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Vicster 10-15-2012 06:44 PM

Snow or Ice?
 
Hey everyone!

Quick question of opinion for those of you living/working in and around the DC/MD/VA area.

I have been doing a lot of reading and research lately for a good set of winter wheels. It looks like there is a fine line between getting snow tires such as the LM-60s or a set of ice tires such as the X-Ice's. I know we get our occasional pile of snow outside here in these parts, but in all fairness I probably won't get stuck in it much myself as I would just call out of work. By the next day (usually) the roads are clear of snow and life goes on. I would imagine that a more ice oriented tire may be more appealing with this being the case but I wanted to get other's opinions. So, in this area, snow or ice? Reasons?

I really appreciate any advice/stories anyone has to offer!

Have a safe winter everyone!

eastwest2300 10-15-2012 06:55 PM

If it snows or theres on ice on the road, the Z stays parked, I wouldnt chance it. Thats just me.

chieuxuan 10-15-2012 06:56 PM

I haven't driven snow yet so I can't say but my guess is, this car performs better than my 300ZTT in the rain so I can say I don't really need snow tires if it's no more than 2 inches of snow

m4a1mustang 10-15-2012 07:00 PM

A performance snow tire is best this area, IMO. You're going to spend more time driving on cold dry pavement than you are on snow/ice.

LM60 is still going to perform well on ice but should be a better choice for 90% of your winter driving which will be on cold but dry asphalt. So that would be my choice.

FWIW, I use Dunlop Wintersport M3s on my 5.0 and they've been great. I live in NOVA.

m4a1mustang 10-15-2012 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chieuxuan (Post 1963375)
I haven't driven snow yet so I can't say but my guess is, this car performs better than my 300ZTT in the rain so I can say I don't really need snow tires if it's no more than 2 inches of snow

Don't even try to drive in the snow with summer tires... Unsafe.

Vicster 10-15-2012 07:01 PM

East - yeah man, I would love to but it's my daily for now. That may change some day though but I figured I might be safe rather than sorry.

Chieuxuan - Yeah I have not either but I know it handles nicely in the rain and better than my old SC300 did. I also know that the SC was kinda wild in a small layer of snow too and I wouldn't want to experience that in the Z. Thing is, like I said, I can't see myself getting into much snow, but ice just happens and can't be prevented until after the sun is up.

cossie1600 10-15-2012 07:01 PM

In MD, I would opt for the X Ice for better ride and better wear

Vicster 10-15-2012 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1963379)
A performance snow tire is best this area, IMO. You're going to spend more time driving on cold dry pavement than you are on snow/ice.

LM60 is still going to perform well on ice but should be a better choice for 90% of your winter driving which will be on cold but dry asphalt. So that would be my choice.

FWIW, I use Dunlop Wintersport M3s on my 5.0 and they've been great. I live in NOVA.

Great input! TY

Thank you everybody, keep em coming! It's interesting to see everyone's opinions in the area and their reasoning. It will definitely help with my purchase!

b1adesofcha0s 10-15-2012 07:06 PM

I think you'll be fine either way. As long as you have either one, I think how you drive will make more of a difference. Just remember to drive very slow and steady. Ice is usually more of an issue on small local roads, so it depends how active they are with salting in your neighborhood and on your commute. They usually do a pretty good job with it on the major highways.

Hard to gauge with the last 2 winters though. Last year was like nothing and the one before was filled with epic blizzards. Who knows what we will get this winter.

Vicster 10-15-2012 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1963386)
I think you'll be fine either way. As long as you have either one, I think how you drive will make more of a difference. Just remember to drive very slow and steady. Ice is usually more of an issue on small local roads, so it depends how active they are with salting in your neighborhood and on your commute. They usually do a pretty good job with it on the major highways.

Hard to gauge with the last 2 winters though. Last year was like nothing and the one before was filled with epic blizzards. Who knows what we will get this winter.

I completely agree with everything you said here. I feel like a lot has to do with how you drive, but getting something is an absolutely necessity (hence my asking).

LOL @ "Epic blizzards" - so true...

Thanks for the input man!

b1adesofcha0s 10-15-2012 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicster (Post 1963388)
I completely agree with everything you said here. I feel like a lot has to do with how you drive, but getting something is an absolutely necessity (hence my asking).

LOL @ "Epic blizzards" - so true...

Thanks for the input man!

No problem dude. I'm pretty much in the same situation as you. I live in the area and DD my Z. I drove the Z on my Continental DWS all seasons the one day it snowed here last winter and had no issues. As long as you drive slowly and of course leave VDC on you should be fine. Of course I bought my tires more to maximize performance in the dry weather rather than be safe in the winter (wider and lower profile than stock), but they still worked ok. Will have to wait and see how they do in heavier snow.

eastwest2300 10-15-2012 09:07 PM

I'll be driving the S2000 in the snow and ice, if it should occur...:tup:

eastwest2300 10-15-2012 09:08 PM

I couldnt imagine trying to drive the Z in that kinda weather, I would definitely say slow & steady, and if you happen to lose control, pull the ebrake.

b1adesofcha0s 10-15-2012 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 1963618)
I couldnt imagine trying to drive the Z in that kinda weather, I would definitely say slow & steady, and if you happen to lose control, pull the ebrake.

I don't know why you think the s2k will be much better than the Z in the snow :icon17:

cossie1600 10-15-2012 09:25 PM

That's the worst idea, so you prefer to back into things instead of hitting it with your front bumper?

eastwest2300 10-15-2012 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1963644)
I don't know why you think the s2k will be much better than the Z in the snow :icon17:

Cuz its only a 4 cylinder..:bowrofl::bowrofl:

m4a1mustang 10-15-2012 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 1963691)
Cuz its only a 4 cylinder..:bowrofl::bowrofl:

That doesn't mean anything. S2K w/ summer tires will suck just as much as the Z with summer rubber in the snow!

eastwest2300 10-15-2012 09:43 PM

I'd feel much more confident in the S2000 than a 370Z.. just saying.

m4a1mustang 10-15-2012 09:44 PM

I'd feel more confident in the 370Z because there's more stuff around me to help out in a crash. :bowrofl:

eastwest2300 10-15-2012 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1963705)
I'd feel more confident in the 370Z because there's more stuff around me to help out in a crash. :bowrofl:

:bowrofl::bowrofl:Thats a pretty bad crash if you're crashing like that...

b1adesofcha0s 10-15-2012 09:47 PM

And an actual roof :icon17:

b1adesofcha0s 10-15-2012 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 1963712)
:bowrofl::bowrofl:Thats a pretty bad crash if you're crashing like that...

We'll it's not just yourself you have to worry about, its other cars losing control on the road too. I'd feel much more safe in a Z than an s2k. HP doesn't make much difference if you're driving slow like you should be.

eastwest2300 10-15-2012 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1963714)
And an actual roof :icon17:

Still goes back to the whole, you were going way too fast to be crashing like that...just saying.:roflpuke2:

eastwest2300 10-15-2012 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1963719)
We'll it's not just yourself you have to worry about, its other cars losing control on the road too. I'd feel much more safe in a Z than an s2k. HP doesn't make much difference if you're driving slow like you should be.

Thats right, you should be going slow as sh1t in the snow.

m4a1mustang 10-15-2012 09:53 PM

Yup... some ******* slides through a intersection into your door... I'd rather be in the Z. Higher belt line, bigger cabin, and side airbags. You're toast in the s2k!

b1adesofcha0s 10-15-2012 09:58 PM

I've seen people do some stupid azz sh1t driving in the snow and I'm more worried about their driving affecting my car than I am about my own driving.

b1adesofcha0s 10-15-2012 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 1963720)
Still goes back to the whole, you were going way too fast to be crashing like that...just saying.:roflpuke2:

You're assuming that the crash is your fault. That's not always the case and you can't control other drivers.

eastwest2300 10-15-2012 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1963737)
Yup... some ******* slides through a intersection into your door... I'd rather be in the Z. Higher belt line, bigger cabin, and side airbags. You're toast in the s2k!

Good points!:tup:

eastwest2300 10-15-2012 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1963756)
You're assuming that the crash is your fault. That's not always the case and you can't control other drivers.

You're right blades.

b1adesofcha0s 10-15-2012 10:05 PM

Gotta think about all these things if you want to be safe on the road. Make sure whatever car you drive in the winter has the proper tires. This is more of a safety thing than performance so I would get in that ASAP if you haven't already. I just put mine on today.

eastwest2300 10-15-2012 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1963771)
Gotta think about all these things if you want to be safe on the road. Make sure whatever car you drive in the winter has the proper tires. This is more of a safety thing than performance so I would get in that ASAP if you haven't already. I just put mine on today.

I think the tires on my Honda are all weather tires, im pretty sure.

b1adesofcha0s 10-15-2012 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 1963803)
I think the tires on my Honda are all weather tires, im pretty sure.

You should make that 100% sure before it gets colder outside.

eastwest2300 10-15-2012 10:39 PM

I'll check tomorrow. Thanks man!

cossie1600 10-15-2012 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1963771)
Gotta think about all these things if you want to be safe on the road. Make sure whatever car you drive in the winter has the proper tires. This is more of a safety thing than performance so I would get in that ASAP if you haven't already. I just put mine on today.

It's too early no? It's only middle of October!

b1adesofcha0s 10-16-2012 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1963905)
It's too early no? It's only middle of October!

Well my summer tires were pretty much done and one of them was leaking, so I didn't really have much choice. I wanted to wait another month, but no luck there :(

m4a1mustang 10-16-2012 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1963905)
It's too early no? It's only middle of October!

I make the switch to winters usually mid-late November. Might roll into December depending on how the weather goes.

ChrisSlicks 10-16-2012 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1963646)
That's the worst idea, so you prefer to back into things instead of hitting it with your front bumper?

If the ABS is freaking out due to packed snow/ice then it is actually a really good idea [to pull the e-brake]. Quickest stop in those conditions is with wheels locked, so provided your are going straight and the speed is low it is highly effective. It has saved my *** from a certain crash more than once, especially in downhill when the rear gets light.

eastwest2300 10-16-2012 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 1964261)
If the ABS is freaking out due to packed snow/ice then it is actually a really good idea [to pull the e-brake]. Quickest stop in those conditions is with wheels locked, so provided your are going straight and the speed is low it is highly effective. It has saved my *** from a certain crash more than once, especially in downhill when the rear gets light.

I know it, thats why I said it.. he obviously has never tried it..:roflpuke2::roflpuke2:

Not sucha bad idea after all, eh?

2theextreme 10-16-2012 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 1963712)
:bowrofl::bowrofl:Thats a pretty bad crash if you're crashing like that...

:yum:


http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...ccident017.jpg

eastwest2300 10-16-2012 10:15 AM

You know the most important difference with this picture and the top of this thread?? There's no SNOW or ICE on the ground!!!:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:


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