Now then, for the main culprit of my troubles...the charcoal canister.

Now I do not believe the JDM models HAVE this thing, so maybe that's playing into what's going on here. Also, KEEP IN MIND MY EXHAUST IS DIFFERENT THAN THE STANDARD R1 EXTRA. The secondary pipes (the ones I'm having issues with) have been enlarged by .5 inches to accommodate future forced induction plans. With that said, from what I see, it looks like even the regular version will have issues.

Here is the car as seen at Fontana Nissan when I took Rin in for service:
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/781/63432706.jpg
You can see the exhaust biting into the charcoal canister already. Here's a closer look at what is going on.
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5860/25678845.jpg

These pictures show pretty clearly what happened. The radiated heat from the exhaust pipes melted through a lot of it already, and the holes in the canister tripped the P0456 minor leak CEL code.
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8548/dsc06437un.jpg
http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/9742/dsc06438.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9730/dsc06439jl.jpg
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5633/dsc06440r.jpg

Due to the extreme hazard of driving around with this condition (this IS the fuel system we're dealing with here!), I bought a new canister and replaced it. Since we haven't figured out the whole clearance issue, we had to make do with moving the exhaust downwards to make it all fit and not melt.

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4135/dsc06444o.jpg

The following is a bad angle, it looks like it's touching, but I have about .5 inches of space between the components.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4216/dsc06443u.jpg

Of course now there's black crud on the top of the exhaust piping :crying: it will be unnoticeable when I fix it all, but for now it's pathetic.

Other thoughts:

-As mentioned, I think the USDM models are the only ones that need to be concerned with this. I don't think anybody else has a charcoal canister.

-This interference condition was NOT present during the time of installation. My theory is that the rubber hangars have contracted a bit since install, especially with the very light titanium exhaust that is now hanging from it. Remember, the titanium exhaust is less than half the weight of the stock exhaust. That's quite a bit less force per hangar. The one issue I still have with this would be the exhaust moving about an inch...doesn't seem like there was THAT much play in it, but I can't think of anything else that would cause this to happen.

-The interference was also not noticeable during installation possibly because we pulled down a bit on the exhaust, and stressed the hangars. Given they don't have a spring-like rebound rate, while the car was on the lift it didn't interfere. As time passed, it might have pulled it into the canister.

-The 350Z has similar issues on select exhausts, such as Stillen and GReddy. The solution for the 350Z crowd was to create a relocation bracket for the canister. I'm curious to know if the bracket would work on this. I might have to talk to Josh or Kyle on this one.

-The other alternative is to modify the canister itself. I took possession of the damaged canister I had on Rin since day 1, and I'm thinking if I can file down the affected area, I can eliminate the interference altogether. Thoughts?

-I'm open to any other ideas anybody has.

This isn't the happiest update I've been able to post, and honestly, I haven't driven the car around since I took it back from Fontana. Lots of issues with it right now, so it's best left alone in the garage until I get it fixed.

Any input would be very much appreciated :tup:

ouch!

What about a heat shield or exhaust wrappings?

heat wrap will solve that problem, I used to have them on my yamaha R1 header and mid pipe, anyone has a R1 knows that the undertail exhaust will burn up your butt, after I wrap it, issue solved.

This would help, but I remain worried that since the exhaust is basically PUSHING on the charcoal canister, it won't be a 100% foolproof solution. I still think something needs to be modified...?

Can you bypass the canister or is the US model fuel system built around it?
If you must have it, the best bet would be then to try to move it away from the exhaust instead of modifying the exhaust.

I think we're stuck with it. I'm definitely against modding the exhaust directly. I'm trying to make the body and the misc. parts work around it.

that or i would try to relocate it

Relocation seems like the best bet. That and I'd fabricate a heat shield as well.

Phelan, did you ever find any evidence of that rock from GMR while you were under there? Sorry for going OT.

Make new mounts for the charcoal canister and extend the factory lines? That's probably you're best bet.

You could also maybe cut the "hump" off the melted one and epoxy some flat plastic to seal it and T both lines into the center inlet. Not sure how that would effect emissions or the sensors if any at all.

Back when I used to build custom trucks we used to just dump the charcoal canisters all together. But that was on older vehicles...

yes. it made me cry.

i think this would be the cleanest way to do it. just need to go to the body shop and figure out where i can put it now.

i had already started to cut the inlet off and epoxy / RTV seal some flat plastic, but it wasn't coming out as nice as i wanted it to. plus, i hadn't thought of your point about the sensors, etc. if it's acting as part of the pressure vessel the sensor's calibrated against, i've no idea if it will trip CEL lights all day long.

i guess at this stage, i'm going to lose the car again for at least a week or two while we figure things out.

Well if it isn't aesthetically pleasing, you could just build a aluminum heat shield "box" to hide your handy work. I think it'd be worth a shot to see if it will cure your CEL.

I'm obviously not a professional so don't laugh if this sounds stupid. :p But how about using a longer rubber hangar that is long enough to compensate for the contraction so that it would remain in the same position as when you first installed it. I think this would be the easiest and cheapest way to resolve your issue with the cannister interfering with your exhaust pipe. I think as long as your pipes don't come in contact with your cannister you shouldn't have problems with exhaust heat melting the cannister again.

Aww man, sorry about that. Just think of it as adding character, although there are probably more desirable ways to do so.

:iagree:..i think how you have it right now with 1/2 inch of space is good..just heat wrap that small section of pipe..if you want to be super precautious place a metal shield between.

Interesting. I do not have this issue, but I think Intense relocated the canister during install for me, thinking back to our conversation.

Those guys are pretty good.

I'm wondering whether the bracket holding it in place can be reduced in height (through removing material) and the entire assembly raised? GM uses a decent insulated foil material around its newer model starter motors that does an excellent job of keeping the exhaust manifold from frying the electrical connections to the starter.

Hmm, so was there actual interference, or was it too close for comfort?

PM.

fill the exhaust hangers with window weld. i did this before when i had a problem with my sentra's exhaust moving around too much under load. OR kartboy makes a poly hanger i believe, they even come in pink!

sooo....another fun trip to the gents at amplified motorsport. thank you very much sirs.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/936...0324133009.jpg

oh, and my exhaust isn't rattling anymore :tup: it's still really low though...but maybe we have a way forward now!

better pics later. it's raining like crazy today!

^ That was quick. :eek: Didn't you just sell your wheels? Waiting for pics. :pics:

you copy cat :icon18:

j/k nice wheels! in for some full body pix.

seems like lou is getting his sets in first

I think that's Lou's last set. It's time for some photo shoot meet?

def, but im leaving to N. cal this wed so its going to have to be beginning of january if everyone is free. this month has been so busy and the weather sucks

This month is probalby not the best month. Everyone will probably be busy with the holidays. The next few months will be fine.

hey, we should do an amuse Z photo shoot sometimes, since I know there are 3 of us here in socal, and we should do it before Andrew take his off.

let me know before it comes apart and in jack stands

when the weather clears in early january sound good?

I'm down

Nice Phelan!

Hey all,

So I didn't bring my own camera to our NYE dim sum meet, but we had a few really good photographers out there. I'm gonna 'borrow' a few of these shots and update the car. The only change between now and before is...well, pretty obvious. The TE37SLs I think complete the exterior.

Well...once I fix my exhaust, at least :rofl2: and a few dings, dents, and scrapes I've taken since I've driven the car a bit more regularly as of late.

Thanks to christian, drew, paul, and waizzzz for the shots! Hope everybody doesn't mind I borrow them for the journal purposes. (I think I asked all of you?)

See? Here's the photographers (sans drew, who took the shot haha)
http://www.the370z.com/members/xdesl...6-dsc00322.jpg

And now...I guess some pics of the car?

from drew (xdeslitx):
http://www.the370z.com/members/xdesl...7-dsc00326.jpg
http://www.the370z.com/members/xdesl...2-dsc00342.jpg

from waizzz:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1CCKLjMu2T...0/IMG_0989.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1CCKLjMu2T...0/IMG_0996.JPG
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1CCKLjMu2T...0/IMG_1036.JPG

from paul (zero):
http://www.the370z.com/members/zero-...19-112-web.jpg
http://www.the370z.com/members/zero-...22-092-web.jpg
(kevin's black amuse kit also looks sick irl, if you haven't noticed already :tup:)

from chris (christian370z):
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...68_1390pro.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...15_1437pro.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...44_1366pro.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...69_1391pro.jpg

Your exhaust looks messed up, something happen? :stirthepot:

:gtfo2: matt

Nice pics! :)

nice pics man

wheels look 100000000000 times better.

So they are 0.1% better? :p

SL goes well with the red. :tup: