Sounds good to me. I'm probably going to order new brake pads/fluid right after graduation so I should be good to go by the time this cruise happens.

Dont forget SS Lines. :tup:

Do they have those for the base brakes? BRB gonna go check Z1's website.

I don't think they would be that different, they come out of the same spot on the body, and mount in the same location on the hub. :confused: But yeah, nothing a quick phone call can't solve.

omg is it me or are the chinese merchants getting worse? I ordered some spring loaded hinges ($4 for both) March 31, they tell me dilivery by April 6-11. They sent me and email april 1 say'n they shipped my items... Now, almost 2 weeks later, I email them and ask where my shiznit is and they email me back with April 25-May 12 (the 12th is a saterday...and almost 6 weeks after I ordered them) Do you think that Google Translate can convert "DAMN YOU AND YOUR CHEAP PRICES!<Waves Fist Angrily>" into kanji? I would like to speak to them so they realy can feel where I am coming from.

Yeah they do, they're just $44 more for the base brakes. So with SS brake lines, Hawk HPS bads, and ATE Super blue fluid my brake upgrade comes up to a total of $300 + shipping. An Akebono upgrade kit would cost me at least $1600 new or around $1000-1200 used. I think I'll stick with my base brakes and use the money I save for tires :p

The good thing is if you stick with the SS lines and good fluid. When you do get to upgrade to akebono's, those will be parts you don't have to get new. Which should drop the cost of your upgrade. :tup:

But I do think though upgraded brakes will do more for you than upgraded tires.

If I do this, I will probably not upgrade to the akebono's later. I want to get summer tires on my car when I go tracking. I feel like it wouldn't be as fun on my current all seasons. If I were to track with my all seasons they would need replacing by the time fall/winter comes around so I'd have to buy more all seasons. The only problem I face is that I don't have any place to store an extra set of tires :p

I understand that. But can the base brakes hold up to tracking? Even with good pads/fluid/lines... can the calipers themselves stop the car under those conditions? :ugh2:

I have been told they can. Any one else here care to verify?

:iagree: :confused:

I PM'd my usual sources of car info (Steve, Dan, and Rob) to see what they say :icon17:

:bowrofl: Call Z1 and ask them... Or Forged?

Didn't think of that, I'm just so used to asking Steve/Dan/Rob :p

I'll wait to hear back with them and then contact Z1 if I have any more questions.

:tup:

I would not be comfortable using the base brakes on track for an extended period. Not in a 3,200+ lb car.

...what is your definition of "extended period" ?

A full HPDE session.

How long is an HPDE session compared to a hyperdrive?

Hyperdrive is like one full HPDE session but chances are you'll be going a little slower.

Now if you take it easy under braking you might be OK. I know I would overheat the hell out of the brakes, though. You can cook the base ones pretty easily on the street if you drive hard enough (like a fast Dragon run... ask Red_Zed).

Looks like I might have to start saving for a bbk upgrade. I'll probably try to find a used set of akebono brakes in the summer. If anyone here is planning on selling their akebono's, I call first dibs :p

Does it have to pass through customs or something? Also, Kanji = Japanese, not Chinese.

I think it might be best if I hold off on tracking my car till next spring. I should have a house by then which will make everythomg a lot easier. I can get an oil cooler and look for a used akebono kit in the summer then try out a hyperdrive if I can get them both. Otherwise I can just do AutoX for some driving fun.

I know I will be, for all 30 minutes. Just getting feet wet, not going to even attempt to work the brakes enough to even wear them down any. I might be going so slow they will kick me off the track after about 15 minutes. :tup:

Running an oil cooler? You'll definitely need one.

Just as a reference my first track event was a Hyperdrive at Summit Point. I remember when we rolled out for the first lap I was at the back of the entire group as I was almost late to the grid! When we got underway on the straight headed toward turn one which was a hard right (almost a hairpin) I remember I didn't really go too fast and didn't brake all that hard, so the instructor asked if I was really braking hard. I told him no, He told me the next time we came down the straight to haul a$$ and not let off the gas until he told me to, and then when he told me to he said I should step on the brake HARD until he told me to release and turn in. Needless to say this was my first experience with how well a good set of brakes work because I must've been doing a buck twenty down the straight and it kept getting closer and closer to the turn and then at almost the last second he said, "BRAKE" and I stepped hard onto the brakes. They did exactly what they were supposed to do which was bring the Z down slow enough to the point I could look for the turn in point and try to shoot for the apex. I missed the apex the first time. LOL For that Hyperdrive I was equipped with a 19 row oil cooler, the sport Akebono brakes, upgraded with Hawk HPS+ pads and MOTUL RBF-600 brake fluid. I never had any problems for the entire 25 minutes the Hyperdrive lasted. Temps that day were in the 80s.

Conversely, Daisuke on this forum was with me at Little Talladegha in Alabama for the track session at Z Nationals with his stock Akebono brakes pads and he fried the pads after the first 25 minute session and had to call it. I managed to not suffer any problems for two 25 min sessions with brakes but on the third session I did managed to boil my clutch fluid, which I fixed by replacing also with the MOTUL RBF-600 fluid afterward. Temps that day were 104F on the track.

No he wouldn't like me when I'm angry. I'll bump his bumpa when I'm getting angry :tup: Chris, you must make it to one of those megacruise, tons of fun! We did it last year early fall I believe and it was absolutely delightful! Crew of more than a dozen Zs rolling in harmony through scenic areas with interesting things happening... you get the idea ;)

Where has eastwest been?? hmmmmm.

I had a chinese hood on my car......note the key word is HAD? Such crap....it rubbed my strut tower bar raw! :icon14:

daaaaaamn.:wtf2::wtf2:

You dont need SS lines. Stop spreading propaganda.

:iagree:

Good advice bobo! :tup: :icon17:

And he'll be fine on the track with his base brake calipers. Jesus, you guys are fear mongerers lol. He needs good pads, some fluid, and some decent rubber. Hell his brakes are more brakes than a lot of other cars already have on the track and they do fine...

Coming from the most over-modded car owner that hasnt done anything yet because he keeps handicapping himself 8P

"Well, I'd get on the track, BUT....." *rolls excuse dice.....* "Survey SAYS...........the humidity is a little high today, and my exhaust has a funny smell, which means I'm running rich/lean. Oh, wait, I was supposed to pick one or the other, there..."


:)

Would YOU drive on base calipers at your pace? IDK... I wouldn't want to do it. But then again my work is all about risk management so that's how I think.

:bowrofl: :stirthepot:

He gets so angry when you talk about track stuffs. :roflpuke2:

:bowrofl: :roflpuke2: I don't have handicaps, just no $$ to pay for it. :rofl2:

Yeah I'd go out there. There's no way Shahid would put those brakes at their limit his first weekend out, nor would I or anyone else likely.