant to teach because they ARE the tuners that make bank from all the retards with money. No, I have never owned a business but I can tell you they do quite well for themselves. Ever look at what most of the BIG tuning company owners are driving? one has a full blown race 370, with a ugly "but expensive" porche cayane S SUV to tug it around and a brand new BMW........... yeah im an ENGINEER and I can barely afford to pay for my 370z by itself. so really? if your to blind to see that they are making BANK from the services they provide? you sir are on darwins list. rent, insurance, labor BLAH BLAH BLAH be damned.... with how many they DO they could charge HALF that amount and still make a profit, it might not be a KILLING like they make now, but it would still be a profit. Any shops thats been open for 10-15 years probably has that dyno paid off, all their tuning equipment paid off, pay their employees hourly half or less of what I make. So your driving in, having a guy plug in a laptop and sit on his big fat *** for 2-3 hours playing with numbers as you run the car on the dyno. yeah sounds really tough, got some serious hardcore labor going on there. Problem with it is, its a niche market and they know it. there is no price regulation, they can charge WHATEVER THEY WANT. If it cost 2k, or 3k people would still pay it, simply accepting that "thats just the way it is" out of shear stupidity. God forbid the same government regulations set in place to regulate prices on things like food and general products dont apply to the aftermarket tuning world. Same goes for turbo kits. Anyone stupid enough to believe they ACTUALLY cost 9k to produce overall is an idiot and just needs to look back to the past a little bit. Every car thats brand new to tuning has a initial boom of waring products, all priced to the stars. But 8-10 years down the line, those SAME products "usually bigger companies" are still produced, but all the little fanboys have moved on to the next big fad car on the market...... suddenly that turbo drops from 9k to like 2.5k or less. HMMMMMMMMM so your trying to tell me that they are still willing to produce them at a 7k loss PER KIT? wow....... its all the same **** man, tuning and parts alike there are ZERO regulations on how much they charge. They SAY MSRP on everything, thats ********, they can say whatever they want. Like tommy boy said, "I can take a **** in a box and and mark it guaranteed, but your still getting a guaranteed box of ****" they could charge you 20k for a turbo kit, and if every other turbo kit on the market follows suit..... ITS OK. Im not bashing anyone, im calling it out for what it is. does it mean anything is going to change? no, people are too stupid. Im pretty much just venting.

So what you're saying is that people that have a skill that you don't possess are charging you a ridiculously large amount of money. Sounds like almost every business on the planet. Oh, you can't perform your own heart surgery? Oh, is your AC broken? Oh, can't run those finances on your own? Oh, need a little motivation to get in the gym?

Simply put, complaining here isn't going to make your prices any cheaper. Either you do your research and find the cheapest place. Or learn how to do it yourself. Nobody is dumb for paying a price that someone suggests. ****, there's cheaper, better performing cars than the Z, but what'd you do? Bought a Z. And the Nismo at that! So don't be a hypocrite.

First post, you're saying "regardless of cost" now your thread is venting about cost lol... Good luck

I didnt buy the Z with moding it in mind. I bought it because I liked it. It just became something I wanted to do well after. Its hardly my fault the Z is the worlds most expensive car ever made to mod for absolutely no reason what so ever. I just like the car and am putting up with the ******** that comes with liking it. Regardless of cost was just to get a wider range of options and do the research of cheapest/best after I actually got some answers. Your right, complaining here wont change 5hit, and yes people ARE stupid for paying those prices. But your right, you cant be an expert at everything, but it happens im one of those people who believe in INTRINSIC VALUE. But judging by what you said, you have absolutely no idea what that concept even means. Enjoy being an eternal toolbag, blindly buying without thought. It COULD be changed, but not enough people give a 5hit.

Oh, and bought the nismo so I wouldnt really have to mod it, and exclusivity, I dont like having the same car as 10000 other people just in my state alone. But I will be the bigger man and admit that with this HP war going on right now, it makes me jealous that a complete POS mustang 5.0 can now rape my car. Im just moding the things nissan should have done right the first time, such as the toyota prius exhaust sound, and pussy *** luxury car V6 engine. hell the straight 6 in the old GTR was 10x better than this boat anchor. At least they got the looks down and handling too, sexiest car around. believe it or not, I dont actually even LIKE modding it, I would rather have a car that was right from the factory. But all the other choices are ether: to expensive, ugly as 5hit, garbage build quality. But excel at one or 2 things. This was the best all around choice for every category you can consider while buying a sports car. Im just fixing the flaws, not going all out fa6 fast and furious wanna be.

Just because you own something doesnt mean you HAVE to support, like and defend every god damn thing about it. I dont overlook flaws in something just to be a fanboy. Its a car.

LMAO. You're right! Just because you own something doesn't mean you have to support it. But like I said complaining about everything about the car you just bought is not only idiotic, but pointless. If you don't like it change it. If you can't afford it...shut up and deal with it. The simple fact that you would mention intrinsic value and then complain that "tinkering with a couple numbers" on a computer shouldn't cost so much. When those numbers on that computer they're tinkering on could completely scrap that Nismo you bought if done incorrectly blows my mind. You're absolutely right that it shouldn't cost 2k. But if they're charging 2k in your area, and you can't do it yourself, either you pay 2k or you STOP COMPLAINING!

You were also right in stating that if enough people want to make a change then it can happen. But complaining isn't going to get anyone on your side. You're not putting up with ********, you're ranting and venting to people who can't change it for you. How about instead of name calling and whatever other juvenile tactic you resort to. You come up with a legit business plan or idea to help your cause.

Back to intrinsic value...you bought the Nismo? Ehhh... Ok man. I guess exclusivity made up for the extra hundreds or thousands you overpaid. But once again, that's just my opinion.

meh, I guess your right. fair enough, it is still just an opinion after all right? I mean, it doesnt really matter if im right or not. I am only one person, what could I possibly do, or hope to do to change anything that seems unjust. Boy I wish we had some kind of big community website dedicated to one specific cause where everyone who owns something could go to, share ideas and support one another and make changes in the community. I KNOW! we can make it a car website! about nissan 370z! how about....... the370z.com? that sound good? im in, if anyone else likes that idea. that way we could stand up as a community, together as the main consumer of products the companies are selling NEED to cater to and possibly make a difference. oh wait........

See? You came up with that all on your own. Now after you finish your vegetables you can have some dessert.

that actually made me laugh, not mad anymore. u win.

Trust me, I know how expensive it gets. I'm trying to come up with something similar to a group buy, but involving tuning. I just can't come up with a way where it would be a win win for everyone involved.

You know P Tuning is probably 5 minutes from where you are in Manassas and they don't charge 2K for a Uprev NA tune........

are they good? I dont want some chop shop tuning my $45k bad investment. also, ima toss on a couple other mods before I go full retard and tune. I cant decide if I wanna just save up for a turbo rip off kit, or go cheap and build NA. but the limit NA seems to be about 320 WHP.... and honestly if im going to spend any kind of money thats not nearly enough.

The biggest problem with the 370z is its sales compared to its competitors. These are the sales from 09-12 which makes a grand total of 37,999 in 4 years.

2009 13,118
2010 10,215
2011 7,328
2012 7,338

Here's the mustangs sales from 09-12 nation wide. They had more sales I. Any given year than the 370z has since it has been in production. And actually 2011 saw the least amount of mustangs produced since it first came out in 1964.


2009 66,623
2010 73,716
2011. 70,438
2012 82,995

So I think a safe estimate would be there's about 10,000 (~25%) 370z owners out there who are actually looking to doing any sort of modification. And even estimating that is very generous. So the companies like GTM, Greddy, Fast Intentions, ect have to charge more since it still cost the same to do research and development so they then have to past that cost onto the consumer. Less sold means higher cost per unit. A lot of large companies look at the 370z customers and cut them as a loss because its not an ideal situation for a business. Maybe 10 years from now the companies who do make our parts will be cheaper just due to the fact that they have made their money back from the research and development and/or they found an easier/cheaper way to make the same product. But in my opinion I don't see cheap quality parts for the 370z any time soon. But I agree I don't like spending a lot for parts that would be have the price for any other car but its the price of doing business with the 370z. Got to love it.

1k? Lmfao!!

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you could make a trip to Z1 near Atlanta GA.... just a thought they are good at what they do.

I don't give a FVCK what shops need to pay. No fvcking uprev tune is worth 1,000 DOLLARS. Are you SERIOUS?

If you cant afford to run your shop then close it the fvck down. Dont go around sticking dicks up peoples azzes.

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You are one angry dude........ Anyhow either pay a shop to tune or learn how to tune yourself and if you blow up your engine then its a learning experience for life. Call P tuning or better yet go check the tune sections and read what people have to say about them. Me included.

Wow. He is angry. I had a Rx8 and that car was very expensive to mod. It wasn't worth it unless u just wanted to drop 8 grand on forced induction. Should just buy a ZR1 or GTR and be done with it.

you got hills garage and je imports
i go to Hills Garage for all my tuning

i agree at tune should not cost 1000. bucks thats just a rip off
most i have paid for a tune is 600.00 and that was with the tuner doing extra to get the tune perfect
i had my car tuned at JE IMPORTS,HILLS GARAGE and when i had a mustang at JPC and never paid that much

You have three solid options as I see it and I'll list them out in order of price:

-Moore Automotive: Likely the cheapest option and their tuner is rain man when it comes to messing with cars. They offer all sorts of in-shop discounts on yelp and through their facebook page. They are a really chill group of guys who all have their own "project cars" who will make sure you are happy before you leave. Their tuner has a really nasty Evo that's usually parked out front. Expect to pay around $500-600 for a custom tune. I really love these guys because they let you hang out in the shop and don't mind if you ask questions. Bill (the owner) is a really good guy.

-P-Tuning: Never actually used them for anything other than parts but I have heard good things. IIRC their tune prices were just a bit more than Moore's. They actually specialize in the BR-Z/FR-S platform and have some pretty serious racing chops utilizing older Scion platforms. I've seen of infinities and Z's in and out of there too so you're in good hands.

-Hill's Garage: These guys are the end-all/be-all of Nissan tuning. They were around when Uprev was first created and helped to write some of the custom sw maps they still use today. They even have wacky conditional tunes (temperature, AFR behavior etc). Frank Hill was one of the co-founders of Altered Atmosphere and is a freaking genius when it comes to the VQ motors. They come VERY highly recommended. Assuming you already have the uprev license, it'll run you a little over $1k for the tune. More if you don't. These guys work on tuner cars for the Ravens including that one dude's GT-R that made the news about a year ago for running a 100mph cruise down I95 with a police escort (lol). Hill's is the real deal but you will pay dearly for it.

I should also mention that my prices are based on tuning for a FI car. I'm sure NA is a lot less.

Thanks a lot dude thats exactly what i was hoping for. The first on ur list actually contacted me already. I may be using them for light NA stuff. But for when i go full FI im going to hills

Moore's installed my supercharger just FYI. They specialize in Evos and Subies so they are very familiar with FI builds.

Hmmm i have my subi too....... no...must not think those thoughts....its my RELIABLE winter car.....

I used Ptuning on my NA setup. Happy with the results, they're professional and do good work.

For subarus I highly recommend Agile Auto. Know the owners personally and they are fantastic people that do great work.

Ptuning regular price for uprev license and custom tune is $750, they gave me a discount cuz I always get stuff done there, they're charging me $625. If you like, I can try to talk to them about giving you the same price if we go together as a package.

Just FYI - shops generally don't like it if you throw around discounted prices for services they've performed for you. Maybe P-Tuning is different I dunno.

they have pretty cool and chill people working there, I have brought friends to get work there and they always hook us up

MA-Motorsports is just North of Baltimore about an hour from DC. They have plenty of UpRev experience if anyone is interested.

410-593-7080

Nothing but good experiences with Moore's Auto in Fairfax.

Bill is good people. They installed my exhaust and supercharger.

+1 P-Tuning
 

I have never had P-Tuning do any tuning work but I have always trusted them to do suspension work and track alignments on my 370Z and my G35 before that. The customer service is to be expected (although that may be because they don’t get very excited over doing alignments) but the work has always been on time and on budget.

Also, while other tuning companies have come and gone following the Fast and Furious days P-Tuning remains a viable healthy business (can anyone say Function Tuned...). You know that they are going to be there for the long run. There is something to say about that.

^ all the Moore's comments. Haven't personally taken her to them yet, but planning on getting tuned there soon, and all my import friends go there religiously. Also they have a sweet murdered out new nismo on their homepage banner, yay! :D

That would be my car.

she is GORGEOUS!!!! bravo sir